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Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Oliver Betz - Sep 26 15:10:00 2005
Hi All,
http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP interfaces,
four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
cheaper S12X derivatives now.
Oliver
--
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Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
81475 Muenchen
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http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP interfaces,
four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
cheaper S12X derivatives now.
Oliver
--
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Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
81475 Muenchen
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Mark Butcher - Sep 26 15:25:00 2005
Hi Oliver
I use both HCS12 and LPC types - LPC2106 (128k FLASH and 64 KRAM).
They are very small, low power and quite fast.
There will be a version with 10/100 LAN, USB and CAN2.0B in Q1 2006.
Regards
Mark Butcher
www.mjbc.ch --- In 68HC12@68HC..., "Oliver Betz" <list_ob@g...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
>
> two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP
interfaces,
> four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
>
> 8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
>
> Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
> cheaper S12X derivatives now.
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz
> Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
> 81475 Muenchen
(You need to be a member of 68hc12 -- send a blank email to 68hc12-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
I use both HCS12 and LPC types - LPC2106 (128k FLASH and 64 KRAM).
They are very small, low power and quite fast.
There will be a version with 10/100 LAN, USB and CAN2.0B in Q1 2006.
Regards
Mark Butcher
www.mjbc.ch --- In 68HC12@68HC..., "Oliver Betz" <list_ob@g...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
>
> two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP
interfaces,
> four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
>
> 8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
>
> Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
> cheaper S12X derivatives now.
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz
> Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
> 81475 Muenchen
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Frank - Sep 27 2:02:00 2005
Hi,
Well, its nice to know we are all aware of the multitude of alternative
routes out there. The price might be attractive, but to spend lots of money
to re-tool might have me think twice....
However all these alternatives might just be a good for pricing and customer
service.....Now it might be interresting if the chip supplier bundle the
tool set for free...
FREEEEEEEEEE... .tools == more customers.
Freescale are you listning...secure your market by lowering the price of
your development tools and the customers will follow. In the end it might
just be the way to stay ahead of the competition. Frank ----- Original Message -----
From: "Oliver Betz" <list_ob@list...>
To: <68HC12@68HC...>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: [68HC12] Cheap ARM7 LPC210x > Hi All,
>
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
>
> two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP interfaces,
> four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
>
> 8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
>
> Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
> cheaper S12X derivatives now.
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz
> Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
> 81475 Muenchen > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Well, its nice to know we are all aware of the multitude of alternative
routes out there. The price might be attractive, but to spend lots of money
to re-tool might have me think twice....
However all these alternatives might just be a good for pricing and customer
service.....Now it might be interresting if the chip supplier bundle the
tool set for free...
FREEEEEEEEEE... .tools == more customers.
Freescale are you listning...secure your market by lowering the price of
your development tools and the customers will follow. In the end it might
just be the way to stay ahead of the competition. Frank ----- Original Message -----
From: "Oliver Betz" <list_ob@list...>
To: <68HC12@68HC...>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: [68HC12] Cheap ARM7 LPC210x > Hi All,
>
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/news/lpc210x/
>
> two UARTs, two 400 kbps I2C-bus interfaces, two SPI/SSP interfaces,
> four timers with PWM and a 10-bit ADC, 70MHz zero-wait-state flash.
>
> 8KB flash, 2KB RAM, 1,47USD@10000 to 32KB flash, 8KB RAM $2.20.
>
> Although I don't want to switch to ARM, it would be nice to see
> cheaper S12X derivatives now.
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz
> Geisenbrunner Strasse 84
> 81475 Muenchen > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - John-Mark Gurney - Sep 27 2:28:00 2005
Frank wrote this message on Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 23:02 -0700:
> However all these alternatives might just be a good for pricing and customer
> service.....Now it might be interresting if the chip supplier bundle the
> tool set for free...
> FREEEEEEEEEE... .tools == more customers.
>
> Freescale are you listning...secure your market by lowering the price of
> your development tools and the customers will follow. In the end it might
> just be the way to stay ahead of the competition.
Just a little support for Freescale. When I was looking for a chip
with onboard ethernet phy, I managed to find the 9S12NE64, and I was
very happy to find that a small demo board only cost $75 (though
shipping was an arm and a leg at $18 iirc)... When most devel kits
are in the $300+, $75 is a nice price, and made it a no brainer for
me to choose the chip...
As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
--
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> However all these alternatives might just be a good for pricing and customer
> service.....Now it might be interresting if the chip supplier bundle the
> tool set for free...
> FREEEEEEEEEE... .tools == more customers.
>
> Freescale are you listning...secure your market by lowering the price of
> your development tools and the customers will follow. In the end it might
> just be the way to stay ahead of the competition.
Just a little support for Freescale. When I was looking for a chip
with onboard ethernet phy, I managed to find the 9S12NE64, and I was
very happy to find that a small demo board only cost $75 (though
shipping was an arm and a leg at $18 iirc)... When most devel kits
are in the $300+, $75 is a nice price, and made it a no brainer for
me to choose the chip...
As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
--
John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579
"All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
______________________________
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Oliver Betz - Sep 27 3:54:00 2005
John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@gurn...> wrote:
[...]
> As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
> MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
^^^^
who doesn't release a compiler for it?
Did you ask Cosmic?
I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
> a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
> flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
Oliver
--
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[...]
> As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
> MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
^^^^
who doesn't release a compiler for it?
Did you ask Cosmic?
I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
> a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
> flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
Oliver
--
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - microcodefun - Sep 27 9:01:00 2005
Hi Oliver,
If you're using Windows, then you can download the Syn Code Editor for
HC12 from my website. It's free and packaged together with GNU GCC.
Just run the installer and everything is configured.
One of the examples demonstrates how to generate an output format
that allows source level debugging using the NoICE debugger. So if
you're using that, then all BDM hardware supported by NoICE can be
used.
-Frank
----
Feaser LLC
http://www.feaser.com - HCS12 Resources and Software Drivers
----
> Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz, Muenchen
______________________________
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If you're using Windows, then you can download the Syn Code Editor for
HC12 from my website. It's free and packaged together with GNU GCC.
Just run the installer and everything is configured.
One of the examples demonstrates how to generate an output format
that allows source level debugging using the NoICE debugger. So if
you're using that, then all BDM hardware supported by NoICE can be
used.
-Frank
----
Feaser LLC
http://www.feaser.com - HCS12 Resources and Software Drivers
----
> Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
>
> Oliver
> --
> Oliver Betz, Muenchen
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Re: Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Oliver Betz - Sep 27 10:59:00 2005
"microcodefun" <voorburg@voor...> wrote:
> If you're using Windows, then you can download the Syn Code Editor for
> HC12 from my website. It's free and packaged together with GNU GCC.
> Just run the installer and everything is configured.
>
> One of the examples demonstrates how to generate an output format
> that allows source level debugging using the NoICE debugger. So if
thanks, but I am happy with the MED editor and the iSYSTEM iC3000
debugger (and the Cosmic compiler).
The OP wrote about "MacOSX laptop" so your suggestion doesn't seem to
be applicable.
Oliver
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> If you're using Windows, then you can download the Syn Code Editor for
> HC12 from my website. It's free and packaged together with GNU GCC.
> Just run the installer and everything is configured.
>
> One of the examples demonstrates how to generate an output format
> that allows source level debugging using the NoICE debugger. So if
thanks, but I am happy with the MED editor and the iSYSTEM iC3000
debugger (and the Cosmic compiler).
The OP wrote about "MacOSX laptop" so your suggestion doesn't seem to
be applicable.
Oliver
--
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RE: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Liechty Ronald-RAT109 - Sep 27 12:23:00 2005
From: 68HC12@68HC... [mailto:68HC12@68HC...] On Behalf
Of Frank
> However all these alternatives might just be a good for pricing and
> customer service.....Now it might be interresting if the chip supplier
> bundle the tool set for free...
> FREEEEEEEEEE... .tools == more customers.
> Freescale are you listning...secure your market by lowering the price
> of your development tools and the customers will follow. In the end it
> might just be the way to stay ahead of the competition.
We do offer the special edition for Free
I feel that CodeWarrior should be competitive with 3rd party tools but
should not squash non Freescale tools. Innovation, quality and customer
satisfaction is part of free enterprise. In other words it is better
for you and for Freescale if you use the tool that enables you to be
most productive.
Ron
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Ombudsman Freescale Developer Technology
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - John-Mark Gurney - Sep 27 13:33:00 2005
Oliver Betz wrote this message on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:54 +0200:
> John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@gurn...> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
> > MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
> ^^^^
> who doesn't release a compiler for it?
Freescale or Metroworks... i.e. a MacOSX version of the Codewarrior
Compiler they have freely available for Windows (up to 32k code)...
> Did you ask Cosmic?
No I haven't... Most companies that don't post prices aren't geared
for small home hobbiest/developers... If I have to ask, I probably
can't/don't want to pay for it...
hmmm.. well a) their free eval is limited to 2k, and their download
page doesn't list the platform (for HC12), but their product page lists
only Windows under IDE... Though it appears that they support Linux...
I like being able to use gcc on both platforms that I use the most,
MacOSX and FreeBSD, and not have to worry about some vendor deciding
that a platform isn't profitable enough so they are cutting support,
or constantly having to pay for upgrades to get bugs fixed...
> I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
ummm... do you have some special version of Wine that runs on PowerPC??
> > a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
> > flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
>
> Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
I'm not sure exactly... I do somewhat miss being able to trace and
breakpoint, but I've written a Python script to interface with the
serial debugger (AN2548) which lets me do the flashing, and do some
basic tracing... I haven't tried to write an interface to the DGB,
but I would imagine that'd make tracing a bit easier...
So far my project hasn't had much need for gdb yet, so I haven't looked
at BDM support yet...
I've been using the HC12 for a few months, so I'm not at all familar
with all the vendors and tools that are available...
--
John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579
"All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
(You need to be a member of 68hc12 -- send a blank email to 68hc12-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
> John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@gurn...> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
> > MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
> ^^^^
> who doesn't release a compiler for it?
Freescale or Metroworks... i.e. a MacOSX version of the Codewarrior
Compiler they have freely available for Windows (up to 32k code)...
> Did you ask Cosmic?
No I haven't... Most companies that don't post prices aren't geared
for small home hobbiest/developers... If I have to ask, I probably
can't/don't want to pay for it...
hmmm.. well a) their free eval is limited to 2k, and their download
page doesn't list the platform (for HC12), but their product page lists
only Windows under IDE... Though it appears that they support Linux...
I like being able to use gcc on both platforms that I use the most,
MacOSX and FreeBSD, and not have to worry about some vendor deciding
that a platform isn't profitable enough so they are cutting support,
or constantly having to pay for upgrades to get bugs fixed...
> I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
ummm... do you have some special version of Wine that runs on PowerPC??
> > a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
> > flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
>
> Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
I'm not sure exactly... I do somewhat miss being able to trace and
breakpoint, but I've written a Python script to interface with the
serial debugger (AN2548) which lets me do the flashing, and do some
basic tracing... I haven't tried to write an interface to the DGB,
but I would imagine that'd make tracing a bit easier...
So far my project hasn't had much need for gdb yet, so I haven't looked
at BDM support yet...
I've been using the HC12 for a few months, so I'm not at all familar
with all the vendors and tools that are available...
--
John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579
"All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Author Unknown - Sep 27 14:49:00 2005
Guys,
Dont forget that Tom Burrell has done a port for tBDMl for GDB, the
downlaods can be found here
http://freegeeks.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=16#cat
Jim
www.freegeeks.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John-Mark Gurney" <gurney_j@gurn...>
> To: <68HC12@68HC...>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [68HC12] Cheap ARM7 LPC210x >> Oliver Betz wrote this message on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:54 +0200:
>>> John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@gurn...> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> > As for the compiler, I ended up just using gcc since I mostly use a
>>> > MacOSX laptop, and they just don't release the compiler for it.. With
>>> ^^^^
>>> who doesn't release a compiler for it?
>>
>> Freescale or Metroworks... i.e. a MacOSX version of the Codewarrior
>> Compiler they have freely available for Windows (up to 32k code)...
>>
>>> Did you ask Cosmic?
>>
>> No I haven't... Most companies that don't post prices aren't geared
>> for small home hobbiest/developers... If I have to ask, I probably
>> can't/don't want to pay for it...
>>
>> hmmm.. well a) their free eval is limited to 2k, and their download
>> page doesn't list the platform (for HC12), but their product page lists
>> only Windows under IDE... Though it appears that they support Linux...
>>
>> I like being able to use gcc on both platforms that I use the most,
>> MacOSX and FreeBSD, and not have to worry about some vendor deciding
>> that a platform isn't profitable enough so they are cutting support,
>> or constantly having to pay for upgrades to get bugs fixed...
>>
>>> I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
>>
>> ummm... do you have some special version of Wine that runs on PowerPC??
>>
>>> > a little bit of work, I have a set of scripts that lets me handle
>>> > flashing, and allocation of code to pages for far calls...
>>>
>>> Which BDM hardware is supported by the gcc port today?
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly... I do somewhat miss being able to trace and
>> breakpoint, but I've written a Python script to interface with the
>> serial debugger (AN2548) which lets me do the flashing, and do some
>> basic tracing... I haven't tried to write an interface to the DGB,
>> but I would imagine that'd make tracing a bit easier...
>>
>> So far my project hasn't had much need for gdb yet, so I haven't looked
>> at BDM support yet...
>>
>> I've been using the HC12 for a few months, so I'm not at all familar
>> with all the vendors and tools that are available...
>>
>> --
>> John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579
>>
>> "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Oliver Betz - Sep 27 15:49:00 2005
John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@gurn...> wrote:
[...]
> > I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
>
> ummm... do you have some special version of Wine that runs on PowerPC??
I see - excuse my ignorance. Even if it exists, an emulated X86 would
be rather slow.
BTW: that's one good reason for me to use Windows 2000 for uC
development. It's cheap and pretty stable. You get more tools. With
Cygwin, most gnu tools work without noticeable problem.
Oliver
--
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[...]
> > I guess that the Cosmic command line tools run even with Wine.
>
> ummm... do you have some special version of Wine that runs on PowerPC??
I see - excuse my ignorance. Even if it exists, an emulated X86 would
be rather slow.
BTW: that's one good reason for me to use Windows 2000 for uC
development. It's cheap and pretty stable. You get more tools. With
Cygwin, most gnu tools work without noticeable problem.
Oliver
--
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Re: Cheap ARM7 LPC210x - Jefferson Smith - Sep 27 16:36:00 2005
--- In 68HC12@68HC..., "Oliver Betz" <list_ob@g...> wrote:
> I see - excuse my ignorance. Even if it exists, an emulated X86
would
> be rather slow.
I though ppc was special because the hardware supports both m68k and
x86 functionality. I admit I never saw technical info. > BTW: that's one good reason for me to use Windows 2000 for uC
> development. It's cheap and pretty stable. You get more tools.
With
> Cygwin, most gnu tools work without noticeable problem.
I wouldn't call anything a good *reason* for that. Maybe a "severe
limitation" is a better term.
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> I see - excuse my ignorance. Even if it exists, an emulated X86
would
> be rather slow.
I though ppc was special because the hardware supports both m68k and
x86 functionality. I admit I never saw technical info. > BTW: that's one good reason for me to use Windows 2000 for uC
> development. It's cheap and pretty stable. You get more tools.
With
> Cygwin, most gnu tools work without noticeable problem.
I wouldn't call anything a good *reason* for that. Maybe a "severe
limitation" is a better term.
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