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Discussion Groups | Piclist | Re: USB PIC Programmer

A discussion group for the PICMicro microcontroller. Also called the Microchip PIC, this list is dedicated to the use and abuse of this fine, simple, microcontroller. Close to topic posts are welcome, ie. general electronics.

USB PIC Programmer - Steven - Sep 24 12:35:00 2003

Has anyone had any experience with USB based pic programmers?

I have been using a modified NOPPP but the programming speed is
getting to be a hassle. It takes way to long to program a 2k chip.
The chips that I am using are the 16F628,877,84/A.

If anyone could express there opions on these programmers I would be
thankful.




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RE: USB PIC Programmer - Wouter van Ooijen - Sep 24 13:18:00 2003

> Has anyone had any experience with USB based pic programmers?

Do you want ICSP or ex-circuit? Wisp628 is a serial port ICSP
programmer, works fine with either a standard USb-to-serial converter or
an FT232BM chip.

Wouter van Ooijen

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Re: USB PIC Programmer - Steven - Sep 24 18:21:00 2003

--- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...>
wrote:
> > Has anyone had any experience with USB based pic programmers?
>
> Do you want ICSP or ex-circuit? Wisp628 is a serial port ICSP
> programmer, works fine with either a standard USb-to-serial
converter or
> an FT232BM chip.
>
> Wouter van Ooijen I don't really need ICSP. An external chip development system is
all that I need.

I have looked at the KIT149 that a few places have carried but I
can't find any reviews. I would like a more stable development
system then the little programmer that I have been using.

What are the good serial programmers that are out there?

> -- -------------------------------------------
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RE: Re: USB PIC Programmer - Wouter van Ooijen - Sep 25 2:31:00 2003

> I don't really need ICSP. An external chip development system is
> all that I need.

It's not about need, Wisp628 is about tyhe cheapest reliable programmer,
but it does flash ICSP only.

> I have looked at the KIT149 that a few places have carried but I
> can't find any reviews. I would like a more stable development
> system then the little programmer that I have been using.

Just about any programmer that is not serial-port powered or
parallel-port based will probably be more stable. Note that the point is
serial port *powered*, not serial-port based in itself.

> What are the good serial programmers that are out there?

a few: Wisp628, WarpXX, KIT149 (+another one in that series), PicStart+
(not updated for all flash PICs yet).

Wouter van Ooijen

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Re: USB PIC Programmer - sergio masci - Sep 25 8:09:00 2003

> I don't really need ICSP. An external chip development system is
> all that I need.
>
> I have looked at the KIT149 that a few places have carried but I
> can't find any reviews. I would like a more stable development
> system then the little programmer that I have been using.
>
> What are the good serial programmers that are out there? Wisp628 - I use one and would recommend it.

Being able to program the PIC while it is in the target circuit is a real
help. Having to move the PIC between the target and the circuit for every
small change becomes a real pain after a while and sooner or latter
something (usually the PICs leads or the chip carrier in the target) will
break or become unreliable.

I don't understand what all the fuss about USB is either. Sooner or later a
PIC "experimenter" is going to want to get the PIC talking directly to a PC
and 99.9% of the time s/he is going to want to do it using RS232. Anyone
that doesn't have an RS232 serial port on their machine can either get a USB
to RS232C converter or pick up a second hand machine really cheaply on ebay
(sometimes for less than the cost of the converter). BTW you can also buy a
brand new Cybiko (with RS232, graphics LCD, keyboard and RF comms) for
around 20 GBP (about 30 USD) and use that as a dedicated terminal or
intelligent LCD for your serial enabled PIC project.

Regards
Sergio Masci

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.




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