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Discussion group dedicated to the Philips LPC2000 family of ARM MCUs
Evaluation Boards - Keil vs. IAR - ooggie01 - Jul 16 18:01:30 2008
I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
Here are the boards I'm considering:
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Thomas
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and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
Here are the boards I'm considering:
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Thomas
------------------------------------
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RE: Evaluation Boards - Keil vs. IAR - Michael Freeman - Jul 16 18:23:09 2008
IAR does not lock its JLINK to their tool set. Keil forces you to use their
tools. So if you get a JLINK with either of these dev kits. I would choose
the IAR one.
-----Original Message-----
From: l...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:l...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
ooggie01
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:01 PM
To: l...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Evaluation Boards - Keil vs. IAR
I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
Here are the boards I'm considering:
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Thomas
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tools. So if you get a JLINK with either of these dev kits. I would choose
the IAR one.
-----Original Message-----
From: l...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:l...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
ooggie01
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:01 PM
To: l...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Evaluation Boards - Keil vs. IAR
I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
Here are the boards I'm considering:
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Thomas
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Evaluation Boards (what about Olimex?) - Darcy - Jul 16 18:36:59 2008
I need to jump in and recommend another alternative here...=20=20
Don't forget the Olimex boards. These are usually the most feature
rich for the price.
Both boards below use the LPC2378 and are MUCH cheaper than the othe two
Hope this helps!
eg.
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280
$170 USD
Features:
* MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=99t with 512K Bytes Program
Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, External Memory Bus, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
* Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
* Optional - TRACE connector
* 128x128 pixel 12 bit color TFT LCD with backlight
* Ethernet 100MBit
* MMA7620 3 axis accelerometer
* Two RS232 port
* Two CAN drivers and connector
* SD/MMC card connector
* UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
* IrDA transciever on board
* Audio in and Audio Out jacks for microphone and headphones
* Trimpot connected to ADC
* Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
RS232 port
* Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
* Joystick with four directions and push action
* Two user buttons
* Reset button
* Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
* Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
* Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
* Battery holder and connector for the RTC
* Power supply LED
* FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
Dimensions: 135x101mm (5.3x3.98")=20
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8282
$106 USD
Features:
* MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=99t with 256K Bytes Program
Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, EXTERNAL MEMORY BUS, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
* Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
* Optional - TRACE connector
* Ethernet 100MBit
* RS232 port
* CAN driver and connector
* SD/MMC card connector
* UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
* Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
RS232 port
* Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
* Two user buttons
* Reset button
* Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
* Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
* Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
* Prototype area
* Power supply LED
* FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
Dimension: 100x130mm (3.94x5.12")=20
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01" wrote:
>
> I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
>=20
> Here are the boards I'm considering:
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D143
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D109
>=20
> The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>=20
> Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
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Don't forget the Olimex boards. These are usually the most feature
rich for the price.
Both boards below use the LPC2378 and are MUCH cheaper than the othe two
Hope this helps!
eg.
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280
$170 USD
Features:
* MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=99t with 512K Bytes Program
Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, External Memory Bus, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
* Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
* Optional - TRACE connector
* 128x128 pixel 12 bit color TFT LCD with backlight
* Ethernet 100MBit
* MMA7620 3 axis accelerometer
* Two RS232 port
* Two CAN drivers and connector
* SD/MMC card connector
* UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
* IrDA transciever on board
* Audio in and Audio Out jacks for microphone and headphones
* Trimpot connected to ADC
* Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
RS232 port
* Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
* Joystick with four directions and push action
* Two user buttons
* Reset button
* Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
* Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
* Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
* Battery holder and connector for the RTC
* Power supply LED
* FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
Dimensions: 135x101mm (5.3x3.98")=20
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8282
$106 USD
Features:
* MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=99t with 256K Bytes Program
Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, EXTERNAL MEMORY BUS, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
* Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
* Optional - TRACE connector
* Ethernet 100MBit
* RS232 port
* CAN driver and connector
* SD/MMC card connector
* UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
* Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
RS232 port
* Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
* Two user buttons
* Reset button
* Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
* Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
* Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
* Prototype area
* Power supply LED
* FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
Dimension: 100x130mm (3.94x5.12")=20
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01"
>
> I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
>=20
> Here are the boards I'm considering:
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D143
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D109
>=20
> The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>=20
> Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
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Re: Evaluation Boards (what about Olimex?) - ooggie01 - Jul 16 19:14:31 2008
Oh, excellent suggestions. I quite like the first one
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280),
but it's out of stock at SparkFun. It seems I can purchase the same
board for the same price here:
http://www.microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=3D1921
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "Darcy" wrote:
>
> I need to jump in and recommend another alternative here...=20=20
>=20
> Don't forget the Olimex boards. These are usually the most feature
> rich for the price.
>=20
> Both boards below use the LPC2378 and are MUCH cheaper than the othe two
>=20
> Hope this helps!
>=20
> eg.
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280
> $170 USD
> Features:
>=20
> * MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=EF=BF=BDt with 512K Bytes Program
> Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, External Memory Bus, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
> 2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
> tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
> * Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
> programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
> * Optional - TRACE connector
> * 128x128 pixel 12 bit color TFT LCD with backlight
> * Ethernet 100MBit
> * MMA7620 3 axis accelerometer
> * Two RS232 port
> * Two CAN drivers and connector
> * SD/MMC card connector
> * UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
> connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
> * IrDA transciever on board
> * Audio in and Audio Out jacks for microphone and headphones
> * Trimpot connected to ADC
> * Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
> RS232 port
> * Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
> * Joystick with four directions and push action
> * Two user buttons
> * Reset button
> * Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
> * Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
> * Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
> * Battery holder and connector for the RTC
> * Power supply LED
> * FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
>=20
> Dimensions: 135x101mm (5.3x3.98")=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8282
> $106 USD
> Features:
>=20
> * MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=EF=BF=BDt with 256K Bytes Program
> Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, EXTERNAL MEMORY BUS, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
> 2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
> tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
> * Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
> programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
> * Optional - TRACE connector
> * Ethernet 100MBit
> * RS232 port
> * CAN driver and connector
> * SD/MMC card connector
> * UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
> connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
> * Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
> RS232 port
> * Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
> * Two user buttons
> * Reset button
> * Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
> * Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
> * Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
> * Prototype area
> * Power supply LED
> * FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
>=20
> Dimension: 100x130mm (3.94x5.12")=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01" wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> > and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> > will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
> >=20
> > Here are the boards I'm considering:
> > http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D143
> > http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D109
> >=20
> > The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> > there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
> >=20
> > Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much
appreciated.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
>
------------------------------------
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(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280),
but it's out of stock at SparkFun. It seems I can purchase the same
board for the same price here:
http://www.microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=3D1921
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "Darcy"
>
> I need to jump in and recommend another alternative here...=20=20
>=20
> Don't forget the Olimex boards. These are usually the most feature
> rich for the price.
>=20
> Both boards below use the LPC2378 and are MUCH cheaper than the othe two
>=20
> Hope this helps!
>=20
> eg.
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8280
> $170 USD
> Features:
>=20
> * MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=EF=BF=BDt with 512K Bytes Program
> Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, External Memory Bus, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
> 2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
> tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
> * Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
> programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
> * Optional - TRACE connector
> * 128x128 pixel 12 bit color TFT LCD with backlight
> * Ethernet 100MBit
> * MMA7620 3 axis accelerometer
> * Two RS232 port
> * Two CAN drivers and connector
> * SD/MMC card connector
> * UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
> connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
> * IrDA transciever on board
> * Audio in and Audio Out jacks for microphone and headphones
> * Trimpot connected to ADC
> * Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
> RS232 port
> * Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
> * Joystick with four directions and push action
> * Two user buttons
> * Reset button
> * Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
> * Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
> * Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
> * Battery holder and connector for the RTC
> * Power supply LED
> * FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
>=20
> Dimensions: 135x101mm (5.3x3.98")=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D8282
> $106 USD
> Features:
>=20
> * MCU: LPC2378 16/32 bit ARM7TDMI-S=EF=BF=BDt with 256K Bytes Program
> Flash, 16K Bytes RAM, EXTERNAL MEMORY BUS, RTC, 4x 10 bit ADC 2.44 uS,
> 2x UARTs, 4x CAN, I2C, SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V
> tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz operation
> * Standard JTAG connector with ARM 2x10 pin layout for
> programming/debugging with ARM-JTAG
> * Optional - TRACE connector
> * Ethernet 100MBit
> * RS232 port
> * CAN driver and connector
> * SD/MMC card connector
> * UEXT connector with I2C, SPI, RS232 and power supply for
> connecting add-on modules like RF link, MP3, etc available from Olimex
> * Reset circuit with external control of Philips ISP utility via
> RS232 port
> * Jumpers for ISP/RUN mode
> * Two user buttons
> * Reset button
> * Two on board voltage regulators 3V and 5V with up to 800mA current
> * Extension port connector for many of microcontrollers pins
> * Single power supply: External power supply, USB or JTAG connector
> * Prototype area
> * Power supply LED
> * FR-4, 1.5 mm, red soldermask, component print
>=20
> Dimension: 100x130mm (3.94x5.12")=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01"
> >
> > I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> > and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> > will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
> >=20
> > Here are the boards I'm considering:
> > http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D143
> > http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=3DVIEWPROD&ProdID=3D109
> >=20
> > The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> > there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
> >=20
> > Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much
appreciated.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
>
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Re: Evaluation Boards - Keil vs. IAR - Danish Ali - Jul 17 3:59:48 2008
You asked
> Is there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>From my (limited) experience, Keil puts a lot more effort into
generating sample code for all the different variants and their
peripherals.
So you'd be able to get going more quickly with Keil.
It is a trade-off of time vs money.
It takes a moderate amount of effort to port their sample code
to other development environments because they make use of
language extensions which are not present in competitors'
compilers (although equivalent extensions generally exist).
What did I do?
I bought a Keil demo board to start with, but when I outgrew
their demo compiler I switched to Rowley Crossworks rather
than upgrade to the commercial Keil compiler.
Regards,
Danish
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01" wrote:
>
> I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
>
> Here are the boards I'm considering:
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
>
> The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>
> Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
------------------------------------
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> Is there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>From my (limited) experience, Keil puts a lot more effort into
generating sample code for all the different variants and their
peripherals.
So you'd be able to get going more quickly with Keil.
It is a trade-off of time vs money.
It takes a moderate amount of effort to port their sample code
to other development environments because they make use of
language extensions which are not present in competitors'
compilers (although equivalent extensions generally exist).
What did I do?
I bought a Keil demo board to start with, but when I outgrew
their demo compiler I switched to Rowley Crossworks rather
than upgrade to the commercial Keil compiler.
Regards,
Danish
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, "ooggie01"
>
> I'm looking to buy an ARM development board for random hobby projects
> and to eventually make a robot. I've found some boards that I think
> will suit my needs, but I can't decide between a Keil or an IAR board.
>
> Here are the boards I'm considering:
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=143
> http://www.lpctools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=109
>
> The IAR board has more peripherals, yet it is less expensive. Is
> there something better about Keil that warrants the higher price?
>
> Any insight into what board to buy and where would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
------------------------------------
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