First, let me start with simply saying:

I apologize.

After talking directly to several customers is appears evident that
the announcement concerning the 8-bit products come across in a way
that it was not meant to.

Let me be specific about this: We have not abandoned the 8-bit line
of products nor have we abandoned you the customer. We have only
officially changed the status of that line to what we are
calling "legacy" products, or as the ooPIC web site puts it "Classic
ooPIC"

What this means is that have shifted our primary focus (but not all
of it) to our newer better products.

I invite each and every one of you to explore our new products and
how they address issues that the user community has been asking for.

For instance:

1. The user now has control over the object set.
(New hardware? Not a problem... no waiting...)
(create, maintain and share your own objects.)
(Bug? Still not a problem. ALL objects are
(open source and community maintained.)
2. More RAM
(50 times more)
3. Your programs will now run 8000 times faster.
(That is not a misprint)
4. USB Port.
(No serial port? Not a problem.)
5. Built in Voice, Sound FX, and Music synth.
(Need your robot to sound like R2D2?)

The list can go on and on. But suffice to say that the things you
have been asking for are being put into a product line that can
handle them.

Scott Savage
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OK, apology excepted. Now, can we all move on!

I am not very interested in the ooBUG, what will you have that will
be replacing, let's say, the oopic C? It is still not clear to me as
to what the new product line looks like, can you elaborate.
--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "scottmsavage" wrote:
> First, let me start with simply saying:
>
> I apologize.
>
> After talking directly to several customers is appears evident that
> the announcement concerning the 8-bit products come across in a way
> that it was not meant to.
>
> Let me be specific about this: We have not abandoned the 8-bit
line
> of products nor have we abandoned you the customer. We have only
> officially changed the status of that line to what we are
> calling "legacy" products, or as the ooPIC web site puts
it "Classic
> ooPIC"
>
> What this means is that have shifted our primary focus (but not all
> of it) to our newer better products.
>
> I invite each and every one of you to explore our new products and
> how they address issues that the user community has been asking for.
>
> For instance:
>
> 1. The user now has control over the object set.
> (New hardware? Not a problem... no waiting...)
> (create, maintain and share your own objects.)
> (Bug? Still not a problem. ALL objects are
> (open source and community maintained.)
> 2. More RAM
> (50 times more)
> 3. Your programs will now run 8000 times faster.
> (That is not a misprint)
> 4. USB Port.
> (No serial port? Not a problem.)
> 5. Built in Voice, Sound FX, and Music synth.
> (Need your robot to sound like R2D2?)
>
> The list can go on and on. But suffice to say that the things you
> have been asking for are being put into a product line that can
> handle them.
>
> Scott Savage
>

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I love the features of the OOBug, but I also really like the more basic,
truly customizable nature of the older OOPics... The OOBug seems to have so
many things already built-in that it takes away from the challenges and
possibilities involved in making a more specified bot from "scratch". Also,
are there going to be other models with different features?

-Jon
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Yeah, that's what I meant in my previous Email from a few days back. I
think a little of both will be possible, like one product would be the
ooBug, and the the other will be a 16/32 bit OOpic in a OOPic C form factor.

___________________
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-----Original Message-----
From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:23 PM
To: o...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oopic] Re: Everyone please read. - Future of the ooPIC.

I love the features of the OOBug, but I also really like the more basic,
truly customizable nature of the older OOPics... The OOBug seems to have so
many things already built-in that it takes away from the challenges and
possibilities involved in making a more specified bot from "scratch". Also,
are there going to be other models with different features?

-Jon

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "r_sodeika" wrote:
> What will you have that will be replacing, let's say, the oopic
> C? It is still not clear to me as to what the new product line
> looks like, can you elaborate.

I am not sure if i am going to replace the ooPIC C.

The idea was that it would plug into the Basic Stamp 24 pin socket,
but apparently, the two camps dont like cross mingling that much, and
there wasn't very much interest in it.

Now, the ooPIC-R and the ooPIC-S...
That's a different story.

I will start with saying that the designs for the new product will be
a hybrid of the ooPIC-R and ooPIC-S. 40 pin header on one side, 24
servo connections on the other.

But I am more interested in what you need it to be.
What do you say that we turn this into a community project?

Post you wish list and lets see what we can get this thing to do.

Scott Savage
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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Jon wrote:
> I love the features of the OOBug, but I also really like the more
basic,
> truly customizable nature of the older OOPics... The OOBug seems to
have so
> many things already built-in that it takes away from the challenges
and
> possibilities involved in making a more specified bot from "scratch".
Also,
> are there going to be other models with different features?

The plan was to have a bigger model with the same features plus the 40
pin expansion header on it.

Scott Savage
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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ray xu" wrote:
> Yeah, that's what I meant in my previous Email from a few days back.
I
> think a little of both will be possible, like one product would be the
> ooBug, and the the other will be a 16/32 bit OOpic in a OOPic C form
factor.

That's tricky. The 16/32 bit ooPICs have a dual processor system. One
PIC18 for the USB and one PIC24 for the user program.

It is already a tight squeeze just to get the PIC16 on that little
board.

Scott Savage

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Sorry if I was unclear; I do not work with MCU a lot, that's why I chose the
OOPic. What I meant by that slash was an "or".

___________________
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Seattle Robotics
group member
My Blog

-----Original Message-----
From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
scottmsavage
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:36 PM
To: o...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [oopic] Re: Everyone please read. - Future of the ooPIC.

--- In oopic@yahoogroups. com, "ray xu"
wrote:
> Yeah, that's what I meant in my previous Email from a few days back.
I
> think a little of both will be possible, like one product would be the
> ooBug, and the the other will be a 16/32 bit OOpic in a OOPic C form
factor.

That's tricky. The 16/32 bit ooPICs have a dual processor system. One
PIC18 for the USB and one PIC24 for the user program.

It is already a tight squeeze just to get the PIC16 on that little
board.

Scott Savage

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On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:29 PM, scottmsavage wrote:

> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "r_sodeika" wrote:
>> What will you have that will be replacing, let's say, the oopic
>> C? It is still not clear to me as to what the new product line
>> looks like, can you elaborate.
>
> I am not sure if i am going to replace the ooPIC C.
>
> The idea was that it would plug into the Basic Stamp 24 pin socket,
> but apparently, the two camps dont like cross mingling that much, and
> there wasn't very much interest in it.

I was seriously considering replacing some of the BS2's I have (I have=20=20
a lot of 'em) with the ooPIC C but the price was a tad high (well not=20=20
really but we were feeling poor this year) and I was a bit worried=20=20
about oEvent.

> Now, the ooPIC-R and the ooPIC-S...
> That's a different story.
>
> I will start with saying that the designs for the new product will be
> a hybrid of the ooPIC-R and ooPIC-S. 40 pin header on one side, 24
> servo connections on the other.

I love the Parallax Board of Education with the small breadboard right=20=20
there.
> But I am more interested in what you need it to be.
> What do you say that we turn this into a community project?

What is the raw I/O capacity (pins and type, i.e. A or D) of the chip?=20=20
Will you have better timing stuff? I use analog in and PWM out a lot.

(FWIW, I was one of the people that Scott called today. We had a good=20=20
chat. I certainly feel more comfortable with his direction now that we=20=20
have talked. I urged him to be a bit more up-front with the list which=20=20
he seems to have taken to heart.)

--

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brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:36 PM, scottmsavage wrote:

> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ray xu" wrote:
>> Yeah, that's what I meant in my previous Email from a few days back.
> I
>> think a little of both will be possible, like one product would be=20=20
>> the
>> ooBug, and the the other will be a 16/32 bit OOpic in a OOPic C form
> factor.
>
> That's tricky. The 16/32 bit ooPICs have a dual processor system. =
=20
> One
> PIC18 for the USB and one PIC24 for the user program.

I am sure that someone is going to take me to task on this but, I=20=20
don't like having USB right on the board. Inevitably it is not=20=20
compatible with any USB driver I have already installed so I have to=20=20
install yet another driver (well, for windows). I would much rather=20=20
have RS-232 so I can use the same USB-to-serial adaptor I use for=20=20
everything else.
> It is already a tight squeeze just to get the PIC16 on that little
> board.
--

Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
=97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry

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At 12:46 AM 8/6/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>I am sure that someone is going to take me to task on this

Not me!
> but, I
>don't like having USB right on the board. Inevitably it is not
>compatible with any USB driver I have already installed so I have to
>install yet another driver (well, for windows).

Unless the driver is buggy, what's the issue?
> I would much rather
>have RS-232 so I can use the same USB-to-serial adaptor I use for
>everything else.

I'm OK with RS232 as well, but from what I've seen, most consumers
want a USB interface for their devices (GPS, music player, scanner
radio, whatever); I suspect it's the same in the micro market.
...Andy

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ray xu" wrote:
>
> Sorry if I was unclear; I do not work with MCU a lot, that's why I
chose the
> OOPic. What I meant by that slash was an "or".

Not a problem. It was understood.
The dual dual processor system is for both a system that uses the 16
chips and a system that would use the 32 bit chips.

Scott Savage

>
>
>
> ___________________
> Ray Xu
> ray@...
> DPRG member
> OOPic group member
> Seattle
Robotics
> group member
> My Blog -----Original Message-----
> From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> scottmsavage
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:36 PM
> To: o...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oopic] Re: Everyone please read. - Future of the ooPIC.
>
>
>
> --- In oopic@yahoogroups.
com, "ray xu"
> wrote:
> > Yeah, that's what I meant in my previous Email from a few days
back.
> I
> > think a little of both will be possible, like one product would
be the
> > ooBug, and the the other will be a 16/32 bit OOpic in a OOPic C
form
> factor.
>
> That's tricky. The 16/32 bit ooPICs have a dual processor system.
One
> PIC18 for the USB and one PIC24 for the user program.
>
> It is already a tight squeeze just to get the PIC16 on that little
> board.
>
> Scott Savage
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Andrew Porrett wrote:

> At 12:46 AM 8/6/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>> I am sure that someone is going to take me to task on this
>
> Not me!
>> but, I
>> don't like having USB right on the board. Inevitably it is not
>> compatible with any USB driver I have already installed so I have to
>> install yet another driver (well, for windows).
>
> Unless the driver is buggy, what's the issue?

Isn't "not buggy" when taken in context with "Windows" an oxymoron?

Often the problem is that the driver isn't already present and I don't=20=20
have the driver anywhere convenient.

>> I would much rather
>> have RS-232 so I can use the same USB-to-serial adaptor I use for
>> everything else.
>
> I'm OK with RS232 as well, but from what I've seen, most consumers
> want a USB interface for their devices (GPS, music player, scanner
> radio, whatever); I suspect it's the same in the micro market.

I guess that, since almost every USB device is just emulating a UART,=20=20
why bother? OK, the connector is smaller.

And I understand that most consumers want a USB interfaces. I just=20=20
wanted to point out that it doesn't really gain you anything and I am=20=20
not most consumers. :-)

--

Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> What is the raw I/O capacity (pins and type, i.e. A or D)
> of the chip? Will you have better timing stuff? I use
> analog in and PWM out a lot.

This is the chip I would like to use for the user code side of the
system.
http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en532441

Parameter Name Value
Max Speed MHz 80 / 1.56 DMIPS/MHz
RAM 32kb
DMA Channels 4
A/D channels 16 - 10bit
Input Capture 5
PWM 5
16-bit Digital Timers 5
I/O Pins 85

Scott Savage

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> Inevitably it (USB) is not compatible with any USB driver
> I have already installed so I have to install yet another
> driver (well, for windows).

Am am using the HID USB device, so no drivers are needed.

> I would much rather have RS-232 so I can use the same
> USB-to-serial adaptor I use for everything else.

Perhaps I should have both options.

Scott Savage
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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> I'm OK with RS232 as well, but from what I've seen, most consumers
> want a USB interface for their devices (GPS, music player, scanner
> radio, whatever); I suspect it's the same in the micro market.
> ...Andy

In addition, it is hard to find a machine that even has a serial port
any more. Yet, I can find machines that have 8 USBs every day.

Scott Savage
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At 01:11 AM 8/6/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>Often the problem is that the driver isn't already present and I don't
>have the driver anywhere convenient.

You could always get yourself a small USB stick (a meg or so) and
keep stuff like that on it.
>I guess that, since almost every USB device is just emulating a UART,
>why bother?

Because very few new desktops or laptops have serial ports. It's
understandable that consumers don't want to bother with USB to serial adapters.
>And I understand that most consumers want a USB interfaces. I just
>wanted to point out that it doesn't really gain you anything and I am
>not most consumers. :-)

Vendors don't want to deal with customers who can't connect the
product to their PCs. Users always ask why the device doesn't use a
USB interface or why the required USB to serial adapter wasn't
included with the product, never mind that it drives up the price for everyone.
...Andy

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "scottmsavage" wrote:
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> > What is the raw I/O capacity (pins and type, i.e. A or D)
> > of the chip? Will you have better timing stuff? I use
> > analog in and PWM out a lot.
>
> This is the chip I would like to use for the user code side of the
> system.
> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en532441
>
> Parameter Name Value
> Max Speed MHz 80 / 1.56 DMIPS/MHz
> RAM 32kb
> DMA Channels 4
> A/D channels 16 - 10bit
> Input Capture 5
> PWM 5
> 16-bit Digital Timers 5
> I/O Pins 85
>
> Scott Savage
>

Scott,

Now that is what I call an MCU. I would really like to use that one
with your embedded OS. With 32KB of RAM to run an OOPic/OOBot app, I
could do a lot more than with the S or R board.

-Gary

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "dettmering" wrote:
> Now that is what I call an MCU. I would really like to use that one
> with your embedded OS.
> -Gary

You like it? Cool!

I can't wait to get it done!

Scott Savage
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Yup, I like it too. So you're using 2 PIC chips now? Your idea sounds very
similar to the VEX controller; it has a OS PIC chip and a user PIC chip.

___________________
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group member
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scottmsavage
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:26 AM
To: o...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [oopic] Re: Everyone please read. - Future of the ooPIC.

--- In oopic@yahoogroups. com, "dettmering"
wrote:
> Now that is what I call an MCU. I would really like to use that one
> with your embedded OS.
> -Gary

You like it? Cool!

I can't wait to get it done!

Scott Savage

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On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:30 PM, scottmsavage wrote:

> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
>> I'm OK with RS232 as well, but from what I've seen, most consumers
>> want a USB interface for their devices (GPS, music player, scanner
>> radio, whatever); I suspect it's the same in the micro market.
>> ...Andy
>
> In addition, it is hard to find a machine that even has a serial port
> any more. Yet, I can find machines that have 8 USBs every day.

I understand. Still, if you think about it, what almost everyone does
is layer simple 8-bit async communications over USB. (I thought PPP
over ethernet was silly too and I was one of the authors of PPP.) The
applications on both ends of the link still see serial async comms.
USB is just a layer of indirection and a potential source of bugs and
error.

Regardless, if the vendor of the remote device chooses RS-232, I get
to choose the USB-to-RS-232 converter of my choice. I use the same one
for all RS-232 serial async devices I have. (And I have a lot!). If
every vendor of controlled devices switched to USB then I have a huge
number of drivers to deal with. Remember, Windows tags devices with a
manufacturer and device code. A driver gets tied to that. Even if two
vendors use the same chip, the device will have a different vendor and
device code which requires a different driver. At least the various
*nix flavors; e.g. Linux, MacOS, BSD, Solaris, etc.; use driver
families so that you only need one driver for a particular type of
chip but I could still need multiple drivers as there are a fair
number of USB-to-serial chips from different vendors.

It is a philosophical thing.

Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:16 PM, Andrew Porrett wrote:

> At 01:11 AM 8/6/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>> Often the problem is that the driver isn't already present and I
>> don't
>> have the driver anywhere convenient.
>
> You could always get yourself a small USB stick (a meg or so) and
> keep stuff like that on it.

I already do that. I have a LOT of drivers on my USB flash drive I
carry around with me. I also have the various installers for the ooPIC
IDEs, all the Parallax IDEs, test equipment interface packages, etc.

>> I guess that, since almost every USB device is just emulating a UART,
>> why bother?
>
> Because very few new desktops or laptops have serial ports. It's
> understandable that consumers don't want to bother with USB to
> serial adapters.

That is because they don't understand the problems with flaky drivers
and unnecessary internal complexity in their machines. OTOH, most
people seem to think that the general broken-ness of system software
is a normal thing too.

>> And I understand that most consumers want a USB interfaces. I just
>> wanted to point out that it doesn't really gain you anything and I am
>> not most consumers. :-)
>
> Vendors don't want to deal with customers who can't connect the
> product to their PCs. Users always ask why the device doesn't use a
> USB interface or why the required USB to serial adapter wasn't
> included with the product, never mind that it drives up the price
> for everyone.

Thinking is hard. :-)

Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.791.912.8170 (fax)

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--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ray xu" wrote:
>
> Yup, I like it too. So you're using 2 PIC chips now? Your idea
sounds very
> similar to the VEX controller; it has a OS PIC chip and a user PIC
chip.

Sort of. The idea grew from needing the USB chip to replace the serial
port... to having a PIC do the USB function... to utilising that PIC as
a second processor. Turns out the Soundgin code and the USB code can
share the same chip. So basically, everybody who gets an ooPIC gets
the Soundgin for free.

http://www.soundgin.com/

Scott Savage
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Please excuse me for replying to an old message, but I'm still trying
to figure out my next move...

This week I dragged out my old oopic (2,vb1.0), only to find out it
won't talk to my laptop. With the help of people here, I've been
trying to decide whether to rewire it, upgrade it, or replace it. I'd
just about decided to stick a new one on the credit card. However, it
looks like even the latest versions have usb interface problems, and
the software won't run on vista. Now I find out current units are
going to legacy status, even before they're operational on current
platforms (I've never seen a product go to legacy before the new
product is even designed before). It appears the support structure
for this product has gone to pieces.

I loved my old oopic2. And I'd love to replace it with something
similar. But I've put my credit card back in my wallet until I'm sure
I can buy something that works and will be supported. So my questions
are -

1. Is there a product or package of products that supports usb and
vista? Will it continue to be supported for a few years?
2. If not, is there going to be a product in the near future that
reliably supports usb and vista? If so, is there an expected date?
3. If not, is there a competing product with the same capabilities
that is currently available?

Thanks
Chris
(severely confused)

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "scottmsavage" wrote:
> First, let me start with simply saying:
>
> I apologize.
>
> After talking directly to several customers is appears evident that
> the announcement concerning the 8-bit products come across in a way
> that it was not meant to.
>
> Let me be specific about this: We have not abandoned the 8-bit
line
> of products nor have we abandoned you the customer. We have only
> officially changed the status of that line to what we are
> calling "legacy" products, or as the ooPIC web site puts
it "Classic
> ooPIC"
>
> What this means is that have shifted our primary focus (but not all
> of it) to our newer better products.
>
> I invite each and every one of you to explore our new products and
> how they address issues that the user community has been asking for.
>
> For instance:
>
> 1. The user now has control over the object set.
> (New hardware? Not a problem... no waiting...)
> (create, maintain and share your own objects.)
> (Bug? Still not a problem. ALL objects are
> (open source and community maintained.)
> 2. More RAM
> (50 times more)
> 3. Your programs will now run 8000 times faster.
> (That is not a misprint)
> 4. USB Port.
> (No serial port? Not a problem.)
> 5. Built in Voice, Sound FX, and Music synth.
> (Need your robot to sound like R2D2?)
>
> The list can go on and on. But suffice to say that the things you
> have been asking for are being put into a product line that can
> handle them.
>
> Scott Savage
>

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Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a lot of
old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in the
shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group. They'll be back.
RE: Vista - have you thought of Virtual PC? Must admit I haven't used
it for V5 or V6 but I do use it at work for other things and it
works well - but someone would have used it for an OOPic compiler?
(C'mon you blokes! Anyone know if it works?) Is it a parallel cable?
When you say it "doesn't talk to my laptop" - I had a similar problem
but Richard or Dennis (I think) told me that one pin on an "IBM type"
parallel port (pin 25?) didn't behave normally on my (real) IBM
laptop. Some IBM 'compatible' parallel ports use that pin to detect
the presence of a printer instead of its normal function (as an
earth I think). I ended up using another laptop instead (a Compaq)
and it works fine. Let me know how you get on, OK?

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
wrote:
>
> Please excuse me for replying to an old message, but I'm still
trying
> to figure out my next move...
>
> This week I dragged out my old oopic (2,vb1.0), only to find out it
> won't talk to my laptop. With the help of people here, I've been
> trying to decide whether to rewire it, upgrade it, or replace it.
I'd
> just about decided to stick a new one on the credit card. However,
it
> looks like even the latest versions have usb interface problems,
and
> the software won't run on vista. Now I find out current units are
> going to legacy status, even before they're operational on current
> platforms (I've never seen a product go to legacy before the new
> product is even designed before). It appears the support structure
> for this product has gone to pieces.
>
> I loved my old oopic2. And I'd love to replace it with something
> similar. But I've put my credit card back in my wallet until I'm
sure
> I can buy something that works and will be supported. So my
questions
> are -
>
> 1. Is there a product or package of products that supports usb and
> vista? Will it continue to be supported for a few years?
> 2. If not, is there going to be a product in the near future that
> reliably supports usb and vista? If so, is there an expected date?
> 3. If not, is there a competing product with the same capabilities
> that is currently available?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
> (severely confused)
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "scottmsavage" wrote:
> >
> >
> > First, let me start with simply saying:
> >
> > I apologize.
> >
> > After talking directly to several customers is appears evident
that
> > the announcement concerning the 8-bit products come across in a
way
> > that it was not meant to.
> >
> > Let me be specific about this: We have not abandoned the 8-bit
> line
> > of products nor have we abandoned you the customer. We have only
> > officially changed the status of that line to what we are
> > calling "legacy" products, or as the ooPIC web site puts
> it "Classic
> > ooPIC"
> >
> > What this means is that have shifted our primary focus (but not
all
> > of it) to our newer better products.
> >
> > I invite each and every one of you to explore our new products
and
> > how they address issues that the user community has been asking
for.
> >
> > For instance:
> >
> > 1. The user now has control over the object set.
> > (New hardware? Not a problem... no waiting...)
> > (create, maintain and share your own objects.)
> > (Bug? Still not a problem. ALL objects are
> > (open source and community maintained.)
> > 2. More RAM
> > (50 times more)
> > 3. Your programs will now run 8000 times faster.
> > (That is not a misprint)
> > 4. USB Port.
> > (No serial port? Not a problem.)
> > 5. Built in Voice, Sound FX, and Music synth.
> > (Need your robot to sound like R2D2?)
> >
> > The list can go on and on. But suffice to say that the things
you
> > have been asking for are being put into a product line that can
> > handle them.
> >
> > Scott Savage
>
------------------------------------



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On Aug 23, 2008, at 10:09 PM, ckelly.alternate wrote:

> Please excuse me for replying to an old message, but I'm still trying
> to figure out my next move...
>
> This week I dragged out my old oopic (2,vb1.0), only to find out it
> won't talk to my laptop. With the help of people here, I've been
> trying to decide whether to rewire it, upgrade it, or replace it. I'd
> just about decided to stick a new one on the credit card. However, it
> looks like even the latest versions have usb interface problems, and
> the software won't run on vista. Now I find out current units are
> going to legacy status, even before they're operational on current
> platforms (I've never seen a product go to legacy before the new
> product is even designed before). It appears the support structure
> for this product has gone to pieces.
>
> I loved my old oopic2. And I'd love to replace it with something
> similar. But I've put my credit card back in my wallet until I'm sure
> I can buy something that works and will be supported. So my questions
> are -
>
> 1. Is there a product or package of products that supports usb and
> vista? Will it continue to be supported for a few years?
> 2. If not, is there going to be a product in the near future that
> reliably supports usb and vista? If so, is there an expected date?
> 3. If not, is there a competing product with the same capabilities
> that is currently available?

I thought that when Scott Savage got on here and, hat in hand, seemed=20=20
to try to make things right, it might get better. I was impressed by=20=20
the fact that he called me on the phone, asked my opinion, and then=20=20
acted on my suggestions. But then I sent him email and asked a few=20=20
questions and got no answer. Seems he got from me what he wanted and=20=20
then couldn't be bothered to reply to my questions.

I am beginning to think that there isn't a lot of hope for the ooPIC.=20=20
Support is pretty poor (and that is being generous).

Frankly, I have been very impressed by the Parallax 'Propeller' chip.=20=20
It is a very powerful chip with a *LOT* of capability. It has eight=20=20
processing cores that can run independently so you can do true multi-=20
tasking in the chip. You can afford to do complex timing loops in one=20=20
core while doing something else in another core without any=20=20
interference. It is fast enough to actually generate video.

To my way of thinking the Propeller lacks only two things:

1. the clean programming interface of the ooPIC with all the=20=20
predefined objects;
2. built-in A:D.

The answer to item 1 is that they have a pretty extensive contributed=20=20
object library that demonstrates just about anything you might want to=20=20
do, up to and including bit-banging an ethernet interface! For A:D I=20=20
plan to use their I2C library object to talk to an I2C A:D converter.

In Parallax' favor, their support is everything that Savage's isn't.=20=20
Their support of me and my school has been outstanding.
--

Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
=97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry

PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

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> RE: Vista - have you thought of Virtual PC? Must admit I haven't used
> it for V5 or V6 but I do use it at work for other things and it
> works well - but someone would have used it for an OOPic compiler?

I have run the V5 and V6 compiler under XP on Parallels on my Mac. It=20=20
works just fine. This is using a serial cable for programming. I don't=20=20
use anything that requires the use of a parallel port. Too many=20=20
problems with non-standard devices.

--

Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
=97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry

PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

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At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
>Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a lot of
>old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in the
>shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.

More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not to
be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the last five years.
...Andy

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No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every day or
so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and those
get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.

Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
support it as we can.

I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering on
the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does not
leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.

Ted
Savage Innovations

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
>
> At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a lot of
> >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in the
> >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
>
> More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not to
> be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the last
five years.
> ...Andy
>

------------------------------------



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Surfing the web?? Yahoo Groups will send every message from this
list to your inbox if you just configure your settings properly. If
you can handle 250 emails a day (and even if you can't), you can
handle the few that this list generates. But you haven't. For
nearly a month, you've ignored every plea for help and instead you
choose to waste your time replying to my post. Rather than
SUPPORTING YOUR CUSTOMERS, you and Scott have wasted time writing
missives directed at me, which provide absolutely no support for your
paying customers. And on top of it all, you try to peddle your
(latest) lame excuse about how you don't have time to surf the web. Sheesh.
At 03:19 AM 8/27/2008, theo570 wrote:
>No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every day or
>so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and those
>get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.
>
>Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
>support it as we can.
>
>I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
>period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering on
>the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does not
>leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.
>
>Ted
>Savage Innovations
>--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> >
> > At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> > >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a lot of
> > >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in the
> > >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
> >
> > More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not to
> > be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> > vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the last
>five years.
> >
> >
> > ...Andy

------------------------------------



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C'mon guys - that sort of antogonism is the sort of thing that'll
just drive people away. We've had the punch-up, so let it go. Sort it
out off-line please. It's time for a new start don't you think?
There's no moderator any more so if we can't do it ourselves then who
can?

Mike M.

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every day
or
> so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and
those
> get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.
>
> Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
> support it as we can.
>
> I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
> period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering
on
> the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does
not
> leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> >
> > At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> > >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a
lot of
> > >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in
the
> > >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
> >
> > More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not
to
> > be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> > vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the
last
> five years.
> >
> >
> > ...Andy
>
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Please excuse my denseness, but I've checked the oopic web site
several times. All I found was a page saying that THIS group is the
primary tech support location, and doesn't even give an email address
for tech support. Could you please point me in the right direction
for this "direct-email" support?

Thanks,
Chris Kelly
(still trying to update his oopic plans)

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every day
or
> so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and
those
> get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.
>
> Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
> support it as we can.
>
> I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
> period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering
on
> the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does
not
> leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> >
> > At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> > >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a
lot of
> > >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in
the
> > >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
> >
> > More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not
to
> > be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> > vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the
last
> five years.
> >
> >
> > ...Andy
>
------------------------------------



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Andrew,

When I joined this group, I knew it was not Savage's OOPic technical
support. This group was started independently from Savage's company.
This group was started by a bunch of people interested in using the
OOPic controller in their hobby projects and to share what they are
doing to support "each other". Hence the term "User Group" and not
"Savage Technical Support".

You have been quick to help others and that I appreciate. That is what
this group is for, to help each other.

Anytime I have needed to get direct support from Savage, I have sent
an e-mail and was provided an answer within a day or sometimes within
an hour. That is not bad for a hobby product that cost less than $100.00.

I belong to many other groups that discuss issues with micro
controllers, and I do not expect the company who sells the products we
use to provide technical support on the list group. If someone from
that company chimes in then that is a bonus for us, but we do not
expect it.

User groups are normally independent of some company. We on this user
group, except for a few, want to discuss our robots and MC projects
using the OOPic.

Savage has a technical support via e-mail directly to them. USE IT if
it is that important to you. Otherwise, this group will try to help
you if we can. Sometimes we can't because it is out of our control due
to technical issues with the controller's embedded firmware, the OOpic
compiler, or something we don't understand. When that happens, you
need to send an e-mail to Savage Innovations to get direct help. That
is how they are set up.

This list group is not Savage's direct technical support hot-line. As
much as you want it to be so, it is not.

-Gary

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
>
> Surfing the web?? Yahoo Groups will send every message from this
> list to your inbox if you just configure your settings properly. If
> you can handle 250 emails a day (and even if you can't), you can
> handle the few that this list generates. But you haven't. For
> nearly a month, you've ignored every plea for help and instead you
> choose to waste your time replying to my post. Rather than
> SUPPORTING YOUR CUSTOMERS, you and Scott have wasted time writing
> missives directed at me, which provide absolutely no support for your
> paying customers. And on top of it all, you try to peddle your
> (latest) lame excuse about how you don't have time to surf the web.
Sheesh.
> At 03:19 AM 8/27/2008, theo570 wrote:
> >No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every day or
> >so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and those
> >get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.
> >
> >Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
> >support it as we can.
> >
> >I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
> >period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering on
> >the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does not
> >leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.
> >
> >Ted
> >Savage Innovations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> > >
> > > At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> > > >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a
lot of
> > > >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds in the
> > > >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
> > >
> > > More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose not to
> > > be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> > > vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the last
> >five years.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Andy
>

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Fellow OOPic'ers....

I love the oopic, but moved to JAL a few years back....It's not really
object oriented, but the Pascal paradigm suits me.
Not that I want to treat Savage or Scott with disrespect.... they
did / do great things. However, I moved into industrial control and
found JAL to be a better alternative. My kids hate that since they
like the oopic for their robotic projects.

my 2cents

gb

On Aug 27, 2008, at 8:20 AM, dettmerg wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> When I joined this group, I knew it was not Savage's OOPic technical
> support. This group was started independently from Savage's company.
> This group was started by a bunch of people interested in using the
> OOPic controller in their hobby projects and to share what they are
> doing to support "each other". Hence the term "User Group" and not
> "Savage Technical Support".
>
> You have been quick to help others and that I appreciate. That is what
> this group is for, to help each other.
>
> Anytime I have needed to get direct support from Savage, I have sent
> an e-mail and was provided an answer within a day or sometimes within
> an hour. That is not bad for a hobby product that cost less than
> $100.00.
>
> I belong to many other groups that discuss issues with micro
> controllers, and I do not expect the company who sells the products we
> use to provide technical support on the list group. If someone from
> that company chimes in then that is a bonus for us, but we do not
> expect it.
>
> User groups are normally independent of some company. We on this user
> group, except for a few, want to discuss our robots and MC projects
> using the OOPic.
>
> Savage has a technical support via e-mail directly to them. USE IT if
> it is that important to you. Otherwise, this group will try to help
> you if we can. Sometimes we can't because it is out of our control due
> to technical issues with the controller's embedded firmware, the OOpic
> compiler, or something we don't understand. When that happens, you
> need to send an e-mail to Savage Innovations to get direct help. That
> is how they are set up.
>
> This list group is not Savage's direct technical support hot-line. As
> much as you want it to be so, it is not.
>
> -Gary
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> >
> > Surfing the web?? Yahoo Groups will send every message from this
> > list to your inbox if you just configure your settings properly. If
> > you can handle 250 emails a day (and even if you can't), you can
> > handle the few that this list generates. But you haven't. For
> > nearly a month, you've ignored every plea for help and instead you
> > choose to waste your time replying to my post. Rather than
> > SUPPORTING YOUR CUSTOMERS, you and Scott have wasted time writing
> > missives directed at me, which provide absolutely no support for
> your
> > paying customers. And on top of it all, you try to peddle your
> > (latest) lame excuse about how you don't have time to surf the web.
> Sheesh.
> >
> >
> > At 03:19 AM 8/27/2008, theo570 wrote:
> > >No one has vanished Andy.. Someone checks in to this list every
> day or
> > >so. Company tech support is still through our direct email and
> those
> > >get first billing. I am always glad to answer questions via email.
> > >
> > >Please do keep in mind that list list is private and not ours. We
> > >support it as we can.
> > >
> > >I do apologize that we can only answer so many questions in a given
> > >period of time. I receive about 250 emails a day mostly centering
> on
> > >the ooPic, ooBug or some connected electrical question. That does
> not
> > >leave much time for surfing the web looking for more questions.
> > >
> > >Ted
> > >Savage Innovations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At 09:39 AM 8/24/2008, Mike Martin wrote:
> > > > >Ouch! I'm only a newbie here too but I sense there are still a
> lot of
> > > > >old and well respected lions here just licking their wounds
> in the
> > > > >shadows after a bit of a falling out in the group.
> > > >
> > > > More like not doing Scott's support work for him. We choose
> not to
> > > > be suckers. Notice how he and his new partner just up and
> > > > vanished? It's the same behaviour I've seen from him for the
> last
> > >five years.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...Andy
>
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On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:43 AM, ckelly.alternate wrote:

> Please excuse my denseness, but I've checked the oopic web site
> several times. All I found was a page saying that THIS group is the
> primary tech support location, and doesn't even give an email address
> for tech support. Could you please point me in the right direction
> for this "direct-email" support?

Not finding a direct support email address I wrote to Scott Savage=20=20
directly -- twice. No answer. Not even a, "please use this other email=20=20
address for support," message.

The ooBug looks really great to me. I need a bunch of them. I have=20=20
looked at the web site and can't find any substance about the API. I=20=20
am thinking it is very ooPIC-like but until I get some solid answers,=20=20
I am not going to send along any money.

--

Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
=97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry

PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

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(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Brian,

Scott gets tons of email and it is impossible for him to get to them=20
all in a timely fashion. Heck, we are partners and I don't count on=20
him returning my emails.

You know that I created the ooBug. In addition I am the SI=20
educational division and from talking with SS I beleive that is your=20
intended use? At least we talk about you... I do not have any emails=20
from you regarding any ooPic or ooBug topic? Feel free to shoot one=20
any time.

Ted
Savage Innovations
--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>
>=20
> On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:43 AM, ckelly.alternate wrote:
>=20
> > Please excuse my denseness, but I've checked the oopic web site
> > several times. All I found was a page saying that THIS group is=20
the
> > primary tech support location, and doesn't even give an email=20
address
> > for tech support. Could you please point me in the right direction
> > for this "direct-email" support?
>=20
> Not finding a direct support email address I wrote to Scott Savage=20=20
> directly -- twice. No answer. Not even a, "please use this other=20
email=20=20
> address for support," message.
>=20
> The ooBug looks really great to me. I need a bunch of them. I have=20=20
> looked at the web site and can't find any substance about the API.=20
I=20=20
> am thinking it is very ooPIC-like but until I get some solid=20
answers,=20=20
> I am not going to send along any money.
>=20
> --
>=20
> Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
> http://www.gbmontessori.com
>=20
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty=20
things . . .
> =97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry
>=20
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A=20
1B6C
>

------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Hey you could you post something to demonstrate how to use the
okeypad2 object, in code that was applicable. Check out my post if you
want more details.

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> Brian,
>=20
> Scott gets tons of email and it is impossible for him to get to them=20
> all in a timely fashion. Heck, we are partners and I don't count on=20
> him returning my emails.
>=20
> You know that I created the ooBug. In addition I am the SI=20
> educational division and from talking with SS I beleive that is your=20
> intended use? At least we talk about you... I do not have any emails=20
> from you regarding any ooPic or ooBug topic? Feel free to shoot one=20
> any time.
>=20
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>=20
>=20
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> >
> >=20
> > On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:43 AM, ckelly.alternate wrote:
> >=20
> > > Please excuse my denseness, but I've checked the oopic web site
> > > several times. All I found was a page saying that THIS group is=20
> the
> > > primary tech support location, and doesn't even give an email=20
> address
> > > for tech support. Could you please point me in the right direction
> > > for this "direct-email" support?
> >=20
> > Not finding a direct support email address I wrote to Scott Savage=20=20
> > directly -- twice. No answer. Not even a, "please use this other=20
> email=20=20
> > address for support," message.
> >=20
> > The ooBug looks really great to me. I need a bunch of them. I have=20=20
> > looked at the web site and can't find any substance about the API.=20
> I=20=20
> > am thinking it is very ooPIC-like but until I get some solid=20
> answers,=20=20
> > I am not going to send along any money.
> >=20
> > --
> >=20
> > Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
> > brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
> > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
> > http://www.gbmontessori.com
> >=20
> > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty=20
> things . . .
> > =EF=BF=BD Antoine de Saint-Exup=EF=BF=BDry
> >=20
> > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A=20
> 1B6C
>
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Ted,

I'm glad to see you here, responding to questions. However, I'm still=20
unable to find an support email address anywhere on the oopic web=20
site. Could you point me in the right direction?

I have sent an email by clicking on one of the "ask a question about=20
this product" buttons, but received no reply. I've also posted simple=20
questions here; you've ignored them, even while responding to Brian's=20
replies to my original questions?!?! (please see quote)

I'm sorry if this sounds negative, but I'm getting a little=20
frustrated. I'm not asking code questions or begging for features,=20
just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a customer=20
is TRYING to give you money, it seems someone ought to at least=20
answer their simple product questions.

Chris Kelly
c...@comcast.net
--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> Brian,
>=20
> Scott gets tons of email and it is impossible for him to get to=20
them=20
> all in a timely fashion. Heck, we are partners and I don't count on=20
> him returning my emails.
>=20
> You know that I created the ooBug. In addition I am the SI=20
> educational division and from talking with SS I beleive that is=20
your=20
> intended use? At least we talk about you... I do not have any=20
emails=20
> from you regarding any ooPic or ooBug topic? Feel free to shoot one=20
> any time.
>=20
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>=20
>=20
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> >
> >=20
> > On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:43 AM, ckelly.alternate wrote:
> >=20
> > > Please excuse my denseness, but I've checked the oopic web site
> > > several times. All I found was a page saying that THIS group is=20
> the
> > > primary tech support location, and doesn't even give an email=20
> address
> > > for tech support. Could you please point me in the right=20
direction
> > > for this "direct-email" support?
> >=20
> > Not finding a direct support email address I wrote to Scott=20
Savage=20=20
> > directly -- twice. No answer. Not even a, "please use this other=20
> email=20=20
> > address for support," message.
> >=20
> > The ooBug looks really great to me. I need a bunch of them. I=20
have=20=20
> > looked at the web site and can't find any substance about the=20
API.=20
> I=20=20
> > am thinking it is very ooPIC-like but until I get some solid=20
> answers,=20=20
> > I am not going to send along any money.
> >=20
> > --
> >=20
> > Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
> > brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
> > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
> > http://www.gbmontessori.com
> >=20
> > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty=20
> things . . .
> > =97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry
> >=20
> > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52=20
A32A=20
> 1B6C
>
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate" wrote:

> just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a > Chris
Kelly
> cybercat2@...
>

I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product is it you
wish to purchase or upgrade.

Ted
Savage Innovations
------------------------------------



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I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine is now
running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports, only usb.

1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista? Timeframe for
delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it doesn't
support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board? Programmable via
USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
converter?
3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run usb/vista?

Thanks,
Chris Kelly
c...@comcast.net

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate" wrote:
>
> > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a >
Chris
> Kelly
> > cybercat2@
> > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product is it
you
> wish to purchase or upgrade.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>

------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

About the VPC thing, It worked with our laptop. We just installed the
driver for the USB to serial cable and the we selected the COM port that the
cable was on, and the OOPic treated it like a normal serial cable. I think
the one we used was VPC 2006, but not sure. Look for one where you can
configure the COM port instead, or both.

___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics
group member
My Blog

-----Original Message-----
From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ckelly.alternate
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:59 PM
To: o...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [oopic] Re: Chris

I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine is now
running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports, only usb.

1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista? Timeframe for
delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it doesn't
support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board? Programmable via
USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
converter?
3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run usb/vista?

Thanks,
Chris Kelly
cybercat2@comcast. net

--- In oopic@yahoogroups. com, "theo570"
wrote:
>
> --- In oopic@yahoogroups. com,
"ckelly.alternate" wrote:
>
> > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a >
Chris
> Kelly
> > cybercat2@
> > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product is it
you
> wish to purchase or upgrade.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Chris,

Read back a month or so and see where I said something to the effect
of "I will work on a Vista version". So far not a lot of luck but if
it works I will post it if not I won't.

As to the rest.. I have never had any luck running any ooPic on a
Vista machine. I have tried just about everything with no luck yet I
know some users have found a way to make III+ go. I have an old xp
laptop that is my ooPic programmer only.

All I can say is try what Ray is suggesting.

Ted
Savage Innovations

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
wrote:
>
> I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine is
now
> running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports, only
usb.
>
> 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista? Timeframe
for
> delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it doesn't
> support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board? Programmable
via
> USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
> converter?
> 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
usb/vista?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Kelly
> cybercat2@...
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> >
> > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
wrote:
> >
> > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a >
> Chris
> > Kelly
> > > cybercat2@
> > >
> >
> > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product is
it
> you
> > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> >
> > Ted
> > Savage Innovations
>
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Ray,
That's really important info. Could you create a folder and post
detailed info into it so that others can follow? Also can you post to
the group where/where you do? It would be a great help.

Mike M

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ray xu" wrote:
>
> About the VPC thing, It worked with our laptop. We just installed
the
> driver for the USB to serial cable and the we selected the COM port
that the
> cable was on, and the OOPic treated it like a normal serial cable.
I think
> the one we used was VPC 2006, but not sure. Look for one where you
can
> configure the COM port instead, or both.
>
>
>
> ___________________
> Ray Xu
> rayxu@...
> DPRG member
> OOPic group member
> Seattle
Robotics
> group member
> My Blog -----Original Message-----
> From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> ckelly.alternate
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:59 PM
> To: o...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oopic] Re: Chris
>
>
>
> I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine is
now
> running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports, only
usb.
>
> 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista? Timeframe
for
> delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it doesn't
> support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board? Programmable
via
> USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
> converter?
> 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
usb/vista?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Kelly
> cybercat2@comcast. net
>
> --- In oopic@yahoogroups.
com, "theo570"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In oopic@yahoogroups. com,
> "ckelly.alternate" wrote:
> >
> > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a >
> Chris
> > Kelly
> > > cybercat2@
> > >
> >
> > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product is
it
> you
> > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> >
> > Ted
> > Savage Innovations
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Thanks for answering, Ted. At least now I've got some answers, even
if it's not what I wanted to hear.

As much as I hate to do it, I guess I'm going to have to move to
another vendor. I wouldn't mind "trying" the vpc, and using it until
the compiler is fixed. However, it looks like I'll have to buy a new
oopic, then try "buy & try" one or more usb>serial adapters, and
possible have to "buy & try" one or more serial>ttl adapters, all
running through a vpc that doesn't support usb or vista home premium,
on a compiler that may never get fixed. That's just too many
purchases and too much time for a product that might not work.

Thanks for your help, everybody. I'm sorry to have wasted everyone's
time.

Chris Kelly
ex-oopic experimenter

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Read back a month or so and see where I said something to the
effect
> of "I will work on a Vista version". So far not a lot of luck but
if
> it works I will post it if not I won't.
>
> As to the rest.. I have never had any luck running any ooPic on a
> Vista machine. I have tried just about everything with no luck yet
I
> know some users have found a way to make III+ go. I have an old xp
> laptop that is my ooPic programmer only.
>
> All I can say is try what Ray is suggesting.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> wrote:
> >
> > I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine
is
> now
> > running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports,
only
> usb.
> >
> > 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista? Timeframe
> for
> > delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it
doesn't
> > support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> > 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board?
Programmable
> via
> > USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
> > converter?
> > 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
> usb/vista?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris Kelly
> > cybercat2@
> >
> > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When a
>
> > Chris
> > > Kelly
> > > > cybercat2@
> > > >
> > >
> > > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product
is
> it
> > you
> > > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > > Savage Innovations
> > >
>
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

Another option is to build a live XP CD for programming the OOPic. I
have done this on several occasions. They take a little while to
load but work fine. I have some software that will rip the necessary
files from an XP install disc and make a live version. It is
freeware. All you have to have is an XP install disk somewhere.
This would let you use an actual XP OS without having to install it.

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
wrote:
>
> Thanks for answering, Ted. At least now I've got some answers, even
> if it's not what I wanted to hear.
>
> As much as I hate to do it, I guess I'm going to have to move to
> another vendor. I wouldn't mind "trying" the vpc, and using it
until
> the compiler is fixed. However, it looks like I'll have to buy a
new
> oopic, then try "buy & try" one or more usb>serial adapters, and
> possible have to "buy & try" one or more serial>ttl adapters, all
> running through a vpc that doesn't support usb or vista home
premium,
> on a compiler that may never get fixed. That's just too many
> purchases and too much time for a product that might not work.
>
> Thanks for your help, everybody. I'm sorry to have wasted
everyone's
> time.
>
> Chris Kelly
> ex-oopic experimenter
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Read back a month or so and see where I said something to the
> effect
> > of "I will work on a Vista version". So far not a lot of luck but
> if
> > it works I will post it if not I won't.
> >
> > As to the rest.. I have never had any luck running any ooPic on a
> > Vista machine. I have tried just about everything with no luck
yet
> I
> > know some users have found a way to make III+ go. I have an old
xp
> > laptop that is my ooPic programmer only.
> >
> > All I can say is try what Ray is suggesting.
> >
> > Ted
> > Savage Innovations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my machine
> is
> > now
> > > running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports,
> only
> > usb.
> > >
> > > 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista?
Timeframe
> > for
> > > delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it
> doesn't
> > > support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> > > 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board?
> Programmable
> > via
> > > USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a tested/recommended
> > > converter?
> > > 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
> > usb/vista?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chris Kelly
> > > cybercat2@
> > >
> > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase. When
a
> >
> > > Chris
> > > > Kelly
> > > > > cybercat2@
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What product
> is
> > it
> > > you
> > > > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > Ted
> > > > Savage Innovations
> > > >
> > >
>
------------------------------------



(You need to be a member of oopic -- send a blank email to oopic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )

I'm running on a new Compaq laptop. When I inquired about switching
it to XP (I hate vista!), HP said it didn't offer an xp config, and
not all drivers were even available. By throwing enough time (and
money for serial adapters) at the problem, I *might* be able to get
enough stuff working to run it, but again, that's not the point. Ted
only addressed my Vista questions with a "maybe", and the other
questions about S & R boards, USB and serial weren't addressed at all.

I've worked with oopics before (successfully, even!). I've got
sensors and servos lying around, and I really want to write some oo-
code to do some things. My son has been pestering me for a long time
to help him build a robot.

However, I'm just not willing to spend money and time just to try to
get the package to run at all (maybe); I consider that to be a vendor
issue. If SI isn't going to actively support Vista or USB, then the
product is dead, and it's time to move on to a vendor and product
that does get support, even though I think that this was, at one
time, the best product on the market.

Chris

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "tinslwc" wrote:
>
> Another option is to build a live XP CD for programming the OOPic.
I
> have done this on several occasions. They take a little while to
> load but work fine. I have some software that will rip the
necessary
> files from an XP install disc and make a live version. It is
> freeware. All you have to have is an XP install disk somewhere.
> This would let you use an actual XP OS without having to install it.
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for answering, Ted. At least now I've got some answers,
even
> > if it's not what I wanted to hear.
> >
> > As much as I hate to do it, I guess I'm going to have to move to
> > another vendor. I wouldn't mind "trying" the vpc, and using it
> until
> > the compiler is fixed. However, it looks like I'll have to buy a
> new
> > oopic, then try "buy & try" one or more usb>serial adapters, and
> > possible have to "buy & try" one or more serial>ttl adapters, all
> > running through a vpc that doesn't support usb or vista home
> premium,
> > on a compiler that may never get fixed. That's just too many
> > purchases and too much time for a product that might not work.
> >
> > Thanks for your help, everybody. I'm sorry to have wasted
> everyone's
> > time.
> >
> > Chris Kelly
> > ex-oopic experimenter
> >
> > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Read back a month or so and see where I said something to the
> > effect
> > > of "I will work on a Vista version". So far not a lot of luck
but
> > if
> > > it works I will post it if not I won't.
> > >
> > > As to the rest.. I have never had any luck running any ooPic on
a
> > > Vista machine. I have tried just about everything with no luck
> yet
> > I
> > > know some users have found a way to make III+ go. I have an old
> xp
> > > laptop that is my ooPic programmer only.
> > >
> > > All I can say is try what Ray is suggesting.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > > Savage Innovations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my
machine
> > is
> > > now
> > > > running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel ports,
> > only
> > > usb.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista?
> Timeframe
> > > for
> > > > delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it
> > doesn't
> > > > support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> > > > 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board?
> > Programmable
> > > via
> > > > USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a
tested/recommended
> > > > converter?
> > > > 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
> > > usb/vista?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Chris Kelly
> > > > cybercat2@
> > > >
> > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"

> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase.
When
> a
> > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > cybercat2@
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What
product
> > is
> > > it
> > > > you
> > > > > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted
> > > > > Savage Innovations
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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Chris,

Our new product line is designed to work on Vista and USB.

I can understand your dissapointment that the older product does not
work with Vista. It dissapoints lots of us.

Here is what I know for sure - some can make the R c1.1 work USB on
vista, for some reason it has a lot to do with the USB driver. (I
have yet to find a driver that does).

Your question 2 - no.

Keep in mind Vista was launced after the ooPic. We worked well with
the system we were designed to run on. The ooPic was never designed
to run on Vista and we just can't see the need to patch together an
old product when it was much eaiser to create a fresh new product
that is compatible, faster, more powerful etc.

Ted
Savage Innovations

--- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
wrote:
>
> I'm running on a new Compaq laptop. When I inquired about switching
> it to XP (I hate vista!), HP said it didn't offer an xp config, and
> not all drivers were even available. By throwing enough time (and
> money for serial adapters) at the problem, I *might* be able to get
> enough stuff working to run it, but again, that's not the point.
Ted
> only addressed my Vista questions with a "maybe", and the other
> questions about S & R boards, USB and serial weren't addressed at
all.
>
> I've worked with oopics before (successfully, even!). I've got
> sensors and servos lying around, and I really want to write some oo-
> code to do some things. My son has been pestering me for a long
time
> to help him build a robot.
>
> However, I'm just not willing to spend money and time just to try
to
> get the package to run at all (maybe); I consider that to be a
vendor
> issue. If SI isn't going to actively support Vista or USB, then the
> product is dead, and it's time to move on to a vendor and product
> that does get support, even though I think that this was, at one
> time, the best product on the market.
>
> Chris
>
> --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "tinslwc" wrote:
> >
> > Another option is to build a live XP CD for programming the
OOPic.
> I
> > have done this on several occasions. They take a little while to
> > load but work fine. I have some software that will rip the
> necessary
> > files from an XP install disc and make a live version. It is
> > freeware. All you have to have is an XP install disk somewhere.
> > This would let you use an actual XP OS without having to install
it.
> >
> > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for answering, Ted. At least now I've got some answers,
> even
> > > if it's not what I wanted to hear.
> > >
> > > As much as I hate to do it, I guess I'm going to have to move
to
> > > another vendor. I wouldn't mind "trying" the vpc, and using it
> > until
> > > the compiler is fixed. However, it looks like I'll have to buy
a
> > new
> > > oopic, then try "buy & try" one or more usb>serial adapters,
and
> > > possible have to "buy & try" one or more serial>ttl adapters,
all
> > > running through a vpc that doesn't support usb or vista home
> > premium,
> > > on a compiler that may never get fixed. That's just too many
> > > purchases and too much time for a product that might not work.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help, everybody. I'm sorry to have wasted
> > everyone's
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Chris Kelly
> > > ex-oopic experimenter
> > >
> > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chris,
> > > >
> > > > Read back a month or so and see where I said something to the
> > > effect
> > > > of "I will work on a Vista version". So far not a lot of luck
> but
> > > if
> > > > it works I will post it if not I won't.
> > > >
> > > > As to the rest.. I have never had any luck running any ooPic
on
> a
> > > > Vista machine. I have tried just about everything with no
luck
> > yet
> > > I
> > > > know some users have found a way to make III+ go. I have an
old
> > xp
> > > > laptop that is my ooPic programmer only.
> > > >
> > > > All I can say is try what Ray is suggesting.
> > > >
> > > > Ted
> > > > Savage Innovations
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got an old oopic2b1.0 on an "s" board. However, my
> machine
> > > is
> > > > now
> > > > > running Vista Home Premium, with no serial or parallel
ports,
> > > only
> > > > usb.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Is there going to be a compiler to run under Vista?
> > Timeframe
> > > > for
> > > > > delivery? Someone suggested XP under VirtualPC2007, but it
> > > doesn't
> > > > > support usb, so a usb>serial device wouldn't work.
> > > > > 2. Assuming 1 above, will a oopic3+ run on my s-board?
> > > Programmable
> > > > via
> > > > > USB using a usb>serial converter? Is there a
> tested/recommended
> > > > > converter?
> > > > > 3. If not, is ther a 3+ version of the r-board? Will it run
> > > > usb/vista?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Chris Kelly
> > > > > cybercat2@
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "theo570" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In o...@yahoogroups.com, "ckelly.alternate"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > just trying to find a product or upgrade to purchase.
> When
> > a
> > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > > cybercat2@
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I must have missed the original question, sorry. What
> product
> > > is
> > > > it
> > > > > you
> > > > > > wish to purchase or upgrade.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ted
> > > > > > Savage Innovations
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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Since I just saw the Email of that we are moving, should I wait until that
group is up and post it there? I will re-install the VPC back onto my
laptop when I get a chance. I also have school to get through right now as
well...

Ray Xu

-----Original Message-----
From: o...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:o...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Martin
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:42 AM
To: o...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [oopic] Re: Chris

Ray,
That's really important info. Could you create a folder and post
detailed info into it so that others can follow? Also can you post to
the group where/where you do? It would be a great help.

Mike M

--- In oopic@yahoogroups. com, "ray xu"
wrote:
>
> About the VPC thing, It worked with our laptop. We just installed
the
> driver for the USB to serial cable and the we selected the COM port
that the
> cable was on, and the OOPic treated it like a normal serial cable.
I think
> the one we used was VPC 2006, but not sure. Look for one where you
can
> configure the COM port instead, or both.
>
> ___________________
> Ray Xu
> rayxu@...
> DPRG org> member
> OOPic
groups.yahoo.com/group/oopic/> group member
> Seattle