> > One other point on Mouser - I use the "MyMouser" Project Manager > feature where I can create a project, put components into it and then > order multiples if I wish. Very convenient. I can set it up and play > with the parts list over several days and finally place the order. > They save them and I can go back and re-order. > This feature is easily the best for me. I routinly put in odds and ends. needed a batt for the wife's watch. put it in. Needed a fre parts for a circuit, put them in. Nothing important, and nothing high enough to place an order. then did a project and Presto ! all those little things were on my order. The other thing I like is that the form gives you stock status in real time. I do check both. Last year, the Tiny11 was $1.58 from M and $0.54 from Digikey. I missed the $0.25 cent group buy and was astounded at the high Mouser price. Dave

Interesting on the Atmel parts. clearly this is one place where they are pretty close. I agree it always makes sense to check both and I frequently do. About the 30% - you are correct, its not across the boards. and yes, I just guessed at that number though in some cases, it's much more than 30%. Its my belief that Digi prices single/small units fairly high and has a much steeper curve than mouser. For some more common parts, I've found mouser to be much more competitive. take 1206 5% chip resistors. Pretty much a commodity yet Mouser's price at 100 (Xicon) is $.015/unit vs digi's (Yageo) at $.042 for 50 and $.024/unit at 200 (yes, 50 from digi is 25% more than 100 from Mouser). That becomes significant when you are buying a number of values. Nichicon electrolytics: there is a pretty big difference for quantity 1 - UVR1V221MP (220 uF 35V general purpose) Mouser is $.28/1, $.23/100, Digi is $.41/1, $.30/10 and $.21/100 (note D is better at 100). PICs are usually a lot cheaper from Mouser. There are lots of examples. Every time I price an order with both it pencils out well in Mouser's favor, assuming they carry the product - sure wish mouser carried IR's stuff. One other point on Mouser - I use the "MyMouser" Project Manager feature where I can create a project, put components into it and then order multiples if I wish. Very convenient. I can set it up and play with the parts list over several days and finally place the order. They save them and I can go back and re-order. --- In piclist@picl..., "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote: > > > While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I > > find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the > > common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the > > small quantity orders. > > I have started playing with Atmel chips. The ATmega16 in 40 pin > PDIP at Mouser is $6.75, at Digikey $6.77. One variation of the > ATmega128 is $15.99 at Mouser and $15.05 at Digikey. Neither > difference is a deal breaker. > > It is probably worth the time to price both places but in terms of > splitting the order, shipping from two places will eat up the > difference. At least on my small orders. I also refuse to have > shipping more than 10% of my order. So, I buy extra parts, stock > parts, whatever it takes to get the order into the $50 bracket. Not > because of Digikey's handling fee for orders below $25, just because > I don't want to see shipping as a significant part of my expense. > > I suspect that their prices are a function of their total volume in > the products of the various manufacturers. It wouldn't surprise me > to see one or the other lower on certain items, higher on others. > Both carry high quality, first rate product. > > I don't think you can categorically state that Mouser is 30% less - > it depends on the product. But it might be worth the time to > compare... Or not...

Mouser is much better than they used to be. Their catalog is growing, but so is Digi-keys

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil

To: p...@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:33 PM

Subject: [piclist] Re: Warp 13a upgrade to bluepole

--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote:> I have bought from Mouser a few times but I don't think much of > their web site as compared to Digikey. Digikey is my primary > supplier simply because they can fill the entire order. Mouser > doesn't seem to have the diversity of products. I agree that digi's parametric search is a lot better than mouser's part number search. For a 30% discount, I'll live with it though. By the way, digi's search could stand some improvement. like LEDs - you can't select by wavelength but by color which is (I think) the manufacturer's description. Mosfet parametrics lacks Vgt and Rds in the search - you still have to slog through a long list once you select amps and voltage. While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the small quantity orders.

to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions

> While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I > find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the > common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the > small quantity orders. I have started playing with Atmel chips. The ATmega16 in 40 pin PDIP at Mouser is $6.75, at Digikey $6.77. One variation of the ATmega128 is $15.99 at Mouser and $15.05 at Digikey. Neither difference is a deal breaker. It is probably worth the time to price both places but in terms of splitting the order, shipping from two places will eat up the difference. At least on my small orders. I also refuse to have shipping more than 10% of my order. So, I buy extra parts, stock parts, whatever it takes to get the order into the $50 bracket. Not because of Digikey's handling fee for orders below $25, just because I don't want to see shipping as a significant part of my expense. I suspect that their prices are a function of their total volume in the products of the various manufacturers. It wouldn't surprise me to see one or the other lower on certain items, higher on others. Both carry high quality, first rate product. I don't think you can categorically state that Mouser is 30% less - it depends on the product. But it might be worth the time to compare... Or not...

--- In piclist@picl..., "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote: > > > I have bought from Mouser a few times but I don't think much of > their web site as compared to Digikey. Digikey is my primary > supplier simply because they can fill the entire order. Mouser > doesn't seem to have the diversity of products. I agree that digi's parametric search is a lot better than mouser's part number search. For a 30% discount, I'll live with it though. By the way, digi's search could stand some improvement. like LEDs - you can't select by wavelength but by color which is (I think) the manufacturer's description. Mosfet parametrics lacks Vgt and Rds in the search - you still have to slog through a long list once you select amps and voltage. While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the small quantity orders.

I have bought from Mouser a few times but I don't think much of their web site as compared to Digikey. Digikey is my primary supplier simply because they can fill the entire order. Mouser doesn't seem to have the diversity of products. If it is available, I always use USPS Priority Mail. It's cheaper and faster than UPS ground. Three days from Minnesota - order submission to box in hand. --- In piclist@picl..., "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote: > > A comment on digi - the cheapest 252 I could see there was $8.80 > Mouser has the PIC18F252 I/SO and I/SP versions for $5.70 In > general I never buy stuff from digi unless they are the only ones that > carry it - they are almost always much more expensive than Mouser in > quantities of 100 or less. > > Also, with Mouser, if you buy small quantities of light stuff and take > first class shipping, you will pay less than $6 and get it in a couple > of days. My last order weighed about 1/2 lb, cost < $4 shipping and > took 3 days from order to delivery. > > --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the replies. > > Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13 > > programmers. So far, I've really liked mine. > > I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have > > gotten a preprogrammed chip from > > http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I bought my > > last upgrade there and service was top notch. > > Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and > > doing > > the mods etc. > > 73 > > Mike B N0QBH

A comment on digi - the cheapest 252 I could see there was $8.80 Mouser has the PIC18F252 I/SO and I/SP versions for $5.70 In general I never buy stuff from digi unless they are the only ones that carry it - they are almost always much more expensive than Mouser in quantities of 100 or less. Also, with Mouser, if you buy small quantities of light stuff and take first class shipping, you will pay less than $6 and get it in a couple of days. My last order weighed about 1/2 lb, cost < $4 shipping and took 3 days from order to delivery. --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. > Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13 > programmers. So far, I've really liked mine. > I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have > gotten a preprogrammed chip from > http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I bought my > last upgrade there and service was top notch. > Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and > doing > the mods etc. > 73 > Mike B N0QBH

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13 programmers. So far, I've really liked mine. I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have gotten a preprogrammed chip from http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I bought my last upgrade there and service was top notch. Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and doing the mods etc. 73 Mike B N0QBH

I tried that approach also. Somehow I was still crossed up between the firmware and the software. This was NOT Peter Anderson's fault - strictly mine. The price was fair and the service was good. But what's this off the wall naming convention? Everyone else on the planet uses version numbers... I guess, in the end, I have about decided to write off the Warp13a. No support, no future upgrades and less than adequate performance. In my view it isn't worth the effort to even try to keep current. --- In piclist@picl..., "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote: > > --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote: > > > > I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered that > > I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer. > > Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just program > > the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then > > make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at the > > socket)? > > Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already. > > > > Another option is buying a preprogrammed PIC... > > http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html