I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however, I couldn't
resist responding.  I want to be up front and let everyone know that I am
a recruiter.  No, I am not trying to recruit anyone here.  I just wanted
respond and actually give you some advice in finding the right recruiter. 
Yes, many recruiters make us look bad because they don't have the technical
expertise in explaining the position, or asking the right questions (but
pretend that they know). 
So in order to qualify the recruiter, ask them this:
What does industry is the company in? If you have automotive embedded
experience, it may not be enough for a wireless company.
Are you working with the hiring manager? Recruiters will only understand
the position if they are dealing with the boss.  Don't even deal with
recruiters that have to go through HR.  HR can be just as clueless.
And if they ask you to tweak your resume, forget it.  The hiring manager/
director of engineering will know what to look for in a resume.  True
embedded developers can see through the b.s. in a resume.
Recruiters cannot help an engineer with his/her resume. Period.  
So don't fall for that trap.  
Anyway, just my thoughts....



>I posted my resume on Monster.com back in December when I was laid off. I
got 
>flooded by calls from various headhunters, but one occured last week that
really 
>put a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to headhunters. It went
something like 
>this:
>
>Me : Hello?
>Him: Can I speak to Mr. Bradley?
>Me : Yes, that's me.
>Him: Hi, I'm xxxxx from yyyy and I saw your resume on monster.com. We
have an 
>embedded job that match your skill set. Does this sound interesting?
>Me : Sure. What is the product and what type of work is it?
>Him: It's an embedded Java job.
>Me : Oh, I don't know/do Java.
>Him: But it's an embedded job.
>Me : But you also said it's Java work.
>Him: Yes, but if you know embedded, you can do Java.
>Me : Um... no, Java is a lanaguage, embedded is completely different.
>Him: No, if you know embedded you know Java.
>Me : Trust me on this one - Java is a language they're using in an
embedded 
>system. I have plenty of embedded systems experience, just not doing
anything 
>with Java.
>Him: Then why did you say you did embedded work on your resume?
>Me : Because I've done 8051, ARM, AVR, PowerPC, and Intel based processor

>embedded designs in my history, including hardware and firmware.
>Him: So.... then you know Java.
>Me : No, I don't know Java. Java is a language. Java CAN be used in an
embedded 
>system, but more often it's straight C or assembly language instead.
>Him: You can't know embedded without knowing Java.
>Me : Are you actually serious?
>Him: Yes - Java is a prerequisite for embedded in this job.
>Me : Maybe for that job, but not generally - that's why I didn't list it
on my 
>resume!
>Him: But on your resume you shouldn't say you know embedded if you don't
know Java.
>Me : (getting really irritated at this point) It's clear from my talking
with 
>you that you have NO CLUE what you're talking about, and I wouldn't
consider 
>working for you or any client stupid enough to hire you. Goodbye!
>
>I've gotten other really bizzare calls, too - one who couldn't get it
through 
>her head that I didn't want to move 120 miles away no matter how many
times I 
>told her, nor matter how much she increaesd the pay.
>
>This is my first experience with headhunters. Are they all this
retarded?
>
>-->Neil
>

brybb03 wrote:
> 
> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however,  I
> couldn't resist responding. ...

Please do not top-post.  Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
irrelevant material.  See the following links:

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  <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>;
  <http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>;
  <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>;  (taming google)
  <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/>;  (newusers)



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I've heard...

"If you can't do it - teach it!
  If you can't teach - consult!"

I guess taking that one step further...

"If you can't consult - recruit?"

Regards,

-- 
Mark McDougall, Engineer
Virtual Logic Pty Ltd, <http://www.vl.com.au>;
21-25 King St, Rockdale, 2216
Ph: +612-9599-3255 Fax: +612-9599-3266

In article <t...@giganews.com>, brybb03 
says...
> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however, I couldn't
> resist responding.  I want to be up front and let everyone know that I am
> a recruiter.  No, I am not trying to recruit anyone here.  I just wanted
> respond and actually give you some advice in finding the right recruiter. 
> Yes, many recruiters make us look bad because they don't have the technical
> expertise in explaining the position, or asking the right questions (but
> pretend that they know). 
> So in order to qualify the recruiter, ask them this:
> What does industry is the company in? 

The idea being that if they can actually parse that question they should 
be eliminated from consideration? ;)

Robert

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"brybb03" <e...@yahoo.com> writes:
> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however, I couldn't
> resist responding.  I want to be up front and let everyone know that I am
> a recruiter.  No, I am not trying to recruit anyone here.  I just wanted
> respond and actually give you some advice in finding the right recruiter. 
> Yes, many recruiters make us look bad because they don't have the technical
> expertise in explaining the position, or asking the right questions (but
> pretend that they know). 

Then there's the recruiter I encountered who said he was
paid so much money to do recruiting that he couldn't be
bothered to discuss the jobs for which he was recruiting.

"Robert Adsett" <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message 
news:M...@free.teranews.com...
> In article <t...@giganews.com>, brybb03
> says...
>> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however, I couldn't
>> resist responding.  I want to be up front and let everyone know that I am
>> a recruiter.  No, I am not trying to recruit anyone here.  I just wanted
>> respond and actually give you some advice in finding the right recruiter.
>> Yes, many recruiters make us look bad because they don't have the 
>> technical
>> expertise in explaining the position, or asking the right questions (but
>> pretend that they know).
>> So in order to qualify the recruiter, ask them this:
>> What does industry is the company in?
>
> The idea being that if they can actually parse that question they should
> be eliminated from consideration? ;)
>
> Robert

Why are headhunters idiots?
Because there are zero requirements to become a headhunter
other than wanting obscene fees for a few minutes on the phone.

Why are they hated?
Because they are typically sleazy as a used car salesman,
an un-needed middleman, a parasite.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:30:21 -0700, Moon Shine <4...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Robert Adsett" <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message 
>news:M...@free.teranews.com...
>> In article <t...@giganews.com>, brybb03
>> says...
>>> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread; however, I couldn't
>>> resist responding.  I want to be up front and let everyone know that I am
>>> a recruiter.  No, I am not trying to recruit anyone here.  I just wanted
>>> respond and actually give you some advice in finding the right recruiter.
>>> Yes, many recruiters make us look bad because they don't have the 
>>> technical
>>> expertise in explaining the position, or asking the right questions (but
>>> pretend that they know).
>>> So in order to qualify the recruiter, ask them this:
>>> What does industry is the company in?
>>
>> The idea being that if they can actually parse that question they should
>> be eliminated from consideration? ;)
>>
>> Robert

>Why are headhunters idiots?
>Because there are zero requirements to become a headhunter
>other than wanting obscene fees for a few minutes on the phone.

>Why are they hated?
>Because they are typically sleazy as a used car salesman,
>an un-needed middleman, a parasite.


They are no different than the HR department of any company.  Think
of them as outsourced HR.

AZ Nomad wrote:

> They are no different than the HR department of any company.  Think
> of them as outsourced HR.

Which is exactly what Moon Shine just said!

-- 
Mark McDougall, Engineer
Virtual Logic Pty Ltd, <http://www.vl.com.au>;
21-25 King St, Rockdale, 2216
Ph: +612-9599-3255 Fax: +612-9599-3266

AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>Moon Shine <4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Why are headhunters idiots?
>>Because there are zero requirements to become a headhunter
>>other than wanting obscene fees for a few minutes on the phone.
>
>>Why are they hated?
>>Because they are typically sleazy as a used car salesman,
>>an un-needed middleman, a parasite.
>
>They are no different than the HR department of any company.  
>Think of them as outsourced HR.

...without the longevity of HR employees.  There is little 
point in assisting a headhunter by, say, giving him a lead
in the hope that he may help you in the future.  For him
there is no future; he will be gone in a few weeks.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:05:01 +1100, Mark McDougall <m...@vl.com.au> wrote:
>AZ Nomad wrote:

>> They are no different than the HR department of any company.  Think
>> of them as outsourced HR.

>Which is exactly what Moon Shine just said!
exactly not.