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Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - John Kent - Feb 4 2:51:00 2003

Talking of Quartus,

I tried installing Quartus on my 800MHz Duron, running windows 98
and it kept throwing up illegal instruction messages.
It did not even get past unzipping the package.
It installed fine on my 233MHz Pentium I also running windows 98SE
Does Quartus not work on AMD machines ???

I've been using Xilinx web pack to design a 6800 clone and have had no
problems with it (version 4.2 under Windows98)
I've also nearly finished a 68HC11 clone, using Tony Burch's Xilinx B3
board.
I'm not keen to upgrade to XP and windows 2000 will be obsolete in 2 years
I wish Altera and Xilinx would consider supporting linux.
The draconian licensing of XP puts me off upgrading to that, but its the
only way to run Web pack 5.1i

John.

>No free tools for Altera? Maybe not for EVERY Altera device, but it's
>the same story as with Xilinx...
>
>You can check out the Quartus II Web Edition @
>http://www.altera.com/products/software/pld/products/quartus2/sof-quarwebmain.html?xy=sups2_quawe >
>
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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Martin Schoeberl - Feb 4 3:04:00 2003

> I tried installing Quartus on my 800MHz Duron, running windows 98
> and it kept throwing up illegal instruction messages.
> It did not even get past unzipping the package.
> It installed fine on my 233MHz Pentium I also running windows 98SE
> Does Quartus not work on AMD machines ???

I had similar problems with quartus but on an intel machine under Windows
ME. Altera told me that ME is not official supported, but on c.a.fpga ng
some told me that Quartus runs on their ME machine.
My solution was to upgrade to a new pc with XP :-(

> I wish Altera and Xilinx would consider supporting linux.

Alteras Quartus is available under Linux, but as I know, not the free
version :-(

Martin



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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Dries Driessens - Feb 4 3:08:00 2003



John Kent wrote:

>Talking of Quartus,
>
>I tried installing Quartus on my 800MHz Duron, running windows 98
>and it kept throwing up illegal instruction messages.
>It did not even get past unzipping the package.
>It installed fine on my 233MHz Pentium I also running windows 98SE
>Does Quartus not work on AMD machines ??? Quartus ran fine on my AMD K5-2 266MHz with Windows 98. The Altera
website reports Quartus runs on Windows 98.
Maybe the (low-end) Duron is the problem.

>I've been using Xilinx web pack to design a 6800 clone and have had no
>problems with it (version 4.2 under Windows98)
>I've also nearly finished a 68HC11 clone, using Tony Burch's Xilinx B3
>board.
>I'm not keen to upgrade to XP and windows 2000 will be obsolete in 2 years
>I wish Altera and Xilinx would consider supporting linux.
>The draconian licensing of XP puts me off upgrading to that, but its the
>only way to run Web pack 5.1i 90% of all computers run on Windows, maybe that's why they decided to
develop their software for Windows. I think we should be happy they
supply such advanced software for free at all. I must admit that
probably a lot more than this 10% of the electronic-engineers use Linux...

>John. >
>>No free tools for Altera? Maybe not for EVERY Altera device, but it's
>>the same story as with Xilinx...
>>
>>You can check out the Quartus II Web Edition @
>>http://www.altera.com/products/software/pld/products/quartus2/sof-quarwebmain.html?xy=sups2_quawe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Tommy Thorn - Feb 4 3:24:00 2003

John Kent wrote:

>I wish Altera and Xilinx would consider supporting linux.
>
I thought that Xilinx did support Linux (although that support amounts
to run the non-free version under Wine).

Everything but the lame GUI of the previous free version of WebPack does
run on Linux using Wine - I've tried it. I haven't tried the latest
edition yet, but I'll probably get to that soon.

>>No free tools for Altera? Maybe not for EVERY Altera device, but it's
>>the same story as with Xilinx...
>>
>>You can check out the Quartus II Web Edition @
>>http://www.altera.com/products/software/pld/products/quartus2/sof-quarwebmain.html?xy=sups2_quawe
>>

Thanks, I had no idea. Are there any Cyclone boards out there yet?

/Tommy




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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Dries Driessens - Feb 4 3:26:00 2003



Tommy Thorn wrote:

>Thanks, I had no idea. Are there any Cyclone boards out there yet? There are probably already a dozen cyclone boards out there, but the two
on the Altera website are: the MJL Cyclone Development kit for $495 (
http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-mjl_cyclone.html ) and
the Parallax Cyclone smart pack for $149 (
http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-parallax_cyclone_smrtpck.html
)

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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Martin Schoeberl - Feb 4 3:32:00 2003

> Thanks, I had no idea. Are there any Cyclone boards out there yet?

I'm working on one. See the details under:
http://www.jopdesign.com/cyclone/index.jsp

First boards will be available at the end of february.

Martin



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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - John Kent - Feb 5 1:13:00 2003

Hi Martin, Dries and Tommy

Thanks for your comments,

Martin Schoeberl wrote:

>I had similar problems with quartus but on an intel machine under Windows
>ME. Altera told me that ME is not official supported, but on c.a.fpga ng
>some told me that Quartus runs on their ME machine.
>My solution was to upgrade to a new pc with XP :-(
>
Sounds like a bit of a mystery then.
I wonder what sort of Intel machine it was ... Was it a Celeron ?

I actually upgraded to the Duron a year or so back especially to play
with the Web Pack Software.
I was trying to compile a 6809 core that I found on the Flex and UniFlex
Users group web site
but my old 233MHz pentium 1 was no match for the statedecode code in the
design.
It turned out to be the VHDL synthesis tools never completing the job
and the 6809 core turned
out not to be synthesisable anyway.

>Alteras Quartus is available under Linux, but as I know, not the free
>version :-(
>
>Martin I can under Dries comment about most PC's running windows.
I just though free software and a free operating systems would be a good
match :-)

I'm on a disability support pension which does not give me any money to be
racing out and buying new computers and operating systems.
The free Web Pack and Quartus Software is the only way I can keep my
hand in designing FPGA IP even if it is only CPU's from the 70's :-)

I have not tried wine under linux.

Thanks for everyone's comments.

John.

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Re: Installing Qauartus (was Standalone system) - Dries Driessens - Feb 5 3:00:00 2003



John Kent wrote:

>I'm on a disability support pension which does not give me any money to be
>racing out and buying new computers and operating systems.
>
I'm not saying people should buy the latest of the latest. For example:
last year I did my thesis on a complex FPGA design.
I worked on a AMD K5-2 266MHz portable with just 96MB SoDIMM, running on
Windows 98 SE.
Synplify & Quartus worked perfect on my machine. I had to wait 2 times
longer than on a 1GHz machine, but it worked perfectly.

I can advise to people on low-budget to synthesise your design not on
ISE Webpack or Quartus Web Edition, but to use the free EDA-tools
Leonardo Spectrum-Altera edition or Xilinx edition. As always these
tools are limited, but they preform the synthesis task about 600% beter
than ISE or Quartus! Afterwards you still have to place & route your
design in ISE or Quartus of course...

If you still want to improve your performance, buy some more memory.
Synthesis and place & route require lots of memory! If the design gets
too large, your pc starts swapping on his disk. In comparison: a
harddisk has a seek time of about 7 ms, memory 70 ns or less. This means
that when you start swapping, you are slowed about a 100 000 times! Even
if it is only 1000 times, your 1s synthesis with memory will last 18
minutes!!!

Also if your pc crashes a lot, my experience that this may be caused by
too less memory or low-end processors (Duron/Celeron/C3).

>The free Web Pack and Quartus Software is the only way I can keep my
>hand in designing FPGA IP even if it is only CPU's from the 70's :-)
>
>I have not tried wine under linux.
>
>Thanks for everyone's comments.
>
>John. >
Best regards,
Dries
.



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