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USB & lpc2148 - supriya albal - Oct 14 22:11:48 2009
--- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal
From: supriya albal
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
To: "supriya albal"
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where should i start?
I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Pls Help!
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Re: USB & lpc2148 - rtstofer - Oct 15 0:01:55 2009
> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal
>
> From: supriya albal
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> To: "supriya albal"
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
>
> I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where should i start?
Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code so no peeking...
Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
www.jcwren.com/arm
It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
> I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
> What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from host), sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the kinds of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even a PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors, control special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
Richard
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - supriya albal - Oct 16 0:19:53 2009
Thanks. I will think about it.
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer wrote:
From: rtstofer
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
To: l...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:31 AM
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> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal wrote:
>=20
> From: supriya albal
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> To: "supriya albal"
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
>=20
> I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device control=
ler on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade code. Th=
is is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where shou=
ld i start?
Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code =
so no peeking...
Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
www.jcwren.com/ arm
It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
> I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
> What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from host), =
sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the kinds =
of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even a =
PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors, control=
special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over =
RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
Richard
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--- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer
From: rtstofer
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
To: l...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:31 AM
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> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal
>=20
> From: supriya albal
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> To: "supriya albal"
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
>=20
> I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device control=
ler on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade code. Th=
is is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where shou=
ld i start?
Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code =
so no peeking...
Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
www.jcwren.com/ arm
It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
> I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
> What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from host), =
sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the kinds =
of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even a =
PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors, control=
special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over =
RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
Richard
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - Pankaj Nimgade - Oct 16 7:43:11 2009
even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up with
having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
directly to 2148
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, supriya albal wrote:
> Thanks. I will think about it.
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer>
> wrote:
>
> From: rtstofer>
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> To: l...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:31 AM
> > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal wrote:
>
> > > From: supriya albal > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
>
> > To: "supriya albal" > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
>
> > > I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device
> controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade
> code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From
> where should i start?
>
> Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code
> so no peeking...
>
> Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
>
> www.jcwren.com/ arm
>
> It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
>
> > I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
>
> > What can be applications of arm as USB device?
>
> Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from host),
> sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the kinds
> of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even a
> PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
>
> For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors, control
> special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over
> RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
>
> Richard
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
directly to 2148
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, supriya albal
> Thanks. I will think about it.
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer
> wrote:
>
> From: rtstofer
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> To: l...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:31 AM
> > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal
>
> > > From: supriya albal
>
> > To: "supriya albal"
>
> > > I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device
> controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade
> code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From
> where should i start?
>
> Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code
> so no peeking...
>
> Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
>
> www.jcwren.com/ arm
>
> It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
>
> > I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
>
> > What can be applications of arm as USB device?
>
> Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from host),
> sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the kinds
> of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even a
> PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
>
> For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors, control
> special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over
> RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
>
> Richard
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - Ashwin Athani - Oct 16 8:20:49 2009
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Nimgade wrote:
> even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> with
> having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> directly to 2148
>
> __,_.
>
LPC2148 is USB device and cannot be configured as USB HOST. I believe you
need a USB host to connect your pendrive.
--
Warm regards
Ashwin
NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
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> even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> with
> having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> directly to 2148
>
> __,_.
>
LPC2148 is USB device and cannot be configured as USB HOST. I believe you
need a USB host to connect your pendrive.
--
Warm regards
Ashwin
NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
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Re: USB & lpc2148 - Donald H - Oct 16 13:31:50 2009
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Athani
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Nimgade
>
> >
> >
> > even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> > with
> > having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> > directly to 2148
> > > __,_.
> > LPC2148 is USB device and cannot be configured as USB HOST. I believe you
> need a USB host to connect your pendrive.
You can port a software version USB master.
http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
I don't think anyone has done this yet, the LPC community would love to see this working.
don
>
> --
> Warm regards
> Ashwin
> NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
> http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - Miguel Angel - Oct 16 13:59:32 2009
No, it's not possible, appart from the experiments showed up early in
this thread (may be it was other thread, they used an atmel...)... this
experiment
was in the edge of USB specification, and I think it's only valid as an
experiment.
You need an USB host chip. LPC2148 doesn't have host capability.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/16 Pankaj Nimgade
> even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> with
> having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> directly to 2148
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, supriya albal>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks. I will think about it.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer
>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: rtstofer
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> > To: l...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: supriya albal
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> >
> > > To: "supriya albal"
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device
> > controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade
> > code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From
> > where should i start?
> >
> > Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code
> > so no peeking...
> >
> > Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
> >
> > www.jcwren.com/ arm
> >
> > It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
> >
> > > I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
> >
> > > What can be applications of arm as USB device?
> >
> > Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from
> host),
> > sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the
> kinds
> > of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even
> a
> > PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
> >
> > For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors,
> control
> > special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over
> > RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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this thread (may be it was other thread, they used an atmel...)... this
experiment
was in the edge of USB specification, and I think it's only valid as an
experiment.
You need an USB host chip. LPC2148 doesn't have host capability.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/16 Pankaj Nimgade
> even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> with
> having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> directly to 2148
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM, supriya albal
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks. I will think about it.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/15/09, rtstofer
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: rtstofer
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> > To: l...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, supriya albal
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: supriya albal
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
> >
> > > To: "supriya albal"
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device
> > controller on lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want readymade
> > code. This is my final year project. I have to develop my own code. From
> > where should i start?
> >
> > Search the web for NXP application notes. Of course, these will have code
> > so no peeking...
> >
> > Everything you could possibly need is in the sample code here:
> >
> > www.jcwren.com/ arm
> >
> > It is built around the FreeRTOS operating system.
> >
> > > I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
> >
> > > What can be applications of arm as USB device?
> >
> > Data logger, MP3 player (use USB mass storage to receive songs from
> host),
> > sophisticated game controller, the ability of the PC to generate the
> kinds
> > of signals uCs are involved with (I2C, SPI, PWM, servo controls) or even
> a
> > PC controlled Halloween special effects controller.
> >
> > For the Halloween controller, the 2148 would handle peopls sensors,
> control
> > special effects (pneumatic valves, lamp dimming, perhaps communicate over
> > RS485 link, etc. The high level stuff would be done at the PC level.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - k5nwa - Oct 16 14:18:31 2009
At 12:10 PM 10/16/2009, you wrote:
>You can port a software version USB master.
>
>http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
>
>I don't think anyone has done this yet, the LPC community would love
>to see this working.
>
>don
>
> >
> > --
> > Warm regards
> > Ashwin
> > NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
> > http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
The Software Defined Radio Ham community uses that software with
their radios and it works well, but it's not a Host, its for the device.
Cecil
k5nwa
www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
< http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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>You can port a software version USB master.
>
>http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
>
>I don't think anyone has done this yet, the LPC community would love
>to see this working.
>
>don
>
> >
> > --
> > Warm regards
> > Ashwin
> > NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
> > http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
The Software Defined Radio Ham community uses that software with
their radios and it works well, but it's not a Host, its for the device.
Cecil
k5nwa
www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
< http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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Re: Re: USB & lpc2148 - Miguel Angel - Oct 16 14:18:57 2009
"""
Fully USB 1.1 compliant low-speed device, except handling of communication
errors and electrical specifications.
""
I'm not sure if you can't handle USB mass storage, for example and so on in
"Low speed", anyway, what I meant is that it's out of the USB
specifications.
May be it can be interesting for very low cost projects, but not sure if
it's safe or not.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/16 Donald H
> --- In l...@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Athani
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Nimgade
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> > > with
> > > having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> > > directly to 2148
> > >
> >
> > > __,_.
> > >
> >
> > LPC2148 is USB device and cannot be configured as USB HOST. I believe you
> > need a USB host to connect your pendrive.
>
> You can port a software version USB master.
>
> http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
>
> I don't think anyone has done this yet, the LPC community would love to see
> this working.
>
> don
>
> >
> > --
> > Warm regards
> > Ashwin
> > NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
> > http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Fully USB 1.1 compliant low-speed device, except handling of communication
errors and electrical specifications.
""
I'm not sure if you can't handle USB mass storage, for example and so on in
"Low speed", anyway, what I meant is that it's out of the USB
specifications.
May be it can be interesting for very low cost projects, but not sure if
it's safe or not.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/16 Donald H
> --- In l...@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Nimgade
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > even i was looking to connect mass storage device to lpc2148 but end up
> > > with
> > > having external usb host, do we have any option to connect the pendrive
> > > directly to 2148
> > >
> >
> > > __,_.
> > >
> >
> > LPC2148 is USB device and cannot be configured as USB HOST. I believe you
> > need a USB host to connect your pendrive.
>
> You can port a software version USB master.
>
> http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
>
> I don't think anyone has done this yet, the LPC community would love to see
> this working.
>
> don
>
> >
> > --
> > Warm regards
> > Ashwin
> > NGX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
> > http://code.google.com/p/blueboard-lpc214x/
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Re: USB & lpc2148 - Donald H - Oct 16 18:24:01 2009
--- In l...@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if you can't handle USB mass storage, for example and so on in
> "Low speed", anyway, what I meant is that it's out of the USB
> specifications.
What the OP wanted and what has been discussed are two very different things.
The OP wanted a student project for a USB device.
Someone else asked for using a USB mass storage device on a LPC2148.
So, is the OP still listening ??
What are you going to do this year ??
don
The OPs message stated:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/message/45302
From: supriya albal
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
To: "supriya albal"
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device controller on
lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want ready made code. This is my
final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where should i start?
I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Pls Help!
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>
> I'm not sure if you can't handle USB mass storage, for example and so on in
> "Low speed", anyway, what I meant is that it's out of the USB
> specifications.
What the OP wanted and what has been discussed are two very different things.
The OP wanted a student project for a USB device.
Someone else asked for using a USB mass storage device on a LPC2148.
So, is the OP still listening ??
What are you going to do this year ??
don
The OPs message stated:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/message/45302
From: supriya albal
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: USB & lpc2148
To: "supriya albal"
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
I am totally confused at this stage. I want to work on USB device controller on
lpc2148. I want to connect it to PC. I don't want ready made code. This is my
final year project. I have to develop my own code. From where should i start?
I am referring USB complete and user manual for lpc2148.
What can be applications of arm as USB device?
Pls Help!
------------------------------------
(You need to be a member of lpc2000 -- send a blank email to lpc2000-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )