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Is this the end, my friends? - Tom Becker - Oct 27 13:48:33 2007

There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
ZBasic. Others?
Tom



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RE: Is this the end, my friends? - Ryan Autet - Oct 27 14:52:52 2007


Naaa, BasicZ Coding envirment sucks ass big time. Im still die hard Basic X 24 fan it works for every thing i need.

To: b...@yahoogroups.comFrom: m...@gmail.comDate: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:19:29 -0400Subject: Re: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?

As much as I like my two BasicX microcontrollers I have to say for thehobbyist side using by BasicATOM is just easier! Now if you want speed andmemory you can't beat the BasicX...or so i thought. Unfortunatly who wouldwant a BasicX when for the same price you can get more memory and speed. Iknow I won't switch but to people who are just starting out with amicrocontroller if they actually compare which do you think they'll choose?On 10/27/07, Tom Becker wrote:>> There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is> the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months> of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more> private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this> is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone> has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other> architectures?>> Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with> three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains> a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its> ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,> apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't> happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted> ZBasic. Others?>> Tom>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Andy Horsman - Oct 27 15:06:36 2007

As much as I like my two BasicX microcontrollers I have to say for the
hobbyist side using by BasicATOM is just easier! Now if you want speed and
memory you can't beat the BasicX...or so i thought. Unfortunatly who would
want a BasicX when for the same price you can get more memory and speed. I
know I won't switch but to people who are just starting out with a
microcontroller if they actually compare which do you think they'll choose?

On 10/27/07, Tom Becker wrote:
>
> There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
> the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
> of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
> private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
> is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
> has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
> architectures?
>
> Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
> three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
> a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
> ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
> apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
> happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
> ZBasic. Others?
>
> Tom
>
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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - "nje...@ihug.co.nz" - Oct 27 16:22:05 2007

Tom and others
I have to agree with Ken unfortunately. I've been
using the atmel chips recently, and programming with Bascom ( which
has its drwabacks) but the sheer speed and programming power of the
atmel devices is breathtaking cf the Bx24. As Ken says,there is more
effort required, and I've managed to lock myself out of a perefectly
good device a few times, but still learning. The BX24 still has its
place I think...its easy to get started and is still much better than
the closest competition such as the stamp and the Picaxe. It is still a
great learning tool and for the hobbyest does most of what they want.
But-for a serious project its really annoying to hit the wall on a
project in terms of lack of speed or memory or both.
neil
Ken Arck wrote:

> Well, I don't mean to demean the BasicX product but I abandoned it
> years ago. It was great for a one-off or hobbyist application I suppose
>
> But for $10, I can buy an Atmel AVR with 4 times the RAM, 4 times the
> EEPROM and 10 times the code space.
>
> Sure, it's a tad more interfacing effort but you can do a hell of a
> lot for the $40 saved over a BX-xx
>
> Ken
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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - David Sousa Mendes - Oct 27 18:46:07 2007

Hello guys
As a contribution to the discussion, I'll say that I have used BX24 in professional applications with great success and that now I'm using it for educational purposes, following Chris Odom's book.
One of the things that keeps me linked to the BasicX is this forum... It helped me a lot in the development process and I SURE hope this forum will remain... Not only I clarified doubts about the bx24 as also about electronics, sensors, chips and related stuff .

David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Becker
To: b...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?
There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
ZBasic. Others?

Tom

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RE: Is this the end, my friends? - "Westhoff, Thomas " - Oct 27 18:57:37 2007

I moved to the Zbasic.net devices when they first came out. It was the best thing I have done for a long time. Many times faster, more chip choices, EXCELLENT support both from the manufacturer and the user forum. Did I mention the speed?

I saw the negative remark about the development environment, I disagree! It took just a short time to get used to it... works great as far as I am concerned.

And for those that are using the BasicX, like I was, you can get started right away using the BasicX compatible mode. I got my program running quickly that way, and then it took a lot less time than I thought to use the advanced features of the native Zbasic mode.

There are also additional development boards that use the same Zbasic chips available from Oak Microsm so there is even more support from a second vendor.

Shortage of RAM was always a problem for me with BasicX devices. Much more available with Zbasic. How's 7.5K Bytes on the newest devices?

If the BX series does what you want, stay with it. In my opinion there is no comparison. The Zbasic devices even program faster!
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: b...@yahoogroups.com on behalf of David Sousa Mendes
Sent: Sat 10/27/2007 6:08 PM
To: b...@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?

Hello guys
As a contribution to the discussion, I'll say that I have used BX24 in professional applications with great success and that now I'm using it for educational purposes, following Chris Odom's book.
One of the things that keeps me linked to the BasicX is this forum... It helped me a lot in the development process and I SURE hope this forum will remain... Not only I clarified doubts about the bx24 as also about electronics, sensors, chips and related stuff .

David
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Becker
To: b...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?
There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
ZBasic. Others?

Tom

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RE: Is this the end, my friends? - Ken Arck - Oct 27 22:13:09 2007

Well, I don't mean to demean the BasicX product but I abandoned it
years ago. It was great for a one-off or hobbyist application I suppose

But for $10, I can buy an Atmel AVR with 4 times the RAM, 4 times the
EEPROM and 10 times the code space.

Sure, it's a tad more interfacing effort but you can do a hell of a
lot for the $40 saved over a BX-xx

Ken



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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - "G. Kramer Herzog" - Nov 16 10:13:55 2007

Yes, ZBasic seems to have superceded the BX-24 in quality and
support. The support is excellent and the product has so much more
in features and clarity. I now have 8 ZXs compared to two BX-24s,
two BX-35s, and a BX-01.

The ZBasic documentation is very clear and complete with only a few
errors (e.g.,440cps is a musical A note, not C) whilst Netmedia has
seemed unable to ever revise and correct errors and omissions in the
original documents.

Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front cover
of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much on
advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain relevant.

Of course, the Parallax Propeller offer a whole different experience
that includes video synthesis, keyboard and mouse direct interface,
and audio synthesis. Then there are Rabbit, Arduino, and more.

Currently I am enjoying using a DSTINIm400 for a complete 1Mbyte Ran
webservers.

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - "G. Kramer Herzog" - Nov 19 15:04:14 2007

Correction, I just got the latest Nuts & Volts issue and Netmedia no
longer is advertising in the front inside cover.
> Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front cover
> of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much on
> advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain relevant.
>

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Don Kirby - Nov 19 18:18:47 2007

This seems to be a classic case of the 'not keeping up with the times'
syndrome.

It really is a shame, as NetMedia paved the way for many basic based
micros. I've always felt as if the people behind the BasicX story had
day jobs to attend to, hence the sometimes lacking manner in which
they conducted their business.

Although I've outgrown it myself, I do still think that the BasicX
family is a good starting point for beginners.

-Don

--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "G. Kramer Herzog" wrote:
>
> Correction, I just got the latest Nuts & Volts issue and Netmedia no
> longer is advertising in the front inside cover.
> > Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front cover
> > of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much on
> > advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain relevant.
>



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RE: Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Sharly Ibrahim - Nov 19 20:17:12 2007


i myself tried to use BASICX as a starter platform but i found it hard to get going. i used the Parallax Basic controllers and they have a well organized course work on how to get going with basic programing.
after finishing the starter book i was able to catch up with friends who used the basic stamp for years.
i hope this input help out.
To: b...@yahoogroups.comFrom: p...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:16:23 +0000Subject: [BasicX] Re: Is this the end, my friends?

This seems to be a classic case of the 'not keeping up with the times'syndrome.It really is a shame, as NetMedia paved the way for many basic basedmicros. I've always felt as if the people behind the BasicX story hadday jobs to attend to, hence the sometimes lacking manner in whichthey conducted their business.Although I've outgrown it myself, I do still think that the BasicXfamily is a good starting point for beginners.-Don--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "G. Kramer Herzog" wrote:>> Correction, I just got the latest Nuts & Volts issue and Netmedia no > longer is advertising in the front inside cover.> > > > Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front cover > > of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much on > > advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain relevant.> >>

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - jerryo2w - Nov 19 20:46:55 2007

Has the whole company closed up?

Jerry

--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "Don Kirby" wrote:
>
> This seems to be a classic case of the 'not keeping up with the
times'
> syndrome.
>
> It really is a shame, as NetMedia paved the way for many basic based
> micros. I've always felt as if the people behind the BasicX story
had
> day jobs to attend to, hence the sometimes lacking manner in which
> they conducted their business.
>
> Although I've outgrown it myself, I do still think that the BasicX
> family is a good starting point for beginners.
>
> -Don
>
> --- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "G. Kramer Herzog" wrote:
> >
> > Correction, I just got the latest Nuts & Volts issue and Netmedia
no
> > longer is advertising in the front inside cover.
> >
> >
> > > Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front
cover
> > > of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much
on
> > > advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain
relevant.
> > >
>



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RE: Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Ryan Autet - Nov 19 21:33:12 2007


basic stamp
is nothing compaired to basic X
i have found very little use for basic stamp aplications.
but they are a nice microcontroler as far as ease of use goes :)

To: b...@yahoogroups.comFrom: s...@hotmail.comDate: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:40:02 -0700Subject: RE: [BasicX] Re: Is this the end, my friends?

i myself tried to use BASICX as a starter platform but i found it hard to get going. i used the Parallax Basic controllers and they have a well organized course work on how to get going with basic programing.after finishing the starter book i was able to catch up with friends who used the basic stamp for years.i hope this input help out.To: b...@yahoogroups.comFrom: p...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:16:23 +0000Subject: [BasicX] Re: Is this the end, my friends?This seems to be a classic case of the 'not keeping up with the times'syndrome.It really is a shame, as NetMedia paved the way for many basic basedmicros. I've always felt as if the people behind the BasicX story hadday jobs to attend to, hence the sometimes lacking manner in whichthey conducted their business.Although I've outgrown it myself, I do still think that the BasicXfamily is a good starting point for beginners.-Don--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "G. Kramer Herzog" wrote:>> Correction, I just got the latest Nuts & Volts issue and Netmedia no > longer is advertising in the front inside cover.> > > > Nonetheless, Netmedia keeps its full page ad inside the front cover > > of Nuts & Volts, while ZBasic doesn't seem to be spending much on > > advertising at all. So, they seem to be trying to remain relevant.> >> __________________________________________________________Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE!http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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RE: Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Ryan Autet - Nov 20 0:22:44 2007


hehe
in a panic i checked there site too XD
ya there still up for business.
To: b...@yahoogroups.comFrom: g...@rightime.comDate: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:12:45 -0800Subject: Re: [BasicX] Re: Is this the end, my friends?

> ... Has the whole company closed up?No, I think not. Netmedia sells products other than Basic-X stuff, too. Try http://www.netmedia.comTom[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Mechatronics At Camden CC - Nov 22 1:43:07 2007

Although I still use the basicX for prototyping and small quick projects. (since I have a dozen chips with some sort of mother boards) I too started out with basic stamps and quickly seen the limitations. Then found the basicX and loved the pin for pin set up. I was able to keep all my old boards and just replace the stamp for a bx24. I donated my basic stamps to a local school that was using them. (students always seem to smoke a chip every class so they were happy to get them) I keep the mother boards and placed the BX24 in them.
I started to get right into Microchips new 16 bit family of chips and so fare enjoyed them. Although the quick prototyping of the basicX with the mother boards I have make it easy to put something together quick.

How has the compiler and the Zbasic chips do compared to the basicX?

Tom Becker wrote:
There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
ZBasic. Others?

Tom

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - Don Kirby - Nov 22 8:26:06 2007

--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, Mechatronics At Camden CC
wrote:
>
> How has the compiler and the Zbasic chips do compared to the basicX?
>

>From my experiences, the ZBasic platform is more powerful. The
compiler is backward compatible with BasicX code. In fact, my first
experience with ZBasic was converting a BasicX application. The only
problems I had were related to the speed difference between the
processors. The ZBasic platform is faster, and hence I had to modify
my application slightly to deal with the timing issues. Other than
that, the code compiled without change.

Once running on the new platform though, I found that I could do
things I couldn't previously, and wound up rewriting the entire
application to take advantage of the ZBasic's abilities. I haven't
looked back since.

The ZBasic compiler produces smaller code, which lets me do more given
the same amount of memory. There are more options and commands
available everywhere. The documentation is less ambiguous than the
BasicX docs. The support, both for hardware and the compiler, is
outstanding. The ZBasic Discussion forum, much like this one, is full
of active members who are helpful and share their knowledge readily.

The editing environment feels more 'real' with ZBasic. The IDE uses
the SciTe editor, which not the best, certainly outperforms what
BasicX is using. My biggest issue with the BasicX IDE had been the
lack of OEM support. If you develop a real world product, and need a
way for users to update the firmware/software in the field, the ZBasic
distribution includes a DLL implementation (source included) as well
as example programs that you can tailor to suit your application. The
BasicX platform does have a standalone utility to do the same, but it
is not customizable, and looks much like the download window in the
BasicX IDE. Not very professional in my opinion.

All of that said, the BasicX platform is marginally cheaper, and, with
fewer commands and options, easier to get started with for beginners.
The makers of the ZBasic line do nothing to advertise or promote their
product (not that I've seen anyway), whereas the BasicX is much more
well known. Spec for spec, the ZBasic chips win hands down, although
for some applications, more isn't necessarily better. YMMV.

-Don

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Re: Is this the end, my friends? - rosa...@aol.com - Nov 22 10:20:04 2007


Hi,

Just in case there is another that nobody mentioned here. Is the Basic Micro is pin compatible with all mentioned here plus the IDE is super. You can display all variables while you are running. Must of the time you use debug to see the variables. With atom micro you do not have to do it. There is one thing I do not like and is the chip size.

http://www.basicmicro.com/ViewPage.aspx?ContentCode=d_basicatom
rosarite

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Church
To: b...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 6:48 am
Subject: RE: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?

I have adopted the Cubloc line from Comfile and have been very happy with performance and price. Has Basic & ladder logic.

The CB-405 with 4 rs232 ports, 64 i/o, 200kb program, 100KB memory, 16 a/d, 12 pwm, 4 ext interupts for 49$ is good !!!

The BX-24 equivalent model CB-220 is 34$

The manual and examples are also very good.

Also lots of support hardware etc etc

www.cubloc.com

Art

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From: b...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:b...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mechatronics At Camden CC

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:59 PM

To: b...@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?

Although I still use the basicX for prototyping and small quick projects. (since I have a dozen chips with some sort of mother boards) I too started out with basic stamps and quickly seen the limitations. Then found the basicX and loved the pin for pin set up. I was able to keep all my old boards and just replace the stamp for a bx24. I donated my basic stamps to a local school that was using them. (students always seem to smoke a chip every class so they were happy to get them) I keep the mother boards and placed the BX24 in them.

I started to get right into Microchips new 16 bit family of chips and so fare enjoyed them. Although the quick prototyping of the basicX with the mother boards I have make it easy to put something together quick.

How has the compiler and the Zbasic chips do compared to the basicX?

Tom Becker wrote:

There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is

the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months

of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more

private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this

is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone

has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other

architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with

three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains

a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its

ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,

apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't

happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted

ZBasic. Others?

Tom

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=?us-ascii?Q?RE=3A_=5BBasicX=5D_Is_this_the_end=2C_my_friends=3F?= - Art Church - Nov 23 5:28:53 2007

I have adopted the Cubloc line from Comfile and have been very happy with performance and price. Has Basic & ladder logic.
The CB-405 with 4 rs232 ports, 64 i/o, 200kb program, 100KB memory, 16 a/d, 12 pwm, 4 ext interupts for 49$ is good !!!
The BX-24 equivalent model CB-220 is 34$
The manual and examples are also very good.
Also lots of support hardware etc etc

www.cubloc.com

Art

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From: b...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:b...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mechatronics At Camden CC
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:59 PM
To: b...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BasicX] Is this the end, my friends?
Although I still use the basicX for prototyping and small quick projects. (since I have a dozen chips with some sort of mother boards) I too started out with basic stamps and quickly seen the limitations. Then found the basicX and loved the pin for pin set up. I was able to keep all my old boards and just replace the stamp for a bx24. I donated my basic stamps to a local school that was using them. (students always seem to smoke a chip every class so they were happy to get them) I keep the mother boards and placed the BX24 in them.
I started to get right into Microchips new 16 bit family of chips and so fare enjoyed them. Although the quick prototyping of the basicX with the mother boards I have make it easy to put something together quick.

How has the compiler and the Zbasic chips do compared to the basicX?

Tom Becker wrote:
There remain only a few days of the month but it looks like this is
the slowest month of activity in this group since the first few months
of its inception eight years ago (oddly, this month I've received more
private messages about BX-24 than have been posted here); perhaps this
is the age of modern processor, ah, maturity. Certainly not everyone
has moved to http://www.zbasic.net ; have they moved to other
architectures?

Truth be told, my current - now three-year - project started with
three BX-24s in it. It now has four processors, one of which remains
a BX-24, but its days are numbered as its demand approaches its
ability. Netmedia has talked of a new processor for some time,
apparently waiting for its compiler to be completed; that hasn't
happened so far, though, and as it has become necessary, I've adopted
ZBasic. Others?

Tom

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