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CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - bacha bacha - Dec 19 16:45:37 2006
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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Re: CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - dlc - Dec 19 23:41:51 2006
I have experience with two C compilers, the CCS C and C18 from
Microchip. CCS has truly excellent hardware abstraction and "bit bang"
peripheral support, the best I've seen anywhere, but they don't use a
linker and there is NO third party library support because of that. I
also feel that their interrupt support on the 18F series chips is truly
crippled - But that can be overcome with good programming directly to
the hardware (you don't need assembly to do that.) C18 is a very good C
compiler with very good optimization, but it is $500 so a bit pricey.
C18 uses a linker so you can actually get third party library support on
it and lots of good code is written for C18.
HiTec C is about as expensive as C18, and about as much code is written
for it. It does use a linker and so has optional libraries available
for it. It is a good compiler, but like Microchip, you will pay for it,
pay a LOT for it.
I've never used MicroC.
My recommendation is that if you are a hobbyist doing smallish projects
for the 16F or 18F PICs that CCS is perfectly good. My BIGGEST gripe
with CCS is that after two years, you've spent as much on it as you
would have on Microchip since upgrade support costs $100 a year on top
of the $150 or $175 initial cost of the compiler.
Microchip doesn't have a C compiler for the 16F series so you'll need to
look elsewhere. HiTec is just too expensive for the hobbyist, but they
have a crippled free version for non-commercial work. If you are doing
hobbyist work, just get the CCS compiler. You get only 30
days of support downloads, but the compiler is pretty solid right now
and you'd only need support updates for new chips with special hardware
in them, otherwise, the compiler will work fine for newer chips if you
play with config files since PIC assembly is the same across all of the
parts within a series.
DLC
bacha bacha wrote:
> i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
> whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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Microchip. CCS has truly excellent hardware abstraction and "bit bang"
peripheral support, the best I've seen anywhere, but they don't use a
linker and there is NO third party library support because of that. I
also feel that their interrupt support on the 18F series chips is truly
crippled - But that can be overcome with good programming directly to
the hardware (you don't need assembly to do that.) C18 is a very good C
compiler with very good optimization, but it is $500 so a bit pricey.
C18 uses a linker so you can actually get third party library support on
it and lots of good code is written for C18.
HiTec C is about as expensive as C18, and about as much code is written
for it. It does use a linker and so has optional libraries available
for it. It is a good compiler, but like Microchip, you will pay for it,
pay a LOT for it.
I've never used MicroC.
My recommendation is that if you are a hobbyist doing smallish projects
for the 16F or 18F PICs that CCS is perfectly good. My BIGGEST gripe
with CCS is that after two years, you've spent as much on it as you
would have on Microchip since upgrade support costs $100 a year on top
of the $150 or $175 initial cost of the compiler.
Microchip doesn't have a C compiler for the 16F series so you'll need to
look elsewhere. HiTec is just too expensive for the hobbyist, but they
have a crippled free version for non-commercial work. If you are doing
hobbyist work, just get the CCS compiler. You get
days of support downloads, but the compiler is pretty solid right now
and you'd only need support updates for new chips with special hardware
in them, otherwise, the compiler will work fine for newer chips if you
play with config files since PIC assembly is the same across all of the
parts within a series.
DLC
bacha bacha wrote:
> i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
> whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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www.techtoystoday.com
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Re: CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - Paul Snuggs - Dec 22 19:47:43 2006
I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
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whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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Re: CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - Peter Vincent - Dec 23 5:41:30 2006
i use this http://www.mikroe.com/ the suport is excellent and the price is good updates
are free for life
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Snuggs
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
----- Original Message -----
From: bacha bacha
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Snuggs
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
----- Original Message -----
From: bacha bacha
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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RE: CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - Bert Drake - Dec 23 14:05:01 2006
The SourceBoost compilers are fairly inexpensive, and I've had good luck
with them.
http://www.sourceboost.com/home.html
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From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Peter Vincent
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:13 AM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i use this http://www.mikroe.com/ the suport is excellent and the price is
good updates are free for life
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Snuggs
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
----- Original Message -----
From: bacha bacha
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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with them.
http://www.sourceboost.com/home.html
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From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Peter Vincent
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:13 AM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i use this http://www.mikroe.com/ the suport is excellent and the price is
good updates are free for life
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Snuggs
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
----- Original Message -----
From: bacha bacha
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
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Re: CCS vs MicroC or HitecC - dlc - Dec 23 17:11:26 2006
These guys look great for hobbyist stuff - As soon as you get to
commercial then they are as expensive as Microchip and more expensive as
CCS. They do have a good selection however.
DLC
Bert Drake wrote:
> The SourceBoost compilers are fairly inexpensive, and I've had good luck
> with them.
>
> http://www.sourceboost.com/home.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com]*On
> Behalf Of *Peter Vincent
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:13 AM
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> i use this http://www.mikroe.com/
> suport is excellent and the price is good updates are free for life
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Snuggs
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
>
> Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* bacha bacha
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
> *Subject:* [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
> whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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www.techtoystoday.com
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commercial then they are as expensive as Microchip and more expensive as
CCS. They do have a good selection however.
DLC
Bert Drake wrote:
> The SourceBoost compilers are fairly inexpensive, and I've had good luck
> with them.
>
> http://www.sourceboost.com/home.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com]*On
> Behalf Of *Peter Vincent
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2006 3:13 AM
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> i use this http://www.mikroe.com/
> suport is excellent and the price is good updates are free for life
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Snuggs
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> I use Wiz-C from www.fored.co.uk
>
> Has very good simulation features in the IDE.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* bacha bacha
> *To:* p...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:44 PM
> *Subject:* [piclist] CCS vs MicroC or HitecC
>
> i am plannig to buy one c compiler with its hardware.
> whitch compiler do you recommend? thanks...
>
> __________________________________________________
>
--
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www.techtoystoday.com
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