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Precision power supply - Vic Fraenckel - Aug 31 7:20:00 2002

I read an interesting post on one of these maillists concerning the accuracy
of the ADXL202 measurements being effected by the stability of the voltage
supplied to the IC. This got me to thinking that this might be the reason
for my dissatisfaction with the accuracy I was experiening when using the
'202.

How can I control the stability of the 5 volt source supplying the IC so as
to increase the accuracy of the measurements of my ADXL?

Any enlightenment will be appreciated.

TIA

Vic
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Re: Precision power supply - Tony Brenke - Aug 31 12:31:00 2002

http://www.thaler.com/thcpdf/vre4100.pdf

ref is .025%-.05% error
with good temp compensation. --- Vic Fraenckel <> wrote:
> I read an interesting post on one of these maillists concerning the accuracy
> of the ADXL202 measurements being effected by the stability of the voltage
> supplied to the IC. This got me to thinking that this might be the reason
> for my dissatisfaction with the accuracy I was experiening when using the
> '202.
>
> How can I control the stability of the 5 volt source supplying the IC so as
> to increase the accuracy of the measurements of my ADXL?
>
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Vic
> ________________________________________________________
>
> Victor Fraenckel - The Windman
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>
> Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
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>
> "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long
> and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
> - Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965)
>
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> -Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620)
>
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Re: Precision power supply - Mark Newell - Aug 31 12:44:00 2002

Vic,

I believe Analog and TI makes 5 volt and 2.5 volt
precision voltage references. I think they also make
much better voltage regulators than the 7805 type.
Might help with the source voltage stability. And a
bypass cap. very close to the input source to the chip
might help.

Mark

--- Vic Fraenckel <> wrote:
> I read an interesting post on one of these maillists
> concerning the accuracy
> of the ADXL202 measurements being effected by the
> stability of the voltage
> supplied to the IC. This got me to thinking that
> this might be the reason
> for my dissatisfaction with the accuracy I was
> experiening when using the
> '202.
>
> How can I control the stability of the 5 volt source
> supplying the IC so as
> to increase the accuracy of the measurements of my
> ADXL?
>
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Vic
>
________________________________________________________
>
> Victor Fraenckel - The Windman
>
> KC2GUI
> www.windsway.com
>
> Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
> Read the WIND
>
> "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all
> terror, victory however long
> and hard the road may be; for without victory there
> is no survival."
> - Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965)
>
> Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom
> the world is governed?
> -Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620) __________________________________________________





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Re: Precision power supply - Mark Newell - Aug 31 18:18:00 2002

Vic,

I don't know how you are measuring the "DC" but in
many cases where I have seen the ADXL202 used the
output is "low pass filtered" and run through an "op
amp" to create gain (voltage range). Someone with
some more EE experience might be able to suggest the
appropriate, opamp, caps and resistors.

Good luck,

Mark
--- Vic Fraenckel <> wrote:
> I read an interesting post on one of these maillists
> concerning the accuracy
> of the ADXL202 measurements being effected by the
> stability of the voltage
> supplied to the IC. This got me to thinking that
> this might be the reason
> for my dissatisfaction with the accuracy I was
> experiening when using the
> '202.
>
> How can I control the stability of the 5 volt source
> supplying the IC so as
> to increase the accuracy of the measurements of my
> ADXL?
>
> Any enlightenment will be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Vic
>
________________________________________________________
>
> Victor Fraenckel - The Windman
>
> KC2GUI
> www.windsway.com
>
> Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
> Read the WIND
>
> "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all
> terror, victory however long
> and hard the road may be; for without victory there
> is no survival."
> - Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965)
>
> Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom
> the world is governed?
> -Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620) __________________________________________________




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Re: Precision power supply - stan_eye_am - Sep 1 18:34:00 2002

--- In basicx@y..., "Vic Fraenckel" <vfraenc1@n...> wrote:
> I read an interesting post on one of these maillists concerning the
accuracy
> of the ADXL202 measurements being effected by the stability of the
voltage
> supplied to the IC.

Vic,

I was surprised by your comment so I looked over the spec. sheet
again. Unless A.D. is lying completely, the normal outputs are not
sensitive to variations over the specified supply range of 4.75 to
5.25 volts. You should have no trouble finding a 5V regulated supply
IC in this range.

A high-precision supply won't hurt, of course, but I don't see why it
is necessary assuming you are using a micro to measure the duty
cycle. If you are integrating the output to turn the waveform into DC
or are using the Filt outputs, then of course the output is directly
proportional to the supply voltage.

What sort of accuracy are you looking for and what are you seeing?
There are tricks for getting a more accurate measurement when using
the digital outputs.

Stan


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Re: Precision power supply - Vic Fraenckel - Sep 2 7:06:00 2002

Stan,
|
| What sort of accuracy are you looking for and what are you seeing?
| There are tricks for getting a more accurate measurement when using
| the digital outputs.
|

I am measuring the periods of the waveforms. I am trying to use the ADXL as
a two axis tiltmeter and have been having a real problem getting
repeatability of the tilt measurements. I integrate both periods for each
measurement by taking 10 readings of each on each axis and averaging and am
not getting the repeatability I had hoped for. I am providing 5 volts from a
gel cell and a 7805 regulator.

What tricks can I use to get more accurate measurements?

Any enlightenment will be appreciated

TIA

Vic
________________________________________________________

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KC2GUI www.windsway.com

Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
Read the WIND

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long
and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
- Winston [Leonard Spencer] Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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-Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620)





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SOIC mounting suggestion - Tom Becker - Sep 2 7:48:00 2002

Here's one way to use SOICs. This guy soldered the part to a DIP socket
and used that in another socket; you could just as well use a header.
Small soldering, of course, and one could do a better job, but it's
functional.

http://mmyotte.free.fr/0726_001.jpg Tom Becker
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Re: Precision power supply - v8fd - Sep 2 11:50:00 2002

I was told that the accuracy of the ADC can be significantly
influenced
if you have any loads on any of the digital input output pins. Is it
possible
that you are doing something with the I/O pins that is hampering your
results?


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RE: Re: Precision power supply - Tom Becker - Sep 2 12:21:00 2002

> ... I am measuring the periods of the waveforms...

Maybe correctly. Have you looked at the signal? Is it noisy? Tom Becker
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RE: Re: Precision power supply - Dan Bielecki - Sep 2 23:31:00 2002

I have multiple ADXLs. 202s and 210s chips mounted on a custom designed
boards.

According to the data sheets you need a very clean and stable power supply.
I use a dedicated 5v regulator and also current regulators on mine.
My power is decoupled with caps since it shares the main power supply with
other digital devices....so are the ADXLs according to the datasheets.
If powered from the same supply as other digital equipment, the decoupling
is REQUIRED per the specs.
A/D suggests ferrite beads for some decoupling junctions to ensure the ADXL
signals.
Also, there is special ground plane and noise specs to isolate the module
from the rest of the system along with calibration routines once the module
is in place and throughout the life cycle of the module since readings can
even be effected as the chip itself changes temperature.
The specs recommend calibration at power up and again after temperature
changes.

All these are just about required to ensure reliability.... according to the
specs.
My hardware is built according to the datasheets and my BX logic is modeled
after the BX Application Note in the BX folder.

It sounds to me like you need to clean up that power some more.
Hope this helps!

.db. -----Original Message-----
From: Vic Fraenckel [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:06 AM
To: ;
Subject: [BasicX] Re: Precision power supply Stan,
|
| What sort of accuracy are you looking for and what are you seeing?
| There are tricks for getting a more accurate measurement when using
| the digital outputs.
|

I am measuring the periods of the waveforms. I am trying to use the ADXL
as
a two axis tiltmeter and have been having a real problem getting
repeatability of the tilt measurements. I integrate both periods for each
measurement by taking 10 readings of each on each axis and averaging and
am
not getting the repeatability I had hoped for. I am providing 5 volts from
a
gel cell and a 7805 regulator.

What tricks can I use to get more accurate measurements?

Any enlightenment will be appreciated

TIA

Vic
________________________________________________________

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KC2GUI
www.windsway.com

Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
Read the WIND

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RE: Re: Precision power supply - Vic Fraenckel - Sep 3 20:17:00 2002

> ... I am measuring the periods of the waveforms...

> >Maybe correctly. Have you looked at the signal? Is it noisy?

Tom,
I have a 60MHz Tec 453 and I have monitored the output wave forms from both
channels and both appear quite stable with no discernable jitter or
noisiness.

Vic
________________________________________________________

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KC2GUI www.windsway.com

Home of the WindReader Electronic Theodolite
Read the WIND

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and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
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Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?
-Count Oxenstierna (ca 1620)





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