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Discussion Groups | BasicX | Re: please......
Discussion forum for the BasicX family of microcontroller chips.
Re: please...... - Tom Becker - Dec 6 11:17:03 2007
--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "adam" wrote:
> i've asked twice for help and quite frankly it's like asking
> a psychologist a question, so either no body knows the answer or their
> being cagie with their knowledge...
What? Cagie?! Bad example.
You got specific responses, some PS/2 mouse data structure information
and three component suggestions (themselves containing more
information - of which you selected one, I think, didn't you?) and a
schematic to drop the start bit. What more do you think would
comprise an appropriate response?
Please, indeed!
And, Damn It!, learn how to write! Capitalization, punctuation,
sentence construction and paragraphs will help the reader understand
you. A non-English speaker must be expected to make some errors and,
others have pointed out on other lists that culture might be a part of
a comm error, but I get far nicer letters from Nigeria about my good
fortune than I do from many here. I suspect it might be better to
write in native tongues and use a translation website to provide the
English. I will not be surprised to hear the same demand "I need...",
though, because the writer truly needs to get his coursework done -
and fast, skipping the cordialities. One would not find much success
with that approach at my business for long.
Wrong answer!
Tom
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> i've asked twice for help and quite frankly it's like asking
> a psychologist a question, so either no body knows the answer or their
> being cagie with their knowledge...
What? Cagie?! Bad example.
You got specific responses, some PS/2 mouse data structure information
and three component suggestions (themselves containing more
information - of which you selected one, I think, didn't you?) and a
schematic to drop the start bit. What more do you think would
comprise an appropriate response?
Please, indeed!
And, Damn It!, learn how to write! Capitalization, punctuation,
sentence construction and paragraphs will help the reader understand
you. A non-English speaker must be expected to make some errors and,
others have pointed out on other lists that culture might be a part of
a comm error, but I get far nicer letters from Nigeria about my good
fortune than I do from many here. I suspect it might be better to
write in native tongues and use a translation website to provide the
English. I will not be surprised to hear the same demand "I need...",
though, because the writer truly needs to get his coursework done -
and fast, skipping the cordialities. One would not find much success
with that approach at my business for long.
Wrong answer!
Tom
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Re: please...... - jxpicciri2000 - Dec 9 22:05:08 2007
--- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Becker" wrote:
>
> --- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "adam" wrote:
> > i've asked twice for help and quite frankly it's like asking
> > a psychologist a question, so either no body knows the answer or
their
> > being cagie with their knowledge...
>
> What? Cagie?! Bad example.
>
> You got specific responses, some PS/2 mouse data structure information
> and three component suggestions (themselves containing more
> information - of which you selected one, I think, didn't you?) and a
> schematic to drop the start bit. What more do you think would
> comprise an appropriate response?
>
> Please, indeed!
>
......
>
> Wrong answer!
>
> Tom
I've been on this group, though not very active, since near
it's inception (and started on the Basic Stamp since the
original BS I). I mention this because despite all that time
I'm not very well versed in either microcontroller but have
seen an awful lot of traffic. The issue, not necessarily
problem, as I see it is that any group has a variety of members
with different backgrounds, capabilities, and work ethics. How
to accommodate them all ? In large groups, like the Basic Stamp
(which in my opinion is large because of the simplicity of the
original Stamp and the effort put forth by Parallax in aiming
toward the less experienced users), users of similar experience
can help each other. As Tom said, he waits to see if anyone else
answers the questions first. Since the BasicX group is small,
often no-one does and then Tom takes it on himself to do it.
Perhaps no response would be better received then a "get on the
ball and do it yourself" response, but I can't entirely disagree
with the latter. I need quite a bit of help myself even though
I shouldn't given my background. My problem, perhaps like others,
is time. The difference I think is that I don't assume that my
problem is someone else's. I realize that I need to do the work
myself. However, if I do that and remain stuck, I do ask
and Tom has always responded with the needed solution.
It takes time to respond to questions and when those answers are
readily available in the documentation, there isn't necessarily
much motivation to respond. I suppose some of those questions
come from people who haven't yet matured into the post-secondary
school environment and treat the group as an extended family who
loves and cares for them. Although we have a common interest in
this group, we are not your mom. At least take the time to try
and find a solution and indicate what you have already tried before
asking someone to do the work for you.
One specific example. Communication with a microcontroller is
something that I often find problematic as well. However, there
is a large amount of information in books, magazines, and on the
Internet. Learn the basic theory from these then try a few simple
experiments so that you can at least phrase a sensible question.
It takes more of your time, but you'll better understand the solution
and then hopefully will take the time to help others. That's the
way it's supposed to work.
John-
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>
> --- In b...@yahoogroups.com, "adam"
> > i've asked twice for help and quite frankly it's like asking
> > a psychologist a question, so either no body knows the answer or
their
> > being cagie with their knowledge...
>
> What? Cagie?! Bad example.
>
> You got specific responses, some PS/2 mouse data structure information
> and three component suggestions (themselves containing more
> information - of which you selected one, I think, didn't you?) and a
> schematic to drop the start bit. What more do you think would
> comprise an appropriate response?
>
> Please, indeed!
>
......
>
> Wrong answer!
>
> Tom
I've been on this group, though not very active, since near
it's inception (and started on the Basic Stamp since the
original BS I). I mention this because despite all that time
I'm not very well versed in either microcontroller but have
seen an awful lot of traffic. The issue, not necessarily
problem, as I see it is that any group has a variety of members
with different backgrounds, capabilities, and work ethics. How
to accommodate them all ? In large groups, like the Basic Stamp
(which in my opinion is large because of the simplicity of the
original Stamp and the effort put forth by Parallax in aiming
toward the less experienced users), users of similar experience
can help each other. As Tom said, he waits to see if anyone else
answers the questions first. Since the BasicX group is small,
often no-one does and then Tom takes it on himself to do it.
Perhaps no response would be better received then a "get on the
ball and do it yourself" response, but I can't entirely disagree
with the latter. I need quite a bit of help myself even though
I shouldn't given my background. My problem, perhaps like others,
is time. The difference I think is that I don't assume that my
problem is someone else's. I realize that I need to do the work
myself. However, if I do that and remain stuck, I do ask
and Tom has always responded with the needed solution.
It takes time to respond to questions and when those answers are
readily available in the documentation, there isn't necessarily
much motivation to respond. I suppose some of those questions
come from people who haven't yet matured into the post-secondary
school environment and treat the group as an extended family who
loves and cares for them. Although we have a common interest in
this group, we are not your mom. At least take the time to try
and find a solution and indicate what you have already tried before
asking someone to do the work for you.
One specific example. Communication with a microcontroller is
something that I often find problematic as well. However, there
is a large amount of information in books, magazines, and on the
Internet. Learn the basic theory from these then try a few simple
experiments so that you can at least phrase a sensible question.
It takes more of your time, but you'll better understand the solution
and then hopefully will take the time to help others. That's the
way it's supposed to work.
John-
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