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Discussion Groups | Piclist | Was really OS bashing... Re: Re: 16F88 bootloader

A discussion group for the PICMicro microcontroller. Also called the Microchip PIC, this list is dedicated to the use and abuse of this fine, simple, microcontroller. Close to topic posts are welcome, ie. general electronics.

Re: Was really OS bashing... Re: Re: 16F88 bootloader - Michael Puchol - Sep 5 11:49:00 2004

> > Linux supports only obsolete
> > hardware and, because it has such a small customer base,
> > manufacturers don't provide drivers for newer hardware.
> This is just blatantly incorrect. Go to any consumer electronics
> store and read the boxes.

It is not. It does support obsolete hardware, but I know for a fact (because
I've tried) that a lot of manufacturers consider their driver information as
proprietary, and won't release it so that an open source driver can be made.
They won't make the effort to develop one as cold sales figures say it's not
worth it. Wether this is due to pressure from Microsoft I don't know, but
it's there. Laptop support in Linux is crap, there are VERY few models that
could support any distro out of the box. Three Toshiba and one Fujitsu I've
owned have ALL had some problem or other, were it ACPI support, screen,
graphics card, keyboard strokes auto-repeating themselves if you didn't type
at 1 wpm, or any combination of them. Each distro showed a number of
problems, which had to be fixed with awkward patches and obscure
instructions, often written and posted by great individuals who made the
effort. Support from the distro houses is limited, just read the blurb on
their box "support only given for basic and supported hardware".

You may say "Microsoft doesn't give free support anymore to users anymore",
but here we're talking about de-bunking Microsoft, and you will only achieve
that by giving MORE than them. And better.

> Wouldn't the trend to hate Microsoft be an indication of the
> marketplace making a decision rather than a "fashion statement"?

There is always a trend to hate the leader in ANY market, that is just a
fact of life. If you're on top, everyone below is trying to get you off. The
corporate server market, although juicy, it's peanuts compared to the
end-user market, so unless Linux can get itself onto desktops, it may well
be limited to ruling the corporate server world (which I think it will
eventually, given rising sales figures). But on the desktop, at least for
now, forget it.

Regards,

Mike




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Was really OS bashing... Re: Re: 16F88 bootloader - Scott Lee - Sep 5 13:10:00 2004

--- In , "Michael Puchol" <mpuchol@s...> wrote:
> it's there. Laptop support in Linux is crap, there are VERY few
models that
> could support any distro out of the box. Three Toshiba and one
Fujitsu I've
> owned have ALL had some problem or other, were it ACPI support, screen,
> graphics card, keyboard strokes auto-repeating themselves if you
didn't type
> at 1 wpm, or any combination of them.

Huh? I have two laptops -- one old IBM Thinkpad that I own personally
and one relatively new Compaq Evo supplied by my employer. Both work
just fine with linux out of the box -- wireless networking and all.

Oh, I guess I can think of one problem on my personal laptop and that
is the winmodem doesn't work off the bat. I know that I *could* get
it working but I don't worry about it since I haven't used a modem in
several years.

--Scott





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Re: Was really OS bashing... Re: Re: 16F88 bootloader - Joe Jansen - Sep 5 16:55:00 2004

Same here. My Dell Latitude runs Knoppix and Mandrake with no
problems whatsoever. HardDrake auto-detects all my hardware,
including sound and graphics. I don't use a dial up modem on this
computer, so I have never tried that.

Meanwhile, my less-than-6-months-old computer also runs mandrake
effortlessly. All hardware fully functional, and my 5 year old
happily playing a game on it as I write this.

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:10:28 -0000, Scott Lee <> wrote:
> --- In , "Michael Puchol" <mpuchol@s...> wrote:
> > it's there. Laptop support in Linux is crap, there are VERY few
> models that
> > could support any distro out of the box. Three Toshiba and one
> Fujitsu I've
> > owned have ALL had some problem or other, were it ACPI support, screen,
> > graphics card, keyboard strokes auto-repeating themselves if you
> didn't type
> > at 1 wpm, or any combination of them.
>
> Huh? I have two laptops -- one old IBM Thinkpad that I own personally
> and one relatively new Compaq Evo supplied by my employer. Both work
> just fine with linux out of the box -- wireless networking and all.
>
> Oh, I guess I can think of one problem on my personal laptop and that
> is the winmodem doesn't work off the bat. I know that I *could* get
> it working but I don't worry about it since I haven't used a modem in
> several years.
>
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