On Dec 27, 5:06 am, Albert van der Horst <alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
wrote:
> In article <kk5uk4ll3n9c6ulj5l6rj1ve1896auo...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Bradley  <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
> >   I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> >has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> >chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> >can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> >no info on them.
>
> So what one can tell or not probably depends a lot of whether one can
> understand Chinese.

And the price depends on where you are coming from.
They figure that the USD is 7x the Yuan, so we get a 50% discount and
pay only 3.5x.
You guys pay only 4x to 5x with Euro.

I was in a Chinese hotel once.  Security deposit was 100 Yuan or 100
USD.

In article <kk5uk4ll3n9c6ulj5l6rj1ve1896auos16@4ax.com>,
Ben Bradley  <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>   I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
>has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
>chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
>can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
>no info on them.

So what one can tell or not probably depends a lot of whether one can
understand Chinese.

Do you understand Chinese (I can't)?

>>-- Pocahontas --

Groetjes Albert

--
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Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters.
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On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 8:32 pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
> > <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> > >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > >> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> > >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> > >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> > >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> > >> them.
>
> > >Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> > >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
> >    I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> > has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> > chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> > can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> > no info on them.
>
> I think the companies who do this are Sunplus, Sonix, Winbond, Alpha
> etc, see
>
> http://6502.org/commercial
>
> It doesn't appear they were cheaper then microchip, atmel, in the
> sense of functionality/$, but it appears they can give you exactly
> what you need and no more in exchange for some overhead costs/minimum
> orders/less support/what not

OK, there are now at least 7.  Your 4 and my 3.  One of mine is cheap
enough.  We already did two prototype runs, and working on the third.
They comes in box of 240 chips for USD $120.  Volume prices are lower
as well.

On Dec 21, 8:32 pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
>
>
> <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> >> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> >> them.
>
> >Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
>    I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> no info on them.


I think the companies who do this are Sunplus, Sonix, Winbond, Alpha
etc, see

http://6502.org/commercial

It doesn't appear they were cheaper then microchip, atmel, in the
sense of functionality/$, but it appears they can give you exactly
what you need and no more in exchange for some overhead costs/minimum
orders/less support/what not

On Dec 22, 6:54 am, Mike Silva <snarflem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 6:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> > Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> > 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> > already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> > them.
>
> What does it take to buy them, besides a few thousand dollars?

NDA.  Email me (linnix123@yahoo.com) to sign one.

I have to be careful this time.  I lost the last project because all
the information I fed to the customer ended up with the competitor.
Of course, I have no idea what the competitor is using, but something
like M2 for sure.

I feel like the new Marco Polo, discovering the new electronic
wonderland.  I found at least three sources of  M2 like chip.  The
first source requires external LDO and OPAMP, but the total BOM is
still cheaper than the second source.  I am still waiting for response
from the third source.

I believe this is the 4 bitter everybody is thinking about, except it
look and feel like 8 bits 6502.  They are remarkably similar but
different.  It could be coming from a central design source.

On Dec 21, 6:53=A0pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 3:35=A0pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > ?? =A0can someone decode this for me
>
> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> them.

What does it take to buy them, besides a few thousand dollars?

On Dec 21, 11:32=A0pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
>
>
>
>
> <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> >> > ?? =A0can someone decode this for me
>
> >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> >> them.
>
> >Thank you. =A0For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
> =A0 =A0I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys. =A0As far as I
> can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> no info on them.

I'm with you.  I'd love to get a couple of named sources for 10K
quantities at well under a buck each.  Please... :-)

On Dec 21, 8:32 pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
>
>
> <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> >> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> >> them.
>
> >Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
>    I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> no info on them.

I can assure you that they exists, and for less than 50 cents.  We
were competiting on another project with 25 cents budget for the uC.
M2 turns out to be too expensive, but certainly cheap enough for our
current project.  For a $5 device, BOM must be less than $1.  It took
me several months to learn and lose (the project), but valuable
experiences nonetheless.

>
> >"You think the only people who are people
> >Are the people who look and think like you
> >But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
> >You'll learn things you never knew you never knew"
> >-- Pocahontas --

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
<me@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:

>On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
>> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>>
>> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>>
>> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
>> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
>> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
>> them.
>
>Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
>no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.

   I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
no info on them.

>"You think the only people who are people
>Are the people who look and think like you
>But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
>You'll learn things you never knew you never knew"
>-- Pocahontas --

On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> them.

fair enough, didn't realize I would hit a nerve by asking