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TI New ARM7 micro - Darren - Apr 14 21:36:00 2005
All,
I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
funny enough, there free tools for this also
support 32k of code...
Darren Moore
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Re: TI New ARM7 micro - Nigel Johnson - Apr 14 21:52:00 2005
I also went to a seminar on the ARM this week. It was put on by the
local IEEE chapter. They had a guy from Cambridge there who gave a
pretty good picture of where they are now. TI wouldn't say this, but the
total # of ARM-licensed mcus sold last year was over a billion!
He made a big thing out of the fact that with an ARM core, and the
freely-available tools for it, big companies like Ford are switching for
the commonality of the tool chain and saving lots of money in
duplication of effort. They also keep a core of engineers that can be
moved from project to project without retraining on the tools. Maybe
this is what Freescale are hoping for with CodeWarrior?
Now, with Richard's release of ICC V7 for ARM (has vernal equinox gone
already? I usually have a party - must have been too busy with my
thesis) you can have your cake and eat it too!
I think the 32k is a psychological or marketing number, just like "price
points". I would expect that you can get a lot more done with 32 bit
machine than in a 16!
However, for small developers who want to get the best horsepower and
match the mcu to the job, the other alternatives are still appealing.
cheers,
Nigel
Darren wrote: >All,
>
>I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
>they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
>funny enough, there free tools for this also
>support 32k of code...
>
>Darren Moore >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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local IEEE chapter. They had a guy from Cambridge there who gave a
pretty good picture of where they are now. TI wouldn't say this, but the
total # of ARM-licensed mcus sold last year was over a billion!
He made a big thing out of the fact that with an ARM core, and the
freely-available tools for it, big companies like Ford are switching for
the commonality of the tool chain and saving lots of money in
duplication of effort. They also keep a core of engineers that can be
moved from project to project without retraining on the tools. Maybe
this is what Freescale are hoping for with CodeWarrior?
Now, with Richard's release of ICC V7 for ARM (has vernal equinox gone
already? I usually have a party - must have been too busy with my
thesis) you can have your cake and eat it too!
I think the 32k is a psychological or marketing number, just like "price
points". I would expect that you can get a lot more done with 32 bit
machine than in a 16!
However, for small developers who want to get the best horsepower and
match the mcu to the job, the other alternatives are still appealing.
cheers,
Nigel
Darren wrote: >All,
>
>I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
>they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
>funny enough, there free tools for this also
>support 32k of code...
>
>Darren Moore >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
--
Nigel Johnson
MCSE, MIEEE
VE3ID/G4AJQ
http://nigel.homelinux.net
If time travel ever will be possible, it already is. Ask me again yesterday
This e-mail is not and cannot, by its nature, be confidential. En route from me to you, it will pass across the public Internet, easily readable by any number of system administrators along the way. If you have received this message by mistake, it would be ridiculous for me to tell you not to read it or copy to anybody else, because, let’s face it, if it’s a message revealing confidential information or that could embarrass me intensely, that’s precisely what you’ll do. Who wouldn’t?
Likewise, it is superfluous for me to claim copyright in the contents, because I own that anyway, even if you print out a hard copy or disseminate this message all over the known Universe. I don’t know why so many corporate mail servers feel impelled to attach a disclaimer to the bottom of every e-mail message saying otherwise. If you don’t either, why not e-mail your corporate lawyers and system administrators and ask them why they insist on contributing so much to the waste of bandwidth.
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Re: TI New ARM7 micro - Richard - Apr 15 1:26:00 2005
But their free tools is from IAR, not from TI. We know how to handle other
3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing. May be TI or
other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at some point
which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and that the full
package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so it *may* happen.
THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
>All,
>
>I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
>they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
>funny enough, there free tools for this also
>support 32k of code...
>
>Darren Moore
// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please
use richard at imagecraft.com)
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3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing. May be TI or
other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at some point
which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and that the full
package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so it *may* happen.
THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
>All,
>
>I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
>they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
>funny enough, there free tools for this also
>support 32k of code...
>
>Darren Moore
// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please
use richard at imagecraft.com)
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RE: TI New ARM7 micro - Darren - Apr 15 1:26:00 2005
They also said, there tools will be from in house
very soon, beta on there site, so they say. This
was for the 430, not sure about the 470. Same IDE
as there dsp tools.
Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 68HC12@68HC... [mailto:68HC12@68HC...]
> On Behalf Of Richard >
> But their free tools is from IAR, not from TI. We know how to
> handle other
> 3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing.
> May be TI or
> other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at
> some point
> which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
> limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and
> that the full
> package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so
> it *may* happen.
>
> THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
> Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
>
> At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
> >they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
> >funny enough, there free tools for this also
> >support 32k of code...
> >
> >Darren Moore
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very soon, beta on there site, so they say. This
was for the 430, not sure about the 470. Same IDE
as there dsp tools.
Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 68HC12@68HC... [mailto:68HC12@68HC...]
> On Behalf Of Richard >
> But their free tools is from IAR, not from TI. We know how to
> handle other
> 3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing.
> May be TI or
> other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at
> some point
> which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
> limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and
> that the full
> package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so
> it *may* happen.
>
> THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
> Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
>
> At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
> >they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
> >funny enough, there free tools for this also
> >support 32k of code...
> >
> >Darren Moore
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RE: TI New ARM7 micro - Richard - Apr 15 2:03:00 2005
Yes, Code Composer with Eclipse IDE and for whatever their own compiler.
Someone is empire building over there for sure since there are already FIVE
commercial C compiler plus MSPGCC. By all accounts, the compiler (will)
cost $495, is nothing to write home about, although to its defense, it's
only in BETA.
At 10:26 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
>They also said, there tools will be from in house
>very soon, beta on there site, so they say. This
>was for the 430, not sure about the 470. Same IDE
>as there dsp tools.
>
>Darren >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 68HC12@68HC... [mailto:68HC12@68HC...]
> > On Behalf Of Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > But their free tools is from IAR, not from TI. We know how to
> > handle other
> > 3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing.
> > May be TI or
> > other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at
> > some point
> > which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
> > limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and
> > that the full
> > package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so
> > it *may* happen.
> >
> > THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
> > Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
> >
> > At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
> > >All,
> > >
> > >I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
> > >they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
> > >funny enough, there free tools for this also
> > >support 32k of code...
> > >
> > >Darren Moore
> >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please
use richard at imagecraft.com)
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Someone is empire building over there for sure since there are already FIVE
commercial C compiler plus MSPGCC. By all accounts, the compiler (will)
cost $495, is nothing to write home about, although to its defense, it's
only in BETA.
At 10:26 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
>They also said, there tools will be from in house
>very soon, beta on there site, so they say. This
>was for the 430, not sure about the 470. Same IDE
>as there dsp tools.
>
>Darren >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 68HC12@68HC... [mailto:68HC12@68HC...]
> > On Behalf Of Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > But their free tools is from IAR, not from TI. We know how to
> > handle other
> > 3rd party vendors because at least we have an equal footing.
> > May be TI or
> > other companies would even switch to our new ARM compiler at
> > some point
> > which is fully functional for 45 days and then becomes 10K code size
> > limited WITHOUT having users registering or anything, and
> > that the full
> > package is still $199 install ~$3500. TI doesn't own IAR, so
> > it *may* happen.
> >
> > THAT is the main difference between TI promoting IAR's free tools and
> > Freescale giving out Metrowerks' free tools.
> >
> > At 06:36 PM 4/14/2005, you wrote:
> > >All,
> > >
> > >I went to a TI seminar yesterday for the 430,
> > >they also talked about there new 470 arm7 device,
> > >funny enough, there free tools for this also
> > >support 32k of code...
> > >
> > >Darren Moore
> >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please
use richard at imagecraft.com)
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Re: TI New ARM7 micro - Eric Engler - Apr 17 11:14:00 2005
>TI doesn't own IAR, so it *may* happen.
I had the impression that TI might be getting "referral fees", or
"kickbacks" from IAR. Since IAR makes a huge profit from each sale, it
is strongly in their interest to have this distribution deal with TI.
It's only common sense to think that TI would also be profitting from
this deal in some way.
Eric
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