Hi Everyone,

Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1 compiler available from TI. How does it compare with products like crossworks ( which I havn't used ).
Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I would prefer to use C.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated

Glenn

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Glenn wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1 compiler available from TI. How does it compare with products like crossworks ( which I havn't used ).
> Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I would prefer to use C.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>

Hi Glenn,
I've said before, sortof; I think mspgcc for 'C' is fantastic. I've
looked through my optimized code and even if I have not compared it to
others, think they do an excellent job. I've thrown serious stuff at it
without a problem. I don't know if C++ is ready for prime time, but the
C looks just fine.

The only catch is setup. Like, I have not bothered with the compiler in
the eclipse IDE. I compile by double-clicking a batch file in the IDE
and continue with eclipse to debug. No developer time lost if you get
use to it. I didn't use the right setup, something that may be brainless
with the likes of IAR. And I am lazy/content not to 'fix' this.

But then, I'm a hobby class user and $1k+ would be a ridiculous
investment for me. If I could have gotten a 'student' class license from
IAR back when, I may have used their stuff and would have been happy to
share what is yet to be a profitable company with them. I do know the
walk as I vend commercial software. I'm now working with my son who will
buy many thousands of CNC (cad/cam)$ software for a haas v2. But he
wants to make a product for the hobbyist so will need a 'free' software
package. Another adventure for me, find the right open source that will
get the job done, bundle it so his clients can install from a disk and go.

So the question. Does your venture capital take what you are doing
seriously? If so, IAR should be a no brainer from what I have read here.
The cost is like a drop in the bucket on return for a real product. Are
you a loner? Then check with IAR and see about an introductory license
or bother to do some grunt work and use gcc, IMHO.

Best, Dan.

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Hi Dan,

Thanks for your input. I've used gcc for other micros with mixed
results. Unfortunately over the years I've ended up with tools from
different vendors for different platforms. I've just never had good
cause to use C with the MSP before as it is mostly been restricted to
low power applications with only a small amount of code. This time I
need to tackle a much larger coding job as my customer has directed
that the design has to be MSP based. I don't mind. The budget
certainly would allow me to select the tools of my choice but since I
already have composer from the TI web site I thought I'd just ask
people how it stacks up against the rest.

Thanks for your input.

Glenn

Quoting "Dan Bloomquist" :

> Glenn wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1
>> compiler available from TI. How does it compare with products like
>> crossworks ( which I havn't used ).
>> Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I
>> would prefer to use C.
>>
>> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>> Hi Glenn,
> I've said before, sortof; I think mspgcc for 'C' is fantastic. I've
> looked through my optimized code and even if I have not compared it to
> others, think they do an excellent job. I've thrown serious stuff at it
> without a problem. I don't know if C++ is ready for prime time, but the
> C looks just fine.
>
> The only catch is setup. Like, I have not bothered with the compiler in
> the eclipse IDE. I compile by double-clicking a batch file in the IDE
> and continue with eclipse to debug. No developer time lost if you get
> use to it. I didn't use the right setup, something that may be brainless
> with the likes of IAR. And I am lazy/content not to 'fix' this.
>
> But then, I'm a hobby class user and $1k+ would be a ridiculous
> investment for me. If I could have gotten a 'student' class license from
> IAR back when, I may have used their stuff and would have been happy to
> share what is yet to be a profitable company with them. I do know the
> walk as I vend commercial software. I'm now working with my son who will
> buy many thousands of CNC (cad/cam)$ software for a haas v2. But he
> wants to make a product for the hobbyist so will need a 'free' software
> package. Another adventure for me, find the right open source that will
> get the job done, bundle it so his clients can install from a disk and go.
>
> So the question. Does your venture capital take what you are doing
> seriously? If so, IAR should be a no brainer from what I have read here.
> The cost is like a drop in the bucket on return for a real product. Are
> you a loner? Then check with IAR and see about an introductory license
> or bother to do some grunt work and use gcc, IMHO.
>
> Best, Dan.

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Glenn,

You could always start it with Code Composer and if it fails you for some
reason (final code size, bugs that can't be worked around, etc...), you
could always port it over to another package...
Tony

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM, wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> Thanks for your input. I've used gcc for other micros with mixed
> results. Unfortunately over the years I've ended up with tools from
> different vendors for different platforms. I've just never had good
> cause to use C with the MSP before as it is mostly been restricted to
> low power applications with only a small amount of code. This time I
> need to tackle a much larger coding job as my customer has directed
> that the design has to be MSP based. I don't mind. The budget
> certainly would allow me to select the tools of my choice but since I
> already have composer from the TI web site I thought I'd just ask
> people how it stacks up against the rest.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Glenn
>
> Quoting "Dan Bloomquist" >:
>
> > Glenn wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1
> >> compiler available from TI. How does it compare with products like
> >> crossworks ( which I havn't used ).
> >> Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I
> >> would prefer to use C.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >
> > Hi Glenn,
> > I've said before, sortof; I think mspgcc for 'C' is fantastic. I've
> > looked through my optimized code and even if I have not compared it to
> > others, think they do an excellent job. I've thrown serious stuff at it
> > without a problem. I don't know if C++ is ready for prime time, but the
> > C looks just fine.
> >
> > The only catch is setup. Like, I have not bothered with the compiler in
> > the eclipse IDE. I compile by double-clicking a batch file in the IDE
> > and continue with eclipse to debug. No developer time lost if you get
> > use to it. I didn't use the right setup, something that may be brainless
> > with the likes of IAR. And I am lazy/content not to 'fix' this.
> >
> > But then, I'm a hobby class user and $1k+ would be a ridiculous
> > investment for me. If I could have gotten a 'student' class license from
> > IAR back when, I may have used their stuff and would have been happy to
> > share what is yet to be a profitable company with them. I do know the
> > walk as I vend commercial software. I'm now working with my son who will
> > buy many thousands of CNC (cad/cam)$ software for a haas v2. But he
> > wants to make a product for the hobbyist so will need a 'free' software
> > package. Another adventure for me, find the right open source that will
> > get the job done, bundle it so his clients can install from a disk and
> go.
> >
> > So the question. Does your venture capital take what you are doing
> > seriously? If so, IAR should be a no brainer from what I have read here.
> > The cost is like a drop in the bucket on return for a real product. Are
> > you a loner? Then check with IAR and see about an introductory license
> > or bother to do some grunt work and use gcc, IMHO.
> >
> > Best, Dan.
> >
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Glenn,

I have used Code Composer and Crossworks for several projects. I have
found Crossworks to be superior in a number of areas. One of the more
important ones is that it doesn't crash. lose files or behave
erratically as Code Composer all too often does. After using them side
by side afor a few months I have switched entirely to Crossworks. CCE
Version 3 and 3.1 were, in my opinion, disasters. TI didn't even bother
to maintain backwards compatibility from CCE2 to CCE 3. While the fix
was simple, uncommenting a number of lines in the include files, for
each processor used, there was no reason to have broken it in the first
place. With that kind of customer abuse, the switch was easy. My
experience with IAR is limited, mostly because of the responses I
received during my initial evaluation. Every time something didn't work
they way it should they would listen politely and then tell me to call
TI because it wasn't THEIR problem. After calling TI a few times I
decided to cut out the middle man and went with CCE.

My support experience with Crossworks has been outstanding. I would
recommend them highly.

Hope this helps.

Frank

Glenn wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1
> compiler available from TI. How does it compare with products like
> crossworks ( which I havn't used ).
> Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I would
> prefer to use C.
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated
>
> Glenn
>
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:43:03AM -0400, Frank Chambers wrote:
> My support experience with Crossworks has been outstanding. I would
> recommend them highly.

I agree, Crossworks is fantastic. I have been using it for 6 years now,
for both MSP430 and ARM development. The debugger works the same whether
I am working with the MSP430 or an ARM target. The well polished, speedy
UI looks identical between Linux and Windows. The licensing follows a per-
developer model, and the support is prompt and helpful.

Take care,
-Chris

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Has anyone found anything that says that CCE uses gcc? I was pretty
sure that TI had their own compiler integrated into an Eclipse-based
IDE.

- Bart

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Christopher Cole wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:43:03AM -0400, Frank Chambers wrote:
>> My support experience with Crossworks has been outstanding. I would
>> recommend them highly.
>
> I agree, Crossworks is fantastic. I have been using it for 6 years now,
> for both MSP430 and ARM development. The debugger works the same whether
> I am working with the MSP430 or an ARM target. The well polished, speedy
> UI looks identical between Linux and Windows. The licensing follows a per-
> developer model, and the support is prompt and helpful.
>
> Take care,
> -Chris
>
> --
> | Christopher Cole, Cole Design and Development, LLC c...@coledd.com |
> | Embedded Software Development and Electronic Design http://coledd.com |
> | Stow, Ohio, USA 800-518-2154 |
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Hi,

> Has anyone found anything that says that CCE uses gcc? I was pretty
> sure that TI had their own compiler integrated into an Eclipse-based
> IDE.

CCE does not use GCC. It used to use gdb--I'm not sure it does any longer,
TI changed something in this area and made a bullet point out of it.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
>
> - Bart
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Christopher Cole wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:43:03AM -0400, Frank Chambers wrote:
> >> My support experience with Crossworks has been outstanding. I would
> >> recommend them highly.
> >
> > I agree, Crossworks is fantastic. I have been using it for 6 years now,
> > for both MSP430 and ARM development. The debugger works the same whether
> > I am working with the MSP430 or an ARM target. The well polished, speedy
> > UI looks identical between Linux and Windows. The licensing follows a
> per-
> > developer model, and the support is prompt and helpful.
> >
> > Take care,
> > -Chris
> >
> > --
> > | Christopher Cole, Cole Design and Development, LLC c...@coledd.com |
> > | Embedded Software Development and Electronic Design http://coledd.com
|
> > | Stow, Ohio, USA 800-518-2154 |
> >
> >
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I personally didn;t like CCE, but I am 100% satisfied with Crossworks.. The=
code is highly optimized and Paul's support is top notch.. As a=A0 develop=
er I also appreciate the per developer license, instead of the per machine =
license... It betetr matches how most people do development..
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--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Glenn wrote:
From: Glenn
Subject: [msp430] code composer
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 1:43 AM

Hi Everyone,

Just after anyone's experiences or opinions on Code Composer v3.1 compiler =
available from TI. How does it compare with products like crossworks ( whic=
h I havn't used ).
Typically I use IAR assembler only for MSP but this next job I would prefer=
to use C.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated

Glenn

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Joe Radomski wrote:
> I personally didn;t like CCE, but I am 100% satisfied with Crossworks.. The code is highly optimized and Paul's support is top notch.. As a developer I also appreciate the per developer license, instead of the per machine license... It betetr matches how most people do development..
>
>
>
I also see that Crossworks offers a personal license at a very
reasonable price so a guy like me can work on a product and pay the
commercial price when/if it is off the ground.

Best, Dan.

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i am actually writing a program for a gait telemetry sysetem but anytime i want to build using the code compose it tells me "cannot open 'bsp.h' ".any body can help me?

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