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Technical discussions about Freescale Microcontrollers: M68HC11. (Freescale Semiconductor is a Subsidiary of Motorola).
Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Mike McCarty - Apr 12 15:03:00 2005
Redd, Emmett R wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: BobGardner@BobG... [mailto:BobGardner@BobG...]
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:39 PM
>>To: m68HC11@m68H...
>>Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ?
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 4/12/05 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>microcontroller2002@micr... writes:
>>
>>Test -- is this list still alive ?
>>
>>
>>
>>=========================
>>I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the
>>demise of the
>>hc11......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Or there is nothing new to learn about it. Perhaps no one new learning how to use it any more, so no one to ask.
Mike
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p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: BobGardner@BobG... [mailto:BobGardner@BobG...]
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:39 PM
>>To: m68HC11@m68H...
>>Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ?
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 4/12/05 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>microcontroller2002@micr... writes:
>>
>>Test -- is this list still alive ?
>>
>>
>>
>>=========================
>>I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the
>>demise of the
>>hc11......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Or there is nothing new to learn about it. Perhaps no one new learning how to use it any more, so no one to ask.
Mike
--
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Mike McCarty - Apr 12 15:06:00 2005
BobGardner@BobG... wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings. >
>====================================
>Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of flash...
>they already run with a 20mhz xtal and 5mhz bus clock... you can hang a 128k
>ram or rom on the external bus, chip selects work great. Look at all the
>8051 second sources... they all run faster, but are opcode compatible. The ldy
>instructions are all 1 cycle longer in the hc11 because they got tacked on to
>the 6800 instruction set as a new 'page' of opcodes. The HC11 has a few things
> that AVRs dont have... RTI interrupt, SWI instruction for system calls,
>illegal op trap. Hey Motorola guys! Forward these messages up the chain of
>command! >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
>
I imagine the Freescale people would just as soon the HC11 died, and
move everyone onto the HC12.
Mike
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>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings. >
>====================================
>Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of flash...
>they already run with a 20mhz xtal and 5mhz bus clock... you can hang a 128k
>ram or rom on the external bus, chip selects work great. Look at all the
>8051 second sources... they all run faster, but are opcode compatible. The ldy
>instructions are all 1 cycle longer in the hc11 because they got tacked on to
>the 6800 instruction set as a new 'page' of opcodes. The HC11 has a few things
> that AVRs dont have... RTI interrupt, SWI instruction for system calls,
>illegal op trap. Hey Motorola guys! Forward these messages up the chain of
>command! >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
>
I imagine the Freescale people would just as soon the HC11 died, and
move everyone onto the HC12.
Mike
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Test -- is this list still alive ? - micro controller - Apr 12 15:29:00 2005
Test -- is this list still alive ?
It's been three days this list is not exchanging messages, so if
anyone receives this message, please just confirm by replying with an
aknowledge message.
Regards,
Roger Tannous.
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 15:32:00 2005
Who dares wake me up?
tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: "micro controller" <microcontroller2002@micr...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Test -- is this list still alive ?
>
> It's been three days this list is not exchanging messages, so if
> anyone receives this message, please just confirm by replying with an
> aknowledge message.
>
> Regards,
> Roger Tannous.
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tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: "micro controller" <microcontroller2002@micr...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Test -- is this list still alive ?
>
> It's been three days this list is not exchanging messages, so if
> anyone receives this message, please just confirm by replying with an
> aknowledge message.
>
> Regards,
> Roger Tannous.
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Scott Grodevant - Apr 12 15:34:00 2005
got it.
Scott micro controller <microcontroller2002@micr...> wrote:
Test -- is this list still alive ?
It's been three days this list is not exchanging messages, so if
anyone receives this message, please just confirm by replying with an
aknowledge message.
Regards,
Roger Tannous. ---------------------------------
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Scott micro controller <microcontroller2002@micr...> wrote:
Test -- is this list still alive ?
It's been three days this list is not exchanging messages, so if
anyone receives this message, please just confirm by replying with an
aknowledge message.
Regards,
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 15:39:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
microcontroller2002@micr... writes:
Test -- is this list still alive ?
=========================
I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the demise of the
hc11...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Redd, Emmett R - Apr 12 15:42:00 2005
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BobGardner@BobG... [mailto:BobGardner@BobG...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:39 PM
> To: m68HC11@m68H...
> Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? >
> In a message dated 4/12/05 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> microcontroller2002@micr... writes:
>
> Test -- is this list still alive ? >
> =========================
> I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the
> demise of the
> hc11......
Or there is nothing new to learn about it.
Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:EmmettRedd@Emme...
Associate Professor (417)836-5221
Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
Southwest Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65804 USA
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> From: BobGardner@BobG... [mailto:BobGardner@BobG...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:39 PM
> To: m68HC11@m68H...
> Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? >
> In a message dated 4/12/05 3:33:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> microcontroller2002@micr... writes:
>
> Test -- is this list still alive ? >
> =========================
> I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the
> demise of the
> hc11......
Or there is nothing new to learn about it.
Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:EmmettRedd@Emme...
Associate Professor (417)836-5221
Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
Southwest Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65804 USA
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 15:43:00 2005
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the demise of the
> hc11......
If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New Design" in
all HC11 listings.
We better start planning a nice funeral.
tonyp@tony...
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From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the demise of the
> hc11......
If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New Design" in
all HC11 listings.
We better start planning a nice funeral.
tonyp@tony...
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 15:52:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tonyp@tony... writes:
If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
Design" in
all HC11 listings.
====================================
Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of flash...
they already run with a 20mhz xtal and 5mhz bus clock... you can hang a 128k
ram or rom on the external bus, chip selects work great. Look at all the
8051 second sources... they all run faster, but are opcode compatible. The ldy
instructions are all 1 cycle longer in the hc11 because they got tacked on to
the 6800 instruction set as a new 'page' of opcodes. The HC11 has a few things
that AVRs dont have... RTI interrupt, SWI instruction for system calls,
illegal op trap. Hey Motorola guys! Forward these messages up the chain of
command!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 16:11:00 2005
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of flash...
Ah, you see they can't be bothered with easy stuff. They're probably busy
fixing HC12 bugs! :)
Doesn't seem reasonable for someone to pull the plug on a healthy and tried MCU
but "reason" isn't the name of the game!
(We're slowly moving our designs towards either the MC9S08GB60/32 or other brand
MCUs.)
tonyp@tony...
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From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of flash...
Ah, you see they can't be bothered with easy stuff. They're probably busy
fixing HC12 bugs! :)
Doesn't seem reasonable for someone to pull the plug on a healthy and tried MCU
but "reason" isn't the name of the game!
(We're slowly moving our designs towards either the MC9S08GB60/32 or other brand
MCUs.)
tonyp@tony...
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 16:18:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 4:14:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike.McCarty@Mike... writes:
I imagine the Freescale people would just as soon the HC11 died, and
move everyone onto the HC12.
====================
I bet that was true before they were a separate company that has to make
money. If selling parts to small companies made millions for maxim, microchip,
atmel, I bet they'd love to have a profitable easy to apply product that
customers actually could use in a product. Seems so obvious, doesn't it?
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 16:23:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 4:18:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tonyp@tony... writes:
(We're slowly moving our designs towards either the MC9S08GB60/32 or other
brand
MCUs.)
========================
Seems like if the app would run in an HC05 with one accumulator and an 8 bit
stack pointer, you wouldn't have used an HC11 in the first place. Heck of a
replacement for an HC11 huh?
Lots of peripherals and real fast, but I bet a lot of speed gets eaten up
trying to make the cpu perform.
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 16:37:00 2005
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Seems like if the app would run in an HC05 with one accumulator and an 8 bit
> stack pointer, you wouldn't have used an HC11 in the first place. Heck of a
> replacement for an HC11 huh?
Well, the 9S08 isn't exactly the best replacement (strictly from CPU point of
view, otherwise, it's far superior) but don't forget to give the SP addressing
mode due credit. A lot of the missed functionality found in the HC11's richer
register set is offset to a large extent by SP addressing mode the HC11 lacked.
But you need to design your code a bit differently.
> Lots of peripherals and real fast, but I bet a lot of speed gets eaten up
> trying to make the cpu perform.
Maybe, but the 20MHz bus and single or double instruction cycles for most
instructions more than compensates. The only real problem is that it is a bit
less comfortable to write code for HCS08's limited CPU. Other than that, I see
more pluses than minuses moving to HCS08.
Why not move to HC12 then? For my HC11-based designs, I don't need the greater
addressing capabilities and added complexity of the CPU if I can get the HCS08
to do the same job at a lesser cost. Like I've said many times before, if the
HC11 compatibility is lost (as with the HC12) there's nothing to keep me from
going to a completely different family of MCU (even outside Motorola, oops
Freescale -- you see, now I don't even have a brand loyalty factor anymore since
they changed the name, too).
tonyp@tony...
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From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Seems like if the app would run in an HC05 with one accumulator and an 8 bit
> stack pointer, you wouldn't have used an HC11 in the first place. Heck of a
> replacement for an HC11 huh?
Well, the 9S08 isn't exactly the best replacement (strictly from CPU point of
view, otherwise, it's far superior) but don't forget to give the SP addressing
mode due credit. A lot of the missed functionality found in the HC11's richer
register set is offset to a large extent by SP addressing mode the HC11 lacked.
But you need to design your code a bit differently.
> Lots of peripherals and real fast, but I bet a lot of speed gets eaten up
> trying to make the cpu perform.
Maybe, but the 20MHz bus and single or double instruction cycles for most
instructions more than compensates. The only real problem is that it is a bit
less comfortable to write code for HCS08's limited CPU. Other than that, I see
more pluses than minuses moving to HCS08.
Why not move to HC12 then? For my HC11-based designs, I don't need the greater
addressing capabilities and added complexity of the CPU if I can get the HCS08
to do the same job at a lesser cost. Like I've said many times before, if the
HC11 compatibility is lost (as with the HC12) there's nothing to keep me from
going to a completely different family of MCU (even outside Motorola, oops
Freescale -- you see, now I don't even have a brand loyalty factor anymore since
they changed the name, too).
tonyp@tony...
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 16:50:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 4:47:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tonyp@tony... writes:
Why not move to HC12 then? ================================
Main reason is lack of external expandability. If you only need the amt of
internal flash and ram provided in the 32k, 64k, 128k and 256k versions, this
gripe is a moot point. If you need more of something, you're stuck. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Steve Tabler - Apr 12 17:08:00 2005
At 03:52 PM 4/12/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
Bob,
I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found any
such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
found this?
Steve
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>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
Bob,
I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found any
such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
found this?
Steve
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 17:34:00 2005
Actually that was me, not Bob.
Look at the "Orderable Parts Information" section for any HC11. All parts
have the "Not Recommended for New Design" listed in the Status column of the
table.
One sample URL:
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=68HC11F1&nodeId=01624684498635
(look at bottom of page)
I know the shock is too greate, we're all still in "Denial" stage!
tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Tabler" <stevetabler@stev...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? > At 03:52 PM 4/12/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >
> >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >tonyp@tony... writes:
> >
> >If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
> >Design" in
> >all HC11 listings.
>
> Bob,
>
> I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found
any
> such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
> found this?
>
> Steve
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Look at the "Orderable Parts Information" section for any HC11. All parts
have the "Not Recommended for New Design" listed in the Status column of the
table.
One sample URL:
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=68HC11F1&nodeId=01624684498635
(look at bottom of page)
I know the shock is too greate, we're all still in "Denial" stage!
tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Tabler" <stevetabler@stev...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? > At 03:52 PM 4/12/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >
> >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >tonyp@tony... writes:
> >
> >If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
> >Design" in
> >all HC11 listings.
>
> Bob,
>
> I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found
any
> such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
> found this?
>
> Steve
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Author Unknown - Apr 12 17:35:00 2005
Guys,
This is not news, it has not been recomended for new designs for some time, this does not mean that it is discontinued. It is the same for the HC12 devices.
The HCS12 is recommended as its cheaper and faster.
Best Regards
Jim
www.freegeeks.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Tabler
To: m68HC11@m68H...
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? At 03:52 PM 4/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
Bob,
I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found any
such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
found this?
Steve
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This is not news, it has not been recomended for new designs for some time, this does not mean that it is discontinued. It is the same for the HC12 devices.
The HCS12 is recommended as its cheaper and faster.
Best Regards
Jim
www.freegeeks.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Tabler
To: m68HC11@m68H...
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ? At 03:52 PM 4/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
Bob,
I have just been going over the Freescale web site, and I haven't found any
such information. Do you suppose you could provide a url to where you
found this?
Steve
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 17:41:00 2005
No one said anything about any HC11 being discontinued just yet. But "Not
Recommended" is one step closer to the end. So, we need to plan ahead.
Strange thing is they don't list all available part in that section. Do you
think that means some parts are not on the "kill" list yet? If so, they
need to improve their presentation skills cause the web leaves the
impression everything's put on death row (but not dead yet).
tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: <freegeek@free...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Guys,
>
> This is not news, it has not been recomended for new designs for some
time, this does not mean that it is discontinued. It is the same for the
HC12 devices.
>
> The HCS12 is recommended as its cheaper and faster.
>
> Best Regards
> Jim
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Recommended" is one step closer to the end. So, we need to plan ahead.
Strange thing is they don't list all available part in that section. Do you
think that means some parts are not on the "kill" list yet? If so, they
need to improve their presentation skills cause the web leaves the
impression everything's put on death row (but not dead yet).
tonyp@tony...
----- Original Message -----
From: <freegeek@free...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Guys,
>
> This is not news, it has not been recomended for new designs for some
time, this does not mean that it is discontinued. It is the same for the
HC12 devices.
>
> The HCS12 is recommended as its cheaper and faster.
>
> Best Regards
> Jim
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Tony Papadimitriou - Apr 12 18:15:00 2005
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Seems like if the app would run in an HC05 with one accumulator and an 8
bit
> stack pointer, you wouldn't have used an HC11 in the first place. Heck of
a
> replacement for an HC11 huh?
I just re-read this comment of yours and realized you may have a
misconception about the HCS08. It's not brain-dead like the HC05!!!
You have full use of the stack. It has a rich set of stack-related
operations and a full 16-bit SP settable at any 64K address. SP can also be
used temporarily as a second index (with interrupts disabled). So, it
compares closer to the HC11 than the HC05 in capabilities, despite having an
HC05 compatible opcode map.
tonyp@tony...
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From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
To: <m68HC11@m68H... > Seems like if the app would run in an HC05 with one accumulator and an 8
bit
> stack pointer, you wouldn't have used an HC11 in the first place. Heck of
a
> replacement for an HC11 huh?
I just re-read this comment of yours and realized you may have a
misconception about the HCS08. It's not brain-dead like the HC05!!!
You have full use of the stack. It has a rich set of stack-related
operations and a full 16-bit SP settable at any 64K address. SP can also be
used temporarily as a second index (with interrupts disabled). So, it
compares closer to the HC11 than the HC05 in capabilities, despite having an
HC05 compatible opcode map.
tonyp@tony...
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - BobG...@... - Apr 12 18:38:00 2005
In a message dated 4/12/05 6:19:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tonyp@tony... writes:
I just re-read this comment of yours and realized you may have a
misconception about the HCS08. It's not brain-dead like the HC05!!!
===================
Last time I tried to write an HC05 prog was in the 70s I think. Was cussin
the whole time. Darn index register was only 8 bits and I couldnt port any of
my HC11 programs. Never looked at it after that. I think that's the bad memory
I had..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Jack Donoghue - Apr 12 21:57:00 2005
Tony Papadimitriou wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
>To: <m68HC11@m68H... >
>
>>I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the demise of the
>>hc11......
>>
>>
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
>
>We better start planning a nice funeral.
>
>tonyp@tony... >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links >
>
Isn't it spring break time? Wouldn't THAT explain why there aren't so
many questions?
Jack Donoghue
jdsb@jdsb...
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <BobGardner@BobG...>
>To: <m68HC11@m68H... >
>
>>I hate to admit it Roger, but this looks like evidence of the demise of the
>>hc11......
>>
>>
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New Design" in
>all HC11 listings.
>
>We better start planning a nice funeral.
>
>tonyp@tony... >
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links >
>
Isn't it spring break time? Wouldn't THAT explain why there aren't so
many questions?
Jack Donoghue
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RE: Test -- is this list still alive ? - Kerry Berland - Apr 13 17:45:00 2005
The good news is that by now there is a less expensive 68HC12 or 68HC908 (or
MC9S12 or MC9S08) part, with equal or better capabilities, for just about
every 68HC11 application.
These new families offer flash memory on-chip. The S series parts have BDM
ports allowing inexpensive programming and debugging in-circuit. There is
competitive pricing on a lot of these parts.
The bad news is that for existing products, some redesign will be needed.
We have products we ship to customers with 68HC11 chips in them, which were
designed years ago, and we're putting plans in place to upgrade to the 08
and 12 families.
It's my understanding that automotive and wireless communications customers
used to be the volume drivers for the 68HC11. But no new products using the
68HC11 have been designed into those high-volume markets for many years now.
For example, it's been about 10 years since GM Truck started requiring that
every body control module (doors, seats, windows, etc.) must have a
processor with in-circuit programmable flash memory. I believe that 68HC11
production volumes have gone way, way down.
The discussion lists for the 68HC12 and the 68HC08 are much, much busier. I
think it's because most engineers who used to work with the 68HC11 have
already made the move.
Best regards,
Kerry Berland
kerry@kerr...
Silicon Engines
2101 Oxford Road
847-803-6860
Fax 847-803-6870
Des Plaines, IL 60018 USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike McCarty [mailto:Mike.McCarty@Mike...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:06 PM
To: m68HC11@m68H...
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ?
BobGardner@BobG... wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings. >
>====================================
>Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of
flash...
>they already run with a 20mhz xtal and 5mhz bus clock... you can hang a
128k
>ram or rom on the external bus, chip selects work great. Look at all the
>8051 second sources... they all run faster, but are opcode compatible. The
ldy
>instructions are all 1 cycle longer in the hc11 because they got tacked on
to
>the 6800 instruction set as a new 'page' of opcodes. The HC11 has a few
things
> that AVRs dont have... RTI interrupt, SWI instruction for system calls,
>illegal op trap. Hey Motorola guys! Forward these messages up the chain of
>command! >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
>
I imagine the Freescale people would just as soon the HC11 died, and
move everyone onto the HC12.
Mike
--
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
_____
> .
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MC9S12 or MC9S08) part, with equal or better capabilities, for just about
every 68HC11 application.
These new families offer flash memory on-chip. The S series parts have BDM
ports allowing inexpensive programming and debugging in-circuit. There is
competitive pricing on a lot of these parts.
The bad news is that for existing products, some redesign will be needed.
We have products we ship to customers with 68HC11 chips in them, which were
designed years ago, and we're putting plans in place to upgrade to the 08
and 12 families.
It's my understanding that automotive and wireless communications customers
used to be the volume drivers for the 68HC11. But no new products using the
68HC11 have been designed into those high-volume markets for many years now.
For example, it's been about 10 years since GM Truck started requiring that
every body control module (doors, seats, windows, etc.) must have a
processor with in-circuit programmable flash memory. I believe that 68HC11
production volumes have gone way, way down.
The discussion lists for the 68HC12 and the 68HC08 are much, much busier. I
think it's because most engineers who used to work with the 68HC11 have
already made the move.
Best regards,
Kerry Berland
kerry@kerr...
Silicon Engines
2101 Oxford Road
847-803-6860
Fax 847-803-6870
Des Plaines, IL 60018 USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike McCarty [mailto:Mike.McCarty@Mike...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:06 PM
To: m68HC11@m68H...
Subject: Re: [m68HC11] Test -- is this list still alive ?
BobGardner@BobG... wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/05 3:46:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>tonyp@tony... writes:
>
>If you need more evidence, check Freescale's "Not Recommended for New
>Design" in
>all HC11 listings. >
>====================================
>Just crazy. I can't believe they wont make a new HC11F1 with 48K of
flash...
>they already run with a 20mhz xtal and 5mhz bus clock... you can hang a
128k
>ram or rom on the external bus, chip selects work great. Look at all the
>8051 second sources... they all run faster, but are opcode compatible. The
ldy
>instructions are all 1 cycle longer in the hc11 because they got tacked on
to
>the 6800 instruction set as a new 'page' of opcodes. The HC11 has a few
things
> that AVRs dont have... RTI interrupt, SWI instruction for system calls,
>illegal op trap. Hey Motorola guys! Forward these messages up the chain of
>command! >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
>
I imagine the Freescale people would just as soon the HC11 died, and
move everyone onto the HC12.
Mike
--
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
_____
> .
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