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Discussion Groups | BasicX | Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket

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12.8 Volts - nuepatrick - Nov 25 22:26:00 2004


Hello all,

What I am tring to figure out is how I can monitor a 12 battery level
when only 5 volts can be applied to a pin on the chip. I am sure I
have to use an A/D converter. I am not exactly sure how these things
work, or the best one to get.

What I need to do is this.

When power is first applied to the chip a time stamp is taken with the
help of a DS1307, along with this time stamp a voltage reading is
taken and stored in memory somehow. When the battery reaches a
critical level say 11.5 Volts another time stamp and voltage reading
is taken and then the system going into a standby state.

To be perfectly honest I really don't have a clue as to the best way
to do this, so any help would be greatly appericated.

any help would be great.

Patrick






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Re: 12.8 Volts - Gregg Martell - Nov 25 23:07:00 2004

Use a simple voltage divider.

Gregg

At 03:26 AM 11/26/04 +0000, you wrote: >Hello all,
>
>What I am tring to figure out is how I can monitor a 12 battery level
>when only 5 volts can be applied to a pin on the chip. I am sure I
>have to use an A/D converter. I am not exactly sure how these things
>work, or the best one to get.
>
>What I need to do is this.
>
>When power is first applied to the chip a time stamp is taken with the
>help of a DS1307, along with this time stamp a voltage reading is
>taken and stored in memory somehow. When the battery reaches a
>critical level say 11.5 Volts another time stamp and voltage reading
>is taken and then the system going into a standby state.
>
>To be perfectly honest I really don't have a clue as to the best way
>to do this, so any help would be greatly appericated.
>
>any help would be great.
>
>Patrick >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links





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Re: 12.8 Volts - Don Kinzer - Nov 26 0:13:00 2004


--- In , "nuepatrick" <nuepatrick@y...> wrote:
> What I am tring to figure out is how I can monitor a 12 battery
> level when only 5 volts can be applied to a pin on the chip.

You can use a voltage divider to reduce the maximum voltage that you
expect (probably less than 15 volts for a fully charged battery) to a
maximum of 5 volts. The simplest way to do this would be to use two
resistors with a ratio of 2:1. Connect the 2x resistor between the
battery and one of the BX-24's A/D pins and then connect the 1x
resistor from that pin to ground.

Using this voltage divider, the voltage that you read on the BX-24
pin will be 1/3 of the actual voltage.

Note that the tolerance of the resistors may affect the accuracy of
your readings. Because of this, you might want to use 1% or 5%
tolerance resistors, depending on the accuracy that you need.





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Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Robotics_Job_Search - Nov 27 16:48:00 2004


I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm concerned
about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid that the
acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model Rockets can
experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model Rocket as
is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some Epoxy,
anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!! Good Luck!
Ken_S.





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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - J - Nov 27 23:14:00 2004


Ken,
The Gs you pull have alot to do with what you are flying "ie motor
size and rocket weight" I know alot of people that fly em all the
time stock with no problems. Let me know what your thinking of flying.

JG~

--- In , Robotics_Job_Search
<Robotics_Job_Search@C...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm
concerned
> about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid
that the
> acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model
Rockets can
> experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model
Rocket as
> is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some
Epoxy,
> anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!! > Good Luck!
> Ken_S.






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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Marcelo Hacker \Cuenta Inicial\ - Nov 28 8:29:00 2004

Hi Ken!

I'm Marcelo from Argentina, and suscribed that list, for the same reason!
I'm Rocket modelist, and I'm in search of develop with help of a few
friends, a multi-propuse flight computer, based on PIC, BasicX or
BasicStamp.

I'm be very interested on what are you planning to design, and what succeess
you reach. Even if we can help in something, just let me know.

BTW, sorry about my english.. I'm spanish speaking person :-)

Marcelo ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robotics_Job_Search" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket >
>
> I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm concerned
> about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid that the
> acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model Rockets can
> experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model Rocket
as
> is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some Epoxy,
> anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!! > Good Luck!
> Ken_S. > Yahoo! Groups Links





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RE: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Tom Becker - Nov 28 11:33:00 2004

> ... Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some Epoxy...

I've attached the crystal's silicone sleeve to the processor with a drop
of silicone sealer, I've buried the crystal can in thermal grease atop
the processor, and I've coupled the crystal and an LM34 together in
shrink, effectively giving the crystal three more mounting leads. All
have worked well in my environments, but none are at 50g. Tom
Tom Becker
--... ...--
www.RighTime.com
The RighTime Clock Company, Inc., Cape Coral, Florida USA
+1239 540 5700




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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Steve Thatcher - Nov 28 11:36:00 2004

you can buy one of these and write your own program for it.

http://accelorocket.tripod.com/

I bought one for use in a high power rocket. There would be no reason you
could not trace out a schematic and use it for your own experimentation.

best regards, Steve Thatcher





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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Mark Newell - Nov 28 19:34:00 2004

Hi,

I am not sure how far you want to take control of the rocket but http://autopilot.sourceforge.net/ Development mailing list
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/autopilot-devel

is a "technical list that covers day to day discussion on software,
UAVs, electronics, helicopters, aerodynamics and politics."

Good Luck, Mark

--- "Marcelo Hacker (Cuenta Inicial)" <> wrote:

> Hi Ken!
>
> I'm Marcelo from Argentina, and suscribed that list, for the same
> reason!
> I'm Rocket modelist, and I'm in search of develop with help of a few
> friends, a multi-propuse flight computer, based on PIC, BasicX or
> BasicStamp.
>
> I'm be very interested on what are you planning to design, and what
> succeess
> you reach. Even if we can help in something, just let me know.
>
> BTW, sorry about my english.. I'm spanish speaking person :-)
>
> Marcelo > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robotics_Job_Search" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:48 PM
> Subject: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket > >
> >
> > I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm
> concerned
> > about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid
> that the
> > acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model
> Rockets can
> > experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model
> Rocket
> as
> > is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some
> Epoxy,
> > anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!!
> >
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Ken_S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Robotics_Job_Search - Nov 28 22:01:00 2004


>Let me know what your thinking of flying.

Depends on the final weight of course, but probably in the D, E, F, or
G Motor range. I'll start with lower peak impulse until I'm comfortable
that it can handle higher peak impulse engines. Good Luck!
Ken_S.

At 11:14 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >Ken,
>The Gs you pull have alot to do with what you are flying "ie motor
>size and rocket weight" I know alot of people that fly em all the
>time stock with no problems. Let me know what your thinking of flying.
>
>JG~
>
>--- In , Robotics_Job_Search
><Robotics_Job_Search@C...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm
>concerned
> > about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid
>that the
> > acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model
>Rockets can
> > experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model
>Rocket as
> > is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some
>Epoxy,
> > anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!!
> >
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Ken_S. >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links




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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Robotics_Job_Search - Nov 28 22:09:00 2004


I'm working on a design that will ...

* Sense the igniter voltage to start recording.
* Every tenth of a second record Temperature, Air Pressure, and Acceleration.
* Every Second click a digital camera.
* After one minute turn on a SonAlert(r) to help find the rocket when it
comes down.

I'll build and test it one step at a time, but hopefully get it all
working at once. Good Luck!
Ken_S.

At 08:29 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Ken!
>
>I'm Marcelo from Argentina, and suscribed that list, for the same reason!
>I'm Rocket modelist, and I'm in search of develop with help of a few
>friends, a multi-propuse flight computer, based on PIC, BasicX or
>BasicStamp.
>
>I'm be very interested on what are you planning to design, and what succeess
>you reach. Even if we can help in something, just let me know.
>
>BTW, sorry about my english.. I'm spanish speaking person :-)
>
>Marcelo >----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robotics_Job_Search" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:48 PM
>Subject: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket > >
> >
> > I'm thinking of using a BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket and I'm concerned
> > about the Crystal. It seems so loosely connected that I'm afraid that the
> > acceleration will rip it right off the board! I think Model Rockets can
> > experience up to 50 Gs or so. Has anyone else used it in a Model Rocket
>as
> > is with out any problems? Suppose I tacked it to the CPU with some Epoxy,
> > anyone see any potential problems with that? Thanks!!!
> >
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Ken_S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links




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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Robotics_Job_Search - Nov 28 22:15:00 2004


>you can buy one of these and write your own program for it.

Of course I could, but that would defeat the whole purpose of building
it my self! Good Luck!
Ken_S.

At 11:36 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote:
>To: ,<>
>Subject: Re: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket >you can buy one of these and write your own program for it.
>
>http://accelorocket.tripod.com/
>
>I bought one for use in a high power rocket. There would be no reason you
>could not trace out a schematic and use it for your own experimentation.
>
>best regards, Steve Thatcher




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Re: Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket - Steve Thatcher - Nov 29 6:37:00 2004

my apologies for not knowing what you were trying to accomplish. What I suggested was perfect for someone who wanted to just do software. Obviously you have hardware skills and what to roll your own. Good luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: Robotics_Job_Search <>
Sent: Nov 28, 2004 10:15 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket
>you can buy one of these and write your own program for it.

Of course I could, but that would defeat the whole purpose of building
it my self! Good Luck!
Ken_S.

At 11:36 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote:
>To: ,<>
>Subject: Re: [BasicX] Using BasicX-24 in a Model Rocket >you can buy one of these and write your own program for it.
>
>http://accelorocket.tripod.com/
>
>I bought one for use in a high power rocket. There would be no reason you
>could not trace out a schematic and use it for your own experimentation.
>
>best regards, Steve Thatcher Yahoo! Groups Links




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