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Schematic & Board design - Martijn Broens - Jun 18 5:13:00 2004

Hi,
 
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 
 
thanks Martijn.
 






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Re: Schematic & Board design - Leon Heller - Jun 18 6:03:00 2004

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Broens" <m.t.j.broens@m.t....>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


> Hi,
>
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements

Pulsonix is excellent, download a working demo and try it:

http://www.pulsonix.com

They will give you a 30 day licence if you want to evaluate it fully.

I've been beta-testing the new Version 3.1 which is about to be released.
It's got some superb new stuff in it.

Pulsonix will import Eagle designs, as well as OrCAD, Protel, etc.

Leon




Re: Schematic & Board design - onestone - Jun 18 9:16:00 2004

For my own designs I use a 1989 (the last official version) of Vanguard 
EDA from Teradyne Systems. It was designed for DOS in the 386 era. 
Whoever wrote it knew their stuff. The autorouter (which I don't use) 
beats protel 98 by a country mile. The extended memory manager (for 
those who remember 640k limits) has never crashed on me. It was written 
as an open architecture with full manuals on every data type, so over 
the years it has been totally customised. It came without a flood fill, 
no problem, I wrote one in C. It had a simple, but effective macro 
language, but couldn't alpha step, again I wrote the routines. There is 
now more of my own software running functions than came with the 
original code, but it literally does everything I want, at blazing 
speed. Its only downsides are the designers didn't conceive hard drives 
beyond C: and 30Mb, it will cope with more, within the 16 bit file 
system limits  but doesn't handle 32 bit file formats. It also can only 
use up to 64Mb of memory, and is restricted to 800 x 600 graphics, but 
it can do a 30x30" PCB in 8Mb, the rest is just icing on the cake. I'm 
probably the last Vanguard user in the world, so customers prefer to 
have their documents in something more modern.

I run it from a dedicated ZIP disc in 16 bit format, using a DOS boot 
disc, and setting the zip drive to C:. I have around 80,000 parts in my 
library, more than 400 schematics, and around 8,000 PCB's in various 
versions. I still have plenty of space left on the zip drive. Of course 
even zip drives are getting a bit old now, so, one day, I'll have to 
ditch it, but until something else as flexible and powerful comes along 
I'd rather use it than any commercial program.

For commercial work I use Protel 98, bought in 99 ;@}. I've trialled 99, 
but don't like the way it forces itself on you with regards to projects, 
and file management. From what I've seen the latest versions are even 
worse for this, although I haven't yet had time to try the very latest, 
but hope to sometime soon. Biggest problem I have with Protel, and most 
current CAD packages is they are not only expensive, but for all you pay 
you don't get a decent hardcopy manual, and they don't permit third 
party books. Vanguard came with some 20 or so manuals, all very well 
written. The help files with 99 were less than useful, as is usually the 
case. I will probably stay with 98 until I can find a decent package 
with hard copy manuals and third party manuals, if I do any more 
commercial work for third parties, and do my own stuff in Vanguard 
still. I know I could print a manual, but why should I shell out close 
to $10k then have to pay to print the books. Anyway most now just come 
with HELP(less ) files.

Cheers

Al

Martijn Broens wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements 
>  
> thanks Martijn.
>  
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Schematic & Board design - Leonard Braun - Jun 18 12:49:00 2004

You may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program for creating
electronic designs.
It is very easy to use and has good support in the electronics industry.
This program appears to be the industry standard for schematic creation
and distribution.
 
  _____  

From: Martijn Broens [mailto:m.t.j.broens@m.t....] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:14 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design
 
Hi,

I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 

thanks Martijn.







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Re: Schematic & Board design - Veronica Merryfield - Jun 18 12:56:00 2004

I use SuperCAD and SuperPCB from www.mentala.com and have been very pleased
with it and the little support I needed.
--
Veronica Merryfield, somewhere in Cambridgeshire, UK




----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Broens" <m.t.j.broens@m.t....>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


> Hi,
>
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements
>
> thanks Martijn.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Schematic & Board design - Mario Lopez - Jun 18 16:09:00 2004

--- Leonard Braun <lbraun@lbra...> escribi > You
may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program
> for creating
> electronic designs.
> It is very easy to use and has good support in the
> electronics industry.
> This program appears to be the industry standard for
> schematic creation
> and distribution.
>  

I also use OrCAD and it's very good, but stilll I'm
looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I find
better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download a
demo version from the Webpage.


	
	
		
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Re: Schematic & Board design - Leonard Braun - Jun 18 17:09:00 2004

Orcad Layout comes with many Footprints for commonly used IC's and Discrete
Components.
It is also easy to create new Footprints if you need too.
There are third party suppliers who sell ready to use Footprints Packages for
Orcad Layout.
As I recall some semiconductor vendors provide Orcad Footprints for their parts
at their Web Sites.
 
  _____  

From: Mario Lopez [mailto:linked82@link...] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:09 PM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Schematic & Board design
 
--- Leonard Braun <lbraun@lbra...> escribi > You
may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program
> for creating
> electronic designs.
> It is very easy to use and has good support in the
> electronics industry.
> This program appears to be the industry standard for
> schematic creation
> and distribution.
>  

I also use OrCAD and it's very good, but stilll I'm
looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I find
better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download a
demo version from the Webpage.


      
      
            
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Re: Schematic & Board design(Footprints & Schematic symbols) - Sumukh Pathare - Jun 18 16:39:00 2004

Just in case anyone is interested and did not know, TI
has schematic symbols and footprints for most of their
components on the web. They are available for various
CAD packages including OrCAD.

-Sumukh

--- Mario Lopez <linked82@link...> wrote:
> looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I
find
> better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download


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Re: Schematic & Board design - dmmi...@... - Jun 19 2:18:00 2004

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:13:39 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi,
> 
>I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
>schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
>UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
>them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
>about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
>requirements 
> 
>thanks Martijn.

Terry Pinnell, a regular contributor to sci.electronics.design, has compiled
a list of descriptions of eda programs at

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terrypin/ECADList.html

I've used SmartWorks in 1986, Protel DOS, CircuitMaker/TraxMaker, Orcad, 
Protel 98 (not for long), and currently 99SE.

CircuitMaker/TraxMaker was pretty good, with a built-in Berkley SPICE program
that worked pretty well. I didn't like the library component builder, nor the
schematic
sheet environment that came with it. I purchased it in 2000 for a company that I
was
contracting to, for about AU$600, all up I think.

I've been using Protel 99SE both professionally and for my own designs for the
past 4 years, and yes, onestone is correct, the documentation leaves much to be
desired. Considering that it is one of the most popular professional EDA
programs 
used worldwide, one would think that Protel (I refuse to use their new name
Alt**m)
would allow third-parties to publish books detailing the uses of the program. 
Particularly how to manage library components and cross-link them to the
company's
internal component/production database(s). I understand the newer version of DXP
has this facility. I hope they've fixed the memory management in DXP, because
99SE
crashes occasionally, and is a memory hog. Get as much as you can afford, then
double it.




Re: Schematic & Board design - Steve - Jun 19 9:39:00 2004

I use and recommend PCAD 2002. They have a new release coming out soon
which
looks awesome.  PCAD used to be called ACCEL for those who recall that.  At
about $6000 it is a bit pricey for many but it really works well.  It blows
the doors off more expensive programs like Mentor's Veribest ($25K per seat)
for example.  I personally like PCAD better than ORCAD but they are priced
similar and work similarly. 

PCAD has a 30-day trial available for download I believe.

--> Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Martijn Broens [mailto:m.t.j.broens@m.t....]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:14 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


Hi,
 
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 
 
thanks Martijn.
 







.

 
Yahoo! Groups Links



 






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Re: Schematic & Board design(Footprints & Schematic symbols) - Mario Lopez - Jun 19 11:58:00 2004

--- Sumukh Pathare <sumukh_pathare@sumu...>
escribi > Just in case anyone is interested and did
not know,
> TI
> has schematic symbols and footprints for most of
> their
> components on the web. They are available for
> various
> CAD packages including OrCAD.
> 

Yes, they have a lot of symbols for many CAD editors,
but the problem is that they only have footprints for
two CAD aplications, and OrCAD isn't one of them :(.
Nonetheless, you can always use the footprint editor,
as other said :). You can also import/convert
symbols/footprints from other editors, but I did not
stopped to see how this works.


		
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Re: Schematic & Board design - Bhargava - Jun 19 20:34:00 2004

I use Protel 99SE and it works great for me. The footprint and
schematic libraries are limitted but there are wizards for creating
footprints.

Some people also like Eagle and it looks like it has a good library base.


 
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for
creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements
> 
> thanks Martijn.




Re: Schematic & Board design - hc08jb8 - Jun 20 0:04:00 2004

I use Eagle mostly and Cadstar or Pulsonix occasionally, personally I 
have grown to like Eagle, its a memory hog (most cad stuff are), it 
has bad graphics rendering or screen update, desptie these quirks, it 
is simple to use, creating componets/libraries are quite good, the 
auto router isnt that bad at all. It seems to be getting popular 
amongst the hobbyists mostly, I have not seen any big company 
providing their reference design schematics in Eagle but I see that 
TI's asking on its component footprint download page a survey on 
should TI provide Eagle format libraries. I guess its a matter of 
time ;)

Cheers
Jay 



--- In msp430@msp4..., "Martijn Broens" <m.t.j.broens@w...> 
wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm 
curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that
would suite my
> requirements 
>  
> thanks Martijn.
>  
> 
> 
> 




Re: Schematic & Board design - Giampaolo Consonni - Jun 21 7:09:00 2004

Hi group.
I'm a hobbist user and I don't want to spend money for a package. I start to use
a free software call CIRCAD, I play very little with EAGLE last year but I
really start do something just now with CIRCAD.
Before getting too far with Circad (very poor library in the free version) any
suggestion to  a free package with a good library for free?
 
Regards Paolo.

Martijn Broens <m.t.j.broens@m.t....> wrote:
Hi,

I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 

thanks Martijn.







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Re: Schematic & Board design - Georg Ritter - Jun 21 6:29:00 2004

Giampaolo Consonni wrote:
> Hi group.
> I'm a hobbist user and I don't want to spend money for a package. I start
to use a free software call CIRCAD, I play very little with EAGLE last year but
I really start do something just now with CIRCAD.
> Before getting too far with Circad (very poor library in the free version)
any suggestion to  a free package with a good library for free?
There is http://www.geda.seul.org/ and pcb.sourceforge.net and
opencollector.org.

The library issue is always a problem. As I understood there's a movement at 
IPC.org to create a free standard based on xml to provide components, footprints

etc. But this will last a bit until it hits the road, I guess. Meanwhile 
everybody and every company seems to write and maintain their own libs. Strange,

  work is duplicated very often. Why for e.g. component producers or 
distributors didn't cope with that earlier. Imagine a lib containing all 
components offered by farnell (index with their order numbers). Press the BOM 
(Bill of materials) button and send it off. That really would save a lot of 
time, wouldn't it?

Greets,

	Georg




>  
> Regards Paolo.
> 
> Martijn Broens <m.t.j.broens@m.t....> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements 
> 
> thanks Martijn.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





Re: Schematic & Board design - omesa - Jun 21 8:26:00 2004

Hi

I have  made good experience   with target  PCB and ASIC Layout-CAD/CAE
Software.
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo version.

http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm

The software can import Eagle Lib files.

Maybe interesting  !

To all a nice day
from


Siegmar




Re: Schematic & Board design - Indrek Rebane - Jun 21 11:38:00 2004

Hi Georg and others,

Georg Ritter wrote:
> The library issue is always a problem. As I understood there's a 
> movement at IPC.org to create a free standard based on xml to provide
>  components, footprints etc.

You probably mean already released IPC-2581, successor of ODB++ and
GenCAM. If yes, then it is only for PCB CAD and CAM data exchange
(footprint libraries and manufacturing data). Not for schematic symbols.

See more here:
http://webstds.ipc.org/2581/2581.htm

> But this will last a bit until it hits the road, I
guess. Meanwhile 
> everybody and every company seems to write and maintain their own 
> libs. Strange, work is duplicated very often. Why for e.g. component 
> producers or distributors didn't cope with that earlier.

Just because there are many different possibilities of using same
component. I often have several footprints for same component calculated
dependent on reliability and density classification of circuit component
is used in. Some clarification is brought to matters with upcoming
IPC-7351, successor of IPC-SM-782A.

See more here:
http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.asp?Committee=1-13

> Imagine a lib containing all components offered by
farnell (index 
> with their order numbers). Press the BOM (Bill of materials) button 
> and send it off. That really would save a lot of time, wouldn't it?

Not much. For every bit larger project, every component used needs time
for verification which makes time spent on finding out order number
quite marginal. Usually places like Farnell, Digikey and ELFA are used
for prototype runs where purchasing whole reel of components is not
sensible, there are no components in stock and lead times for samples
from manufacturers are too long over regular distributors (AvNet,
Insight-Memec, Arrow).

Indrek

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Re: Schematic & Board design - coli...@... - Jun 21 15:31:00 2004

Hi Paolo,

Through my uni days I used Proteus by Labcenter 
(www.labcenter.co.uk). This was ok for schematic capture and PCB 
layout (autoroute). It had a fair but not impresive library 
although creating parts was easy as most share a common 
footprint. One nice feature was the simulation facility. This was
based on a Spice engine but was not hugely accurate. Things have 
now changed!

You can now download Proteus VSM which enables you to do all of 
the original things but also simulate with a processor and 
peripherals. It can run C code in-line and spice analysis on the 
analogue parts with a good scope facility. One bad side is that 
the free version will not allow you to go from schematic to auto-
route. You must pay for this but you can input the parts 
straight into the layout package long hand (all the parts have 
definable footprints). 

You can pay for the aditional features as shown on their website 
with the full package only costing a few hundred pounds. This is 
great for hobby applications and ok for commercial prototyping 
however more detailed functions are not supported as with OrCAD.

I really like the microprocessor functionality in this package 
alhough it is not much use for MSP430 development. They 
currently support PIC's, AVR, 8051 and the Basic stamp.

Hope this is of some help,



Colin Bowdery.

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I'm a hobbist user and I don't want to spend money for a 
package. I start to use a free software call CIRCAD, I play very 
little with EAGLE last year but I really start do something just 
now with CIRCAD.<BR>
Before getting too far with Circad (very poor library in the 
free version) any suggestion to a free package with a good 
library for free?<BR>
 <BR>
Regards Paolo.<BR>
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Re: Schematic & Board design - Jack Powers - Jun 21 20:05:00 2004

RE: Eagle

There is a beta version of Eagle for the Mac (OS X, using X11 which is
now
supported by OS X). Note the warnings, but I have been playing with it a
bit and it hasn't crashed or done anything strange yet:

	http://www.cadsoftusa.com/betatest.htm

I am learning Eagle and it will be nice to have a choice of platforms
when the OS X version is officially available. Another reason is that
I have a 23" LCD on the Mac which is very nice for CAD.

Jack Powers
Powers Technical Services      powerstech@powe...  +1-408/621-1883
www.cryptnet.org/powerstech




Re: Schematic & Board design - Giampaolo Consonni - Jun 22 3:00:00 2004

I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good, Informations are
clear and funtionality seems more then I'm loking for. I downloaded all files
and in a week time I will experiment it.
Many Thanks, Paolo.

omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:
Hi

I have  made good experience   with target  PCB and ASIC Layout-CAD/CAE
Software.
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo version.

http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm

The software can import Eagle Lib files.

Maybe interesting  !

To all a nice day
from


Siegmar



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Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture - coli...@... - Jun 23 11:04:00 2004

Hi all,

I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc 
dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of 
the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even 
given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free 
versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...

Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB 
manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards 
with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.

Cheers,

Colin Bowdery.


<tt>
I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good, 
Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm 
loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will 
experiment it.<BR>
Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
<BR>
omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:<BR>
Hi<BR>
<BR>
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
CAD/CAE<BR>
Software.<BR>
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo 
version.<BR>
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friedrich.com/english/index.htm</a><BR>
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Re: Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture - Leon Heller - Jun 23 5:04:00 2004

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From: <colin.bowdery@coli...>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture


> Hi all,
>
> I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
> dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
> the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
> given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
> versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
>
> Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
> manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
> with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.


Try Olimex: http://www.olimex.com

Quality isn't outstanding but they are cheap. They can do down to 8 mil
tracks.




Re: Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture - Steve - Jun 23 7:40:00 2004

check out PCB4U.COM for low cost.
25 2x2" pcbs 2sided with silk screen are probably <$5 each <2 week
turnaround
-Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: colin.bowdery@coli... [mailto:colin.bowdery@coli...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:04 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture


Hi all,

I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...

Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.

Cheers,

Colin Bowdery.


<tt>
I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good,
Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm
loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will
experiment it.<BR>
Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
<BR>
omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:<BR>
Hi<BR>
<BR>
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
CAD/CAE<BR>
Software.<BR>
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo
version.<BR>
<BR>
<a
href="http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm">http://www.ib
friedrich.com/english/index.htm</a><BR>
<BR>
The software can import Eagle Lib files.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe interesting !<BR>
<BR>
To all a nice day<BR>
from<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Siegmar<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
---------------------------------<BR>
">Yahoo! Terms of
Service</a>.
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Re: Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture - tberry80614 - Jun 30 22:01:00 2004

-Hi
I just had some boards made from a company called

PCB4less  

we use them at work and make very good boards. I just got some made 
for 100 dolllars

tberry5153@tber...
-- In msp430@msp4..., colin.bowdery@b... wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc 
> dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of 
> the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even 
> given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free 
> versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
> 
> Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB 
> manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards 
> with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Colin Bowdery.
> 
> 
> <tt>
> I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good, 
> Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm 
> loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will 
> experiment it.<BR>
> Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
> <BR>
> omesa <omesa@g...> wrote:<BR>
> Hi<BR>
> <BR>
> I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
> CAD/CAE<BR>
> Software.<BR>
> They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo 
> version.<BR>
> <BR>
> <a 
>
href="http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm">http://www.ib
> friedrich.com/english/index.htm</a><BR>
> <BR>
> The software can import Eagle Lib files.<BR>
> <BR>
> Maybe interesting !<BR>
> <BR>
> To all a nice day<BR>
> from<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Siegmar<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> .<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> ---------------------------------<BR>
> ">Yahoo! Terms of 
> Service</a>.
> </ul>
> </tt>
> </br>
> 
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