Paul Keinanen wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:38:37 +0200, David Brown
> <d...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
> 
>> Bit Farmer wrote:
>>> haresh wrote:
>>>> My Last post  many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>>>> group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>>>> Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>>>> And GPS receiver  .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>>>> mobile about vehicle location.
>>>>
>>>> So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>>>> design.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You,
>>>> Haresh
>>> Haresh,
>>>
>>> Your request was just fine.  The problem is that many newsgroups are
>>> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
>>> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>>>
>> His request was *not* fine.  It was written in barely comprehensible 
>> pseudo-english (I am a Scot living in Norway - I am fully aware of the 
>> difficulties of learning and communicating in a second language.  
> 
> I am mostly working for a company with offices all around the world,
> but with very few people in English speaking countries, so in
> practice, none of us speaks English (my 3rd language) as the mother
> tongue. Meaningful phone contacts may become problematic due to very
> different accents, but even in such cases, an e-mail conversation will
> usually solve the problem.
> 
> Maybe due to this background, understanding some questions in this
> newsgroup is not so hard, but making sense of any unrealistic
> assumption is the problem.
> 
>> But I 
>> also know that if you can't speak or write a language reasonably, you're 
>> going to have a great deal of trouble persuading people to bother 
>> listening to you).  International communication in technical fields like 
>> embedded design is done in English.  If the O/P wants to be an embedded 
>> engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he 
>> needs to learn English.  It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a 
>> fact of life.
> 
> I fully agree with this.
> 
> Also if working with industrial automation, knowing some German is
> useful, since some documents are not available in English or are
> translated by Babelfish :-).
> 

I've seen this with the documentation for a Profibus part.  The 
documentation was translated from the German to English by someone who 
clearly had a poor grasp of either language, and no understanding at all 
of the part in question, Profibus, or the electronics used.  Sometimes 
phrases in German were copied to the "English" version without an 
attempt at translation, and much of it retained the German grammar (it 
read somewhat like Paradise Lost...).  For one rather critical chapter, 
the entire translation was "Original German unclear.".  Fortunately, a 
colleague was able to read the original German.

In message <J...@lyse.net>, David Brown
<d...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:

>His request was *not* fine.  It was written in barely comprehensible 
>pseudo-english. If the O/P wants to be an embedded 
>engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he 
>needs to learn English.  It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a 
>fact of life.
>
>Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond 
>him (based on his posts).  Either his "big name" university (does "big 
>name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?) 

The IP address he's posting from is in Manchester, England - he could
be a student at the University of Manchester. IF he is a university
student at all.

>is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate 
>guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the 
>resources available.  

Do they have the same "Social Promotion" and "No Child Left Behind"
bullshit that we have in the US? Over here we promote failing students
because holding them back would be too traumatic to their fragile
little egos. And then, once we have socially promoted them all the way
through High School, universities are so desperate for tuition money
that they accept these barely-literate bozos into their degree
programs where they are socially-promoted again, this time to keep the
University's dropout rate nice and low.

Anyway, if this is the way they do things over in British schools, it
would explain how a barely literate guy managed to make it into a
university engineering program.

>He has figured out the main components for his 
>design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me)

No doubt it was specified for him by the instructor. 

>but apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and 
>probably hasn't a clue how to program the system.  This isn't something 
>that we can help with here 

Well, we COULD provide him with a complete, working design. Maybe
that's what he means by "help?" :)

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> In message <J...@lyse.net>, David Brown
> <d...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
> 
>> His request was *not* fine.  It was written in barely comprehensible 
>> pseudo-english. If the O/P wants to be an embedded 
>> engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he 
>> needs to learn English.  It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a 
>> fact of life.
>>
>> Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond 
>> him (based on his posts).  Either his "big name" university (does "big 
>> name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?) 
> 
> The IP address he's posting from is in Manchester, England - he could
> be a student at the University of Manchester. IF he is a university
> student at all.
> 

He's from Manchester??  I know there are parts of Manchester where 
keeping yourself alive is more important than getting an education, but 
I'd have expected much better writing skills from anyone going to higher 
education (I've been assuming that the OP's written English is bad, 
because it's not his native tongue).

One thing you have to remember about universities in Britain is that 
practically every education institute for 18+ ages is called a 
"university".  There used to be "universities", where you studied maths, 
or engineering, or philosophy, and "polytechnics" where you learned more 
practical job-related things, such as car mechanics or electronics 
technician (rather than engineer) skills.  Then some half-wit had the 
idea that they could raise standards, or stop engineers thinking they 
were "better" than mere technicians, by calling everything 
"universities".  The result is, obviously, that the name "university" is 
so watered down it is meaningless in the UK.

What we have instead is the concept of "old universities" - universities 
that were universities before the change, and "new universities", that 
are practically worthless for academic subjects (even if they are 
excellent for practical subjects).

The "University of Manchester" is one such "old university", and by all 
accounts is a good university (apart from its location).  The 
"Manchester Metropolitan University", on the other hand, has a bigger 
name - and is not a "real" university.

>> is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate 
>> guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the 
>> resources available.  
> 
> Do they have the same "Social Promotion" and "No Child Left Behind"
> bullshit that we have in the US? Over here we promote failing students
> because holding them back would be too traumatic to their fragile
> little egos. And then, once we have socially promoted them all the way
> through High School, universities are so desperate for tuition money
> that they accept these barely-literate bozos into their degree
> programs where they are socially-promoted again, this time to keep the
> University's dropout rate nice and low.
> 
> Anyway, if this is the way they do things over in British schools, it
> would explain how a barely literate guy managed to make it into a
> university engineering program.
> 

This sounds reasonable, but perhaps some other Brit can answer (I 
haven't lived in the UK for fifteen years, and my university - Oxford - 
never had that sort of problem).

>> He has figured out the main components for his 
>> design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me)
> 
> No doubt it was specified for him by the instructor. 
> 
>> but apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and 
>> probably hasn't a clue how to program the system.  This isn't something 
>> that we can help with here 
> 
> Well, we COULD provide him with a complete, working design. Maybe
> that's what he means by "help?" :)

On Jul 12, 11:17 am, Bit Farmer <bit.far...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> haresh wrote:
> > My Last post  many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
> > group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
> > Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>
> Your request was just fine.  The problem is that many newsgroups are
> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>

His request was *not" fine. Beside his poor English, which I would
excuse (but still think that running a spell checker would be a
minimum when your English is so bad), what was the sense of mentioning
that his project is for a =93big name university=94 and would be good for
us to help him? What is the technical relevance of this detail in the
context of his question and what would be so good for us if he
finishes his project? I found that statement a bit offensive.
Second, he had another request on the same subject, using a different
account name (lopamundra) which I find inappropriate. What if
everybody would create an account for each question he has?
Third, the questions he puts here show that he has no basic technical
knowledge: he asked how to divide by 0.025 and how to write that
number in hex. He could, at least, make the effort to read the
corresponding pages in the 8051 manual before asking.
Now in this new post, he continues asking general questions, actually
his question is just the title of his project, which in translation
means: Do you have such a project to give me for free?
Well, these are some points, because of which I think his request is
not quite =93fine=94