Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote:
> Op Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:15:28 +0200 schreef David Brown 
> <d...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no>:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>> Guy Macon wrote:
>>>> Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you need more expensive and power-hungry hardware to be able
>>>>> to perform mostly the same tasks, then I cannot possibly consider
>>>>> it an "upgrade". And if you really need eye-candy to prevent you
>>>>> from becoming depressed, then there are IMHO better ways to spend
>>>>> your money.
>>>> So you are saying it's *not* a good plan to replace a two dollar
>>>> deck of playing cards with a multi-thousand dollar PC running
>>>> Solitaire?  What a concept! :)
>>>  Are you trying to destroy the economy?  The PC requires men working
>>> extensive hours preparing the solitaire software.  In turn, they
>>> require other PCs, and much compilation and linking software, which
>>> provide employment to system programmers, who also require PCs. Then 
>>> there is the whole replacement market, handling such things as
>>> memory, disk drives, etc.  The whole system is feeding people all
>>> over the world.  Not to mention the MicroSnerdians.
>>>  By contrast, the deck of cards requires little more than a man with
>>> an axe in the woods.
>>>
>>
>> With all these jobs being outsourced around the world, Americans 
>> should be proud to support Vista - no where else could they help so 
>> many people stay usefully employed doing so little real work!
>>
>> <http://www.vistaok.com/Vistanews/Vista-shutdown-menu--value--43-year-s-time.html>; 
>>
> 
>  From the article:
> "A few years ago, cell phones are even fight looks pegged to the 
> Xiangjin-time, I have Apple China and the people say that your design so 
> strong, and done quickly phone ah."
> 
> Since you seem to have understood the text, maybe you can translate the 
> article for those of us not familiar with machine-translated Chinese.
> 

I read about the Vista shutdown menu development time quite a while ago 
- the website reference above was just the first site I found on google 
that talked about it.  I must admit I didn't read through the whole page.

Here's the famous Vista developer's blog:

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

Op Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:33:36 +0200 schreef David Brown  
<d...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>:
> Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote:
>> Op Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:15:28 +0200 schreef David Brown  
>> <d...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no>:
>>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>>> Guy Macon wrote:
>>>>> Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>  <snip> By contrast, the deck of cards requires little more than a  
>>>> man with
>>>> an axe in the woods.
>>>>
>>>
>>> With all these jobs being outsourced around the world, Americans  
>>> should be proud to support Vista - no where else could they help so  
>>> many people stay usefully employed doing so little real work!
>>>
>>> <http://www.vistaok.com/Vistanews/Vista-shutdown-menu--value--43-year-s-time.html>;
>>   From the article:
>> "A few years ago, cell phones are even fight looks pegged to the  
>> Xiangjin-time, I have Apple China and the people say that your design  
>> so strong, and done quickly phone ah."
>>  Since you seem to have understood the text, maybe you can translate  
>> the article for those of us not familiar with machine-translated  
>> Chinese.
>>
>
> I read about the Vista shutdown menu development time quite a while ago  
> - the website reference above was just the first site I found on google  
> that talked about it.  I must admit I didn't read through the whole page.
>
> Here's the famous Vista developer's blog:
>
> http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

Ah, that looks more like something written by a person.

Compare shutdown.c in the BSD's; it's not humiliating, but it's still  
funny:

[...]

void badtime(void);
void __dead die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog(void);
void doitfast(void);
void __dead finish(int);
void __dead loop(void);

[...]

void
die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog(void)
{

         syslog(LOG_NOTICE, "%s by %s: %s",
             doreboot ? "reboot" : dohalt ? "halt" : "shutdown", whom,  
mbuf);
         (void)sleep(2);

         (void)printf("\r\nSystem shutdown time has arrived\007\007\r\n");
         if (killflg) {
                 (void)printf("\rbut you'll have to do it yourself\r\n");
                 finish(0);
         }
         if (dofast)
                 doitfast();
[...]




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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:40:04 +0000, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>; wrote:
>VMWare Workstation running under Vista or Linux running
>the appropriate old OS runs every kind of old software 
>I have been able to throw at it.

One of our clients uses VMWare to encapsulate and archive their
embedded development environments and we have just started exploring
using it ourselves for future projects.  Have you found any gotchas?
I'm particularly concerned about problems with license managers and
hardware debuggers.
Chuck Cox
SynchroSystems - embedded computer design - http://synchro.com
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David Brown wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> David Brown wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> OTOH look at what a regular business user does: Run some apps, connect 
>> to a corporate files server, print on some hallway printer, email, 
>> Internet. I can do all of that with XP Pro and with XP home.
>>
> 
> I suppose that's true.  It may just be what I'm used to - my experience 
> with XP Home is pretty limited, but it felt like some things were 
> missing.  At the office (and at home), we went from WfW 3.11 to NT4.0 
> (after a brief but pleasant interlude with OS/2 3.0), then W2k (we still 
> have W2k machines in daily use), then XP Pro.  We avoided the Win9x line 
> almost entirely, so XP Pro was the logical progression from W2k.
> 

I am using XP SP2 Home Edition on this PC which I bought from the Dell 
business group. Works fine, haven't hit any roadblocks. Including remote 
networking into client's servers which works just fine.

>>
>>> Of course, the disadvantage of Vista Business is that it doesn't come 
>>> with solitaire.
>>
>>
>> I have yet to find an airport where people in fancy dark suits are not 
>> playing solitaire on their high-faluting $2500+ laptops. So it seems 
>> none is running Vista Business. Or maybe none is running Vista at all ...
>>
> 
> They should try Vista Ultimate.  Apparently, for only a few hundred 
> dollars extra, you get a poker game too.


Not me :-)

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On Jun 23, 11:59=A0am, Chuck Cox <chuckP...@synchro.com> wrote:

> One of our clients uses VMWare to encapsulate and archive their
> embedded development environments and we have just started exploring
> using it ourselves for future projects. =A0Have you found any gotchas?
> I'm particularly concerned about problems with license managers and
> hardware debuggers.

Which is precisely where you'll hit the problems. Unfortunately the
bottom line is that even with "perfect" emulation software you'll be
subject to the whims and vagaries of the underlying OS and the real
hardware on which you're running it.

I have found several h/w debuggers that don't run at all inside
emulation (USB-based, mostly).

CBFalconer wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Everett M. Greene wrote:
>>
> ... snip ...
>>> Microsoft has even extended their reach for wasting resources
>>> to the Internet by making it difficult to do email in a simple
>>> text form.  You now get email with embedded HTML so that the
>>> messages are at least 4 times larger than necessary.  There
>>> goes the Internet bandwidth.
>> The topper was a Word file I got from a client recently. About
>> a dozen pages. 15 megabytes!
> 
> At that size I daresay it included some editing, and you could
> reverse that at will.  If so, I can think of ways to discourage
> them from such practices.
> 

Don't know. I stored my copy back as PDF which got it down to around 
10MB. Still a lot, but less. Now I can't edit it anymore but I am not 
supposed to anyhow.

How can I reverse anything on the *.doc file to make it smaller?

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Joerg wrote:
> 
> Don't know. I stored my copy back as PDF which got it down to around 
> 10MB. Still a lot, but less. Now I can't edit it anymore but I am not 
> supposed to anyhow.
> 
> How can I reverse anything on the *.doc file to make it smaller?

Can you save it as *.rtf then as *.doc again?

Lanarcam wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>>
>> Don't know. I stored my copy back as PDF which got it down to around 
>> 10MB. Still a lot, but less. Now I can't edit it anymore but I am not 
>> supposed to anyhow.
>>
>> How can I reverse anything on the *.doc file to make it smaller?
> 
> Can you save it as *.rtf then as *.doc again?


Tried it. That destroyed most of the layout. Tables overflowed and 
wrapped, graphics completely vanished, no more legible page numbers ...

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Joerg wrote:
> Lanarcam wrote:
>> Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't know. I stored my copy back as PDF which got it down to around 
>>> 10MB. Still a lot, but less. Now I can't edit it anymore but I am not 
>>> supposed to anyhow.
>>>
>>> How can I reverse anything on the *.doc file to make it smaller?
>>
>> Can you save it as *.rtf then as *.doc again?
> 
> 
> Tried it. That destroyed most of the layout. Tables overflowed and 
> wrapped, graphics completely vanished, no more legible page numbers ...
> 
As a last resort, try *.html then *.doc.
No guarantee, of course!

Joerg wrote:

> 
> The topper was a Word file I got from a client recently. About a dozen 
> pages. 15 megabytes!
> 

The most common cause for such big word files is pictures.  .doc format 
doesn't seem to be able to store pictures in jpg - it uses a sort of 
mangled raw bitmap that can't be well compressed by external programs 
(such as zip).