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18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? - Fredrik Krook - Jan 17 15:03:00 2004
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Hi!
Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it
has to bee ready to send to manufacture by next week... :/
Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library
since 2002 on Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
//Fredrik ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
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Re: 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? - Leon Heller - Jan 17 15:36:00 2004
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredrik Krook" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? Hi! Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to send to manufacture by next week... :/ Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Email: My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html |
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Re: 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? - Fredrik Krook - Jan 17 16:08:00 2004
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Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library arnt that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... My question was if someone had these allready made... //Fredrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Heller" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > Hi! > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > Leon > -- > Leon Heller, G1HSM > Email: > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
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Re: 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? - Michael Puchol - Jan 17 17:23:00 2004
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Hi, Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with the basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the footprints and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and easily found. If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create a pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit "longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1 zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is also a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them. Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the saved footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done. Good luck, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredrik Krook" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library arnt > that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... > > My question was if someone had these allready made... > > //Fredrik > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Heller" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > > To: <> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > Hi! > > > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to > > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like > that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with > Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin > names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > > > Leon > > -- > > Leon Heller, G1HSM > > Email: > > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > > http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > instructions > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krooksgraden.se > ************************************************************************* > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions |
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Re: 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? - Fredrik Krook - Jan 18 7:33:00 2004
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Hi! Thanks! Ill have a try at it... //Fredrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Puchol" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > Hi, > > Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with the > basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the footprints > and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and easily > found. > > If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create a > pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit > "longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start > with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click > on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1 > zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension > lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is also > a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as > they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you > make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array > pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them. > > Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just > number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the saved > footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done. > > Good luck, > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library > arnt > > that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... > > > > My question was if someone had these allready made... > > > > //Fredrik > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leon Heller" <> > > To: <> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > > > To: <> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > > > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready > to > > > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > > > > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > > > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like > > that > > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with > > Protel. > > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin > > names > > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > > > > > Leon > > > -- > > > Leon Heller, G1HSM > > > Email: > > > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > > > http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > > instructions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > Krooksgraden.se > > ************************************************************************* > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > instructions > > > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
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Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Dave Mucha - Jan 18 11:29:00 2004
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> > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the simple one to use. Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and problems ? I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume from that point. Dave |
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Re: Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Leon Heller - Jan 18 11:45:00 2004
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mucha" <> To: <> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [piclist] Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part > like that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer > with Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the > pin names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and > some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the > simple one to use. > > Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and > problems ? > > I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy > it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace > feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume > from that point. Have a look at EasyPC (http://www.numberone.com) and Pulsonix (http://www.pulsonix.com). Pulsonix is the pro product (same co.). Both the autorouters allow you to stop, route manually and then resume autorouting. Both products are very reliable and easy to use: the Yahoo Pulsonix group I formed gets very little use. I used EasyPC for years and am a beta tester for Pulsonix. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Email: My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller/lpc2104.html |
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Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Phil - Jan 18 12:43:00 2004
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Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board houses take Eagle files directly. I can create a complex part in Eagle in about the same 20 minutes. Especially if there is already a part drawing in a lib somewhere (which there is for most PICs). --- In , "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote: > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part > like that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer > with Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the > pin names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and > some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the > simple one to use. > > Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and > problems ? > > I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy > it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace > feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume > from that point. > > Dave |
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RE: Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Wouter van Ooijen - Jan 18 13:07:00 2004
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> Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board > houses take Eagle files directly. I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not exactly the same as optimized for a new user to learn! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Phil - Jan 18 15:04:00 2004
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I'm not disagreeing with you but it is very feasible to build a UI that is both easy to learn and has power for the experienced user. I get cranky when I have to relearn eagle after a month or 2 hiatus. I think eagle's UI evolved from a command line interface (it feels that way to me) and thus the GUI was sort of bolted on later. Phil --- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...> wrote: > > Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once > > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board > > houses take Eagle files directly. > > I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle > interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not exactly the > same as optimized for a new user to learn! > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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Re: Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Aaron Carlson - Jan 20 12:41:00 2004
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Maybe its just me but it only took me about 30 minutes to
learn eagle without reading a single page of documentation. I think
it was REALLY weird at first and not the same interface as most windows
applications (actually most applications, period). However, once
you figure it out (which doesn't take that long, really) the software is
very homogenous and well-thought out. Also, I'd suggest the book
"Build Your Own Printed Circuit Board" by "Al
Williams". I picked this up recently as it goes through the
whole design process and features eagle. -Aaron At 12:04 PM 1/18/2004, you wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you but it is very feasible to build a UI |
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Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? - Phil - Jan 20 16:19:00 2004
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so, you figured out the clipboard interface right off the bat? You're a better man than I... --- In , Aaron Carlson <syplex@g...> wrote: > Maybe its just me but it only took me about 30 minutes to learn eagle > without reading a single page of documentation. I think it was REALLY > weird at first and not the same interface as most windows applications > (actually most applications, period). However, once you figure it out > (which doesn't take that long, really) the software is very homogenous and > well-thought out. Also, I'd suggest the book "Build Your Own Printed > Circuit Board" by "Al Williams". I picked this up recently as it goes > through the whole design process and features eagle. > > -Aaron > > At 12:04 PM 1/18/2004, you wrote: > >I'm not disagreeing with you but it is very feasible to build a UI > >that is both easy to learn and has power for the experienced user. I > >get cranky when I have to relearn eagle after a month or 2 hiatus. > > > >I think eagle's UI evolved from a command line interface (it feels > >that way to me) and thus the GUI was sort of bolted on later. > > > >Phil > > > >--- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...> > >wrote: > > > > Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, > >once > > > > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board > > > > houses take Eagle files directly. > > > > > > I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle > > > interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not > >exactly the > > > same as optimized for a new user to learn! > > > > > > Wouter van Ooijen > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------- > > > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > > > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > > > > > >to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions > > > > > |
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hi - peter hadge - Jan 21 10:08:00 2004
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how could i use a relay with a PIC to control 8 switches, so
that each time 1 is closed, or if i had 2 networkes each with
4 switches and each time 1 is closed ??
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RE: hi - Wouter van Ooijen - Jan 21 10:22:00 2004
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>
how could i use a relay with a PIC to control
8 switches, so that each time 1 is closed, or if i had 2
networkes each with 4 switches and each time 1 is closed ??
For a
start, try to give a good explanation of what you nedd, I can't make any sense of
this. Note: correct english helps but is certainly not an absolute
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Re: hi - Phil - Jan 21 10:55:00 2004
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Unfortunately, Wouter, us Americans don't know English. It's amazing that we understand each other at all. Peter, Controlling a switch is a non-sequiter. Do you mean controlling 8 relays or reading 8 switches? One is inputs, the other outputs. Its a good idea to keep them straight for us literalists (PICliteralisters). By the way, in both cases there are hundreds of examples out there. Google is your friend and you'll get far better turn-around time on your question. Phil --- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...> wrote: > > how could i use a relay with a PIC to control 8 switches, so that each > time 1 is closed, or if i had 2 networkes each with 4 switches and each > time 1 is closed ?? > > For a start, try to give a good explanation of what you nedd, I can't > make any sense of this. Note: correct english helps but is certainly not > an absolute requirement. > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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Re: hi - controlling relays and reading switches - Dave Mucha - Jan 21 11:59:00 2004
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Hi guys, Had to add the revised subject line. I've seen some new virus running around in some groups with the subject as 'hi' and I just didn't want to miss the posts. Besides, now we can search teh archives and find this thread. Dave --- In , "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote: > Unfortunately, Wouter, us Americans don't know English. It's amazing > that we understand each other at all. > > Peter, Controlling a switch is a non-sequiter. Do you mean > controlling 8 relays or reading 8 switches? One is inputs, the other > outputs. Its a good idea to keep them straight for us literalists > (PICliteralisters). > > By the way, in both cases there are hundreds of examples out there. > Google is your friend and you'll get far better turn-around time on > your question. > > Phil > > --- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...> > wrote: > > > how could i use a relay with a PIC to control 8 switches, so that > each > > time 1 is closed, or if i had 2 networkes each with 4 switches and > each > > time 1 is closed ?? > > > > For a start, try to give a good explanation of what you nedd, I > can't > > make any sense of this. Note: correct english helps but is > certainly not > > an absolute requirement. > > > > Wouter van Ooijen > > > > -- ------------------------------------------- > > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > > consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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hi - araftary1 - Oct 24 7:07:00 2004
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Hi; I made a SI-prog programer and PIC programer adapter for PIC programing. I can program (read & write) many PIC series for exampel 16F84A but I can't program PIC 12C5xx series. I can just only read it but i can't write it. I check many 12c508a and after 4 or 5 times IC be damaged. please , say me what's the problem? your sincerely : A-Raftari |
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