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Discussion Groups | Piclist | Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Wisp628

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Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - RobertV - Nov 14 9:53:00 2003


Hi all,
I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had for a while
and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D interfacing.
I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and now would
like to upgrade my programmer.

Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most devices?
Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the S/W
doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.

Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header to
allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.

Any thoughts folks?

Robert Current System
Windows 2000AS SP5
MPLAP 6.3
JDM interface
IC-PROG 1.04A

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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Leon Heller - Nov 14 10:26:00 2003


----- Original Message -----
From: "RobertV" <>
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Subject: [piclist] Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A.
Hi all,
I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had for a while
and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D interfacing.
I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and now would
like to upgrade my programmer.

Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most devices?
Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the S/W
doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.

Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header to
allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.

I use the JDM programmer (I've got a PCB design for it on my web site) for
the 'F628 and 'F84. I had to modify the original circuit slightly for 'F628.

Leon
--
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Email:
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RE: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Wouter van Ooijen - Nov 14 10:55:00 2003

> Looked at the Wisp device but the S/W
> doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.

?

XWisp works an 98/98se if you install an older (2.1) Python.

Also check XWisp2 (http://www.robh.nl/PICSOFT.HTM), there is a dos-32
command line version.

Wouter van Ooijen

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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Scott Lee - Nov 14 10:58:00 2003

If you really don't mind spending close to $100 then how about a
warp13? I know you can get them state-side for under $90 with a
wall wart included. It's PicStart compatible so it works with the
MPLAB IDE without a hitch.

I've had mine for about three months and have been very happy with
it. One of the main reasons I chose it was because of the wide
range of devices it will program. I've only beening using the ZIF
and haven't yet tried ICSP. I know it has a header for it but my
understanding is that it really wasn't designed for it but people
have used it with success. (My understanding is that some people
have had to do minor tweaks like put some small series resistors at
the programmer end of the leads to reduce edge related noise.)

--Scott

--- In , RobertV <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had for
a while
> and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D
interfacing.
> I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and
now would
> like to upgrade my programmer.
>
> Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most
devices?
> Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the
S/W
> doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
>
> Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header to
> allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.
>
> Any thoughts folks?
>
> Robert > Current System
> Windows 2000AS SP5
> MPLAP 6.3
> JDM interface
> IC-PROG 1.04A
>
> --
> "The man who can make a good tag line is a man better than I."
Robertv!




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Re: Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Dennis Clark - Nov 14 11:31:00 2003

I second that - it even works directly with MPLAB and doesn't have
all those parallel port issues either.

DLC

Scott Lee wrote:
> If you really don't mind spending close to $100 then how about a
> warp13? I know you can get them state-side for under $90 with a
> wall wart included. It's PicStart compatible so it works with the
> MPLAB IDE without a hitch.
>
> I've had mine for about three months and have been very happy with
> it. One of the main reasons I chose it was because of the wide
> range of devices it will program. I've only beening using the ZIF
> and haven't yet tried ICSP. I know it has a header for it but my
> understanding is that it really wasn't designed for it but people
> have used it with success. (My understanding is that some people
> have had to do minor tweaks like put some small series resistors at
> the programmer end of the leads to reduce edge related noise.)
>
> --Scott
>
> --- In , RobertV <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had for
>
> a while
>
>>and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D
>
> interfacing.
>
>>I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and
>
> now would
>
>>like to upgrade my programmer.
>>
>>Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most
>
> devices?
>
>>Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the
>
> S/W
>
>>doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
>>
>>Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header to
>>allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.
>>
>>Any thoughts folks?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>Current System
>>Windows 2000AS SP5
>>MPLAP 6.3
>>JDM interface
>>IC-PROG 1.04A
>>
>>--
>>"The man who can make a good tag line is a man better than I."
>
> Robertv! >
> to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions
>
>
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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - techy fellow - Nov 14 12:10:00 2003

Hi all,
 
Not sure whether you guys heard about kits from 'Kitsrus.com' ( www.kitsrus.com ). They have lots of programmers for PICs and AVRs. Here are some of the models that might interest you. They can program the following PIC models;
 
12C508 12C508A 12C509 12C509A 12C671 12C672 12CE673 12CE674 12F629 12F675 16C505 16C554 16C558 16C61 16C62 16C62A 16C62B 16C63 16C63A 16C64 16C64A 16C65 16C65A 16C65B 16C66 16C66A 16C67 16C71 16C71A 16C710 16C711 16C72 16C72A 16C73 16C73A 16C74 16C74A 16C74B 16C83 16C84 16F627 16F627A 16F628 16F628A 16F648A 16F73 16F74 16F76 16F77 16F83 16F84 16F84A 16F630 16F676 16F870 16F871 16F872 16F873 16F873A 16F874 16F874A 16F876 16F876A 16F877 16F877A 18F242 18F248 18F252 18F258 18F442 18F448 18F452 18F458 24LC256 24LC515 24C01 24C02 24C04 24C08 24C16
 
The model of the kits are 128 (USB and also powered by USB port hence, no power needed - I am using this one), 149A, 149B (with ISP), 150 (latest).
 
If you are willing to spend a bit more, you can consider kit 96 & 119 and 117 and 144 (latest) which are from Bojan Dobaj). From their website, the kit 144 can even program some AVRs and SX. Cool ! http://www.picallw.com/
 
They constantly update their software to support more PIC/ AVR family. I noticed that these kits are available at other Electronics retailers say, Dontronics, but they usually renamed the kit model using their own reference. For example, 3144 for Kit128 at Quasar.
 
cheers,
Davis

Dennis Clark <d...@frii.com> wrote:
I second that - it even works directly with MPLAB and doesn't have
all those parallel port issues either.

DLC

Scott Lee wrote:
> If you really don't mind spending close to $100 then how about a
> warp13?  I know you can get them state-side for under $90 with a
> wall wart included.  It's PicStart compatible so it works with the
> MPLAB IDE without a hitch.
>
> I've had mine for about three months and have been very happy with
> it.  One of the main reasons I chose it was because of the wide
> range of devices it will program.  I've only beening using the ZIF
> and haven't yet tried ICSP.  I know it has a header for it but my
> understanding is that it really wasn't designed for it but people
> have used it with success.  (My understanding is that some people
> have had to do minor tweaks like put some small series resistors at
> the programmer end of the leads to reduce edge related noise.)
>
> --Scott
>
> --- In p...@yahoogroups.com, RobertV <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>I current program using my old stock of  F84A's that I've had for
>
> a while
>
>>and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D
>
> interfacing.
>
>>I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and
>
> now would
>
>>like to upgrade my programmer.
>>
>>Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most
>
> devices?
>
>>Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the
>
> S/W
>
>>doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
>>
>>Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header to
>>allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.
>>
>>Any thoughts folks?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>Current System
>>Windows 2000AS SP5
>>MPLAP 6.3
>>JDM interface
>>IC-PROG 1.04A
>>
>>--
>>"The man who can make a good tag line is a man better than I."
>
> Robertv!>
> to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions
>
>
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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Steve - Nov 14 12:12:00 2003

I third that recommendation for the Warp 13. It's certainly well under
100 pounds. I think I ordered mine from Australia and it got here
quickly, Washington State, USA.

Steve Greenfield

--- In , "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
> If you really don't mind spending close to $100 then how about a
> warp13? I know you can get them state-side for under $90 with a
> wall wart included. It's PicStart compatible so it works with the
> MPLAB IDE without a hitch.




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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Dave Mucha - Nov 14 13:56:00 2003

--- In , "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
> If you really don't mind spending close to $100 then how about a
> warp13? I know you can get them state-side for under $90 with a
> wall wart included. It's PicStart compatible so it works with the
> MPLAB IDE without a hitch.
>
> I've had mine for about three months and have been very happy with
> it. One of the main reasons I chose it was because of the wide
> range of devices it will program. I've only beening using the ZIF
> and haven't yet tried ICSP. I know it has a header for it but my
> understanding is that it really wasn't designed for it but people
> have used it with success. (My understanding is that some people
> have had to do minor tweaks like put some small series resistors at
> the programmer end of the leads to reduce edge related noise.)
>
> --Scott I saw some notes on the warp13 homepage about different mods for
different reasons.

Dave > --- In , RobertV <mail@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had for
> a while
> > and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D
> interfacing.
> > I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment and
> now would
> > like to upgrade my programmer.
> >
> > Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most
> devices?
> > Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but the
> S/W
> > doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
> >
> > Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a header
to
> > allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.
> >
> > Any thoughts folks?
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > Current System
> > Windows 2000AS SP5
> > MPLAP 6.3
> > JDM interface
> > IC-PROG 1.04A
> >
> > --
> > "The man who can make a good tag line is a man better than I."
> Robertv!




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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Wisp628 - Dave Mucha - Nov 14 14:00:00 2003

--- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...>
wrote:
> > Looked at the Wisp device but the S/W
> > doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
>
> ?
>
> XWisp works an 98/98se if you install an older (2.1) Python.
>
> Also check XWisp2 (http://www.robh.nl/PICSOFT.HTM), there is a dos-
32
> command line version.
>
> Wouter van Ooijen These might be alternatives,

Software to run the programmer

Wisp (DOS)

XWisp (DOS - Python required)

WinWisp (Python required)
http://www.geocities.com/gabrielszb/winwisp.htm Bumblebee (Java required)
http://home.hccnet.nl/d.a.kuipers/pic/bumblebee/ I am not sure of the compatabilities of any of these, but in my
researching of the Wisp628, these were mentioned on the
www.ottawarobotics.org/other.html
web page. (which seems to be down for the moment.)

Dave




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Re: Want a new programmer for F676 and F84A. - Scott Lee - Nov 20 0:44:00 2003

Just thought I would follow up...

I had a chance to use the Warp13 with ICSP and it's working without
a hitch. I did keep the leads rather short -- about 6". That may
have helped eleviate the problems that have required some people to
do mods (such as adding small series resistors to the clock and data
lines near the source to reduce ringing) in order to get ICSP to
work.

--Scott

--- In , "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote:
> --- In , "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
> > I've had mine for about three months and have been very happy
with
> > it. One of the main reasons I chose it was because of the wide
> > range of devices it will program. I've only beening using the
ZIF
> > and haven't yet tried ICSP. I know it has a header for it but
my
> > understanding is that it really wasn't designed for it but
people
> > have used it with success. (My understanding is that some
people
> > have had to do minor tweaks like put some small series resistors
at
> > the programmer end of the leads to reduce edge related noise.)
> >
> > --Scott > I saw some notes on the warp13 homepage about different mods for
> different reasons.
>
> Dave >
>
> >
> > --- In , RobertV <mail@m...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I current program using my old stock of F84A's that I've had
for
> > a while
> > > and am now at the stage where I need to experiment with A/D
> > interfacing.
> > > I've just purchased a few F676's for a bit of an experiment
and
> > now would
> > > like to upgrade my programmer.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on a new budget programmer to cover there/most
> > devices?
> > > Prefer to spend under $100/£75. Looked at the Wisp device but
the
> > S/W
> > > doesn't work under 2000 which is a pain.
> > >
> > > Second thoughts are to buy bits and make a new JDM with a
header
> to
> > > allow connection to any IC's with greater ease.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts folks?
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > Current System
> > > Windows 2000AS SP5
> > > MPLAP 6.3
> > > JDM interface
> > > IC-PROG 1.04A
> > >
> > > --
> > > "The man who can make a good tag line is a man better than I."
> > Robertv!



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