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Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:
>
>On Jun 17, 3:55 pm, langw...@fonz.dk wrote:
>
>> and afair only ultima and Business can connect to a domain
>
>Mother of Mercy.
>
>Are you're telling me that normal Vista won't let you go into network
>neighbourhood and browse through file shares, printer shares, etc..
>
>If so, that's thoroughly disgusting. If so, I'm now going to start a
>hate campaign against Vista.

You cannot join a Windows Vista Home Basic or Windows Vista Home 
Premium computer to a domain.  You cannot join *any* Windows 
Vista computer to a Windows NT 4.0 domain -- even if your NT
server still works fine and your LAN has no connection to the
Internet, you have to upgrade your server. 

See [ http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp ]
for a detailed comparison of the fifteen available versions
of Windows Vista (not including server versions based on 
Vista):

Windows Vista Starter Edition
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Basic x64
Windows Vista Home Basic N
Windows Vista Home Basic N x64
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Home Premium x64
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Business x64
Windows Vista Business N
Windows Vista Business N x64
Windows Vista Enterprise
Windows Vista Enterprise x64
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vista Ultimate x64

-- 
Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>;

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:
> On Jun 17, 3:55 pm, langw...@fonz.dk wrote:
> 
>> and afair only ultima and Business can connect to a domain
> 
> 
> Mother of Mercy.
> 
> Are you're telling me that normal Vista won't let you go into network
> neighbourhood and browse through file shares, printer shares, etc..
> 

You don't need a domain for that sort of thing.  A "domain" basically 
means you have a centralised server for authentication - if you are 
happy with creating user accounts and setting up passwords individually 
on machines as needed, then you don't need to use a domain.


> If so, that's thoroughly disgusting. If so, I'm now going to start a
> hate campaign against Vista.

DaveN wrote:
> I triple boot my machine with Vista, XP and Fedora.  Got XP to support some 
> older apps and Fedora more as a new attempt at getting to grips with Linux. 

  Isn't there something a little wrong with this picture, where we have 
a world where THREE operating systems is not unusual ?

  With all the man-centuries that supposedly goes into writing these
systems, and the many millions of users, losing time on the bugs and 
fluff, surely 'better usability coverage' should be expected ?

-jg

Joerg wrote:

> rickman wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 16, 9:07 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> rickman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been looking to buy a new computer for a bit and I had just
>>>> about decided on a Windows XP based system from Dell.  Today I called
>>>> them and found that not only are they not going to sell XP machines
>>>> after tomorrow, but the orders are flooding in!  It seems pretty crazy
>>>> to me that if XP is still that popular, they would stop selling it.
>>>> Is this something mandated by MicroSoft?
>>>
>>> http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers
>>>
>>> Quote: "After June 18th you have the option to purchase Windows Vista
>>> Business or Windows Vista Ultimate with a downgrade service to Windows
>>> XP Professional."
>>>
>>> So it seems not all is lost.
>>
>>
>> But that means you have to pay for Vista *and* you have to pay for
>> XP.   They call this *Vista Bonus*... talk about a marketing scheme!
>>
> 
> Yep, seems they want to milk you for more money.

This in a news feed:

Seems the situation is 'fluid' with Microsoft trying to bully everyone
over to vista. (no surprise there). Of course, a large customer 
push-back, will have Microsoft's PR and Spin department into overdrive.

It also confirms that legally you can downgrade without having to pay
extra.

News:
[The latest news comes from Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, reacting to 
criticism at a recent news conference, who said "XP will hit an 
end-of-life. We have announced one. If customer feedback varies, we can 
always wake up smarter, but right now, we have a plan for end-of-life 
for new XP shipments."

As of now the June 30 deadline stands, but PC makers may be encouraging 
Microsoft to get "smarter" by taking the rare step of openly combating 
Microsoft's direction that vendors move from XP to Vista. HP, Dell, and 
Lenovo have all said they will downgrade operating systems on new 
machines from Vista to XP at customer request and will continue to do so 
until 2009 (specific ending dates vary).

Note that no one's breaking the law here. Legally, anyone with a volume 
license or an OEM license for Vista can downgrade to XP without having 
to pay extra for the OS. The only exception is for those who purchased 
"full packaged product (FPP)" editions, which do not include downgrade 
rights, though Windows Vista Professional and Ultimate editions do. 
Whether XP drivers are available is another issue.

If asked, many companies will include an XP disc with your order, but 
Dell is installing XP at the factory as well. Cnet also offers some 
additional helpful advice on obtaining XP if you're buying a Vista 
machine. ]

Jim Granville wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
> 
>> rickman wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 9:07 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> rickman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been looking to buy a new computer for a bit and I had just
>>>>> about decided on a Windows XP based system from Dell.  Today I called
>>>>> them and found that not only are they not going to sell XP machines
>>>>> after tomorrow, but the orders are flooding in!  It seems pretty crazy
>>>>> to me that if XP is still that popular, they would stop selling it.
>>>>> Is this something mandated by MicroSoft?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers
>>>>
>>>> Quote: "After June 18th you have the option to purchase Windows Vista
>>>> Business or Windows Vista Ultimate with a downgrade service to Windows
>>>> XP Professional."
>>>>
>>>> So it seems not all is lost.
>>>
>>>
>>> But that means you have to pay for Vista *and* you have to pay for
>>> XP.   They call this *Vista Bonus*... talk about a marketing scheme!
>>>
>>
>> Yep, seems they want to milk you for more money.
> 
> This in a news feed:
> 
> Seems the situation is 'fluid' with Microsoft trying to bully everyone
> over to vista. (no surprise there). Of course, a large customer 
> push-back, will have Microsoft's PR and Spin department into overdrive.
> 
> It also confirms that legally you can downgrade without having to pay
> extra.
> 
> News:
> [The latest news comes from Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, reacting to 
> criticism at a recent news conference, who said "XP will hit an 
> end-of-life. We have announced one. If customer feedback varies, we can 
> always wake up smarter, but right now, we have a plan for end-of-life 
> for new XP shipments."
> 
> As of now the June 30 deadline stands, but PC makers may be encouraging 
> Microsoft to get "smarter" by taking the rare step of openly combating 
> Microsoft's direction that vendors move from XP to Vista. HP, Dell, and 
> Lenovo have all said they will downgrade operating systems on new 
> machines from Vista to XP at customer request and will continue to do so 
> until 2009 (specific ending dates vary).
> 
> Note that no one's breaking the law here. Legally, anyone with a volume 
> license or an OEM license for Vista can downgrade to XP without having 
> to pay extra for the OS. The only exception is for those who purchased 
> "full packaged product (FPP)" editions, which do not include downgrade 
> rights, though Windows Vista Professional and Ultimate editions do. 
> Whether XP drivers are available is another issue.
> 
> If asked, many companies will include an XP disc with your order, but 
> Dell is installing XP at the factory as well. Cnet also offers some 
> additional helpful advice on obtaining XP if you're buying a Vista 
> machine. ]
> 

But from the statement on Dell's site it seems they only offer downgrade 
if you first "upgrade" to a more expensive version of Vista. Makes 
absolutely no sense to me and it could cost them revenue. One could 
almost bet it will cost them revenue.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

rickman wrote:

> I have been looking to buy a new computer for a bit and I had just
> about decided on a Windows XP based system from Dell.  Today I called
> them and found that not only are they not going to sell XP machines
> after tomorrow, but the orders are flooding in!  It seems pretty crazy
> to me that if XP is still that popular, they would stop selling it.
> Is this something mandated by MicroSoft?
> 
> So the question is, is Vista ready for prime time?  I have heard
> nothing but bad about it and I know that a lot of software vendors
> have yet to support it... at least the last time I looked.  Are the
> rumors true of Vista being a PITA or just plain incompatible?  Is it
> time to switch to Linux?
> 
> What experiences have people had with Vista?
> 
> Rick

When I bought my new Dell Inspiron, Vista was on it (I had a little play
first, didn't like it at all) but that didn't last as I wiped the disk
and installed Mandriva Linux. I have enjoyed using the Open Office
tools, The Gimp, Konqueror and Mozilla Firefox, VuTrax PCB design and
layout software and Vfx Forth (for Linux) on this system. I use AVidemux
for video editing and Audacity for editing sound.

I am sure I will find a decent mechanical 3D CAD system at some point.
This and some PERT based project management software would complete the
set nicely.

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>DaveN wrote:
>>I triple boot my machine with Vista, XP and Fedora.  Got XP to support some
>>older apps and Fedora more as a new attempt at getting to grips with Linux.
>>
Jim Granville wrote:
>Isn't there something a little wrong with this picture, where we have
>a world where THREE operating systems is not unusual ?
>
>With all the man-centuries that supposedly goes into writing these
>systems, and the many millions of users, losing time on the bugs and
>fluff, surely 'better usability coverage' should be expected ?

www.winehq.org/site/contributing+donations" target=_blank rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:PTPuLs5pOU8J:www.winehq.org/site/contributing+donations
8-)

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:11:13 +0100, "Paul E. Bennett"
<P...@topmail.co.uk> wrote:

>This and some PERT based project management software would complete the
>set nicely.

You might give OpenProj a try. I mostly use it for really simple Gantt
stuff but it does have possibilities for more advanced users (= most of
the rest of the universe).

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/

-- 
Rich Webb     Norfolk, VA

David Brown wrote:
> Tomás Ó hÉilidhe wrote:
> 
... snip ...
>
>> I hate that stuff. For example, under Linux, I'm always logged
>> in as root. I have full control over what executables files I
>> run, and I'm not thick, so I don't have a problem. And yes I do
>> see those prompts every day, must just be the kind of user I am.
> 
... snip ...
> 
> If you are working with a desktop, then it's silly to login as
> root - it's like removing the door to your house to avoid the
> minor inconvenience of opening it.

He has been told this many times before.  However, Tomas is a
genius, knows everything, and thus sees fit to ignore advice.

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Joel wrote:
> 
... snip ...
> becoming less and less common.  There are few reasons to upgrade
> to Vista but also few reasons to go back to XP.  It is the future
> and we'll all have to get used to it eventually.

I think you are mistaken.  The future is Linux, possibly Ubuntu.

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