> [drifting further] but I wonder if vendors do come out ahead in "lost
> sales" versus "potential leads" for those sites that *require*
> registration (with a dozen mandatory fields) in order to download the
> pdf of a datasheet or even the two page glossy flyer?
>
> For a sample set of one, there is no interest at all in taking the time
> to complete the form even with bogus data. Their competitors are just a
> click away...
http://www.bugmenot.com
is your friend. Though I agree, even having to resort to that would put me
off buying.
Theo
Reply by Rich Webb●June 25, 20092009-06-25
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:50:12 +0100, "FreeRTOS.org" <noemail@given.com>
wrote:
>Power consumption seems to be the fashionable thing for marketeers at the
>moment. NXP Cortex M0, Energy Micro, Atmel, etc. etc. are all using it. I
>think very often marketeers fail to understand how to market to engineers
>though, or, as I suspect, are actually marketing to their share holders not
>their potential customers. A good example of this is the explosion of WEB
>sites that use videos instead of text based articles. I can skim an article
>in a few seconds to get the gist of it and pick out the facts I need to
>know. I have very high demands on my time, so there is no way I'm going to
>sit and watch a whole series of 5 to 20 minute videos preach marketing
>gospel to me so I can glean just a few facts and figures from somewhere
>near its end. ....but now I'm getting really off topic and just ranting
>again.
[drifting further] but I wonder if vendors do come out ahead in "lost
sales" versus "potential leads" for those sites that *require*
registration (with a dozen mandatory fields) in order to download the
pdf of a datasheet or even the two page glossy flyer?
For a sample set of one, there is no interest at all in taking the time
to complete the form even with bogus data. Their competitors are just a
click away...
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
Reply by FreeRTOS.org●June 25, 20092009-06-25
"An Schwob in USA" <schwobus@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2aae15ff-e8e0-4b2f-8240-1ca865f22fc3@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 20, 11:37 am, "FreeRTOS.org" <noem...@given.com> wrote:
......
> > Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
>
> Licensed from ARM, made by Atmel.
>Richard,
>
>you are correct that the article on microcontroller dot com was a
>little late but it had additional information.
>So has this one
>http://www.mcu-related.com/architectures/35-cortex-m3/76-sam3u-cortex->m3.html
>and it also links to the data sheet and a smaller summary sheet.
>Better to use the original press release and add relevant information
>like Bill did than being a few days earlier without additional info.
>Just my 2 cents
>
>p.s. that website mcu-related.com also features a new article about
>the latest AVR32 picoPower announcement. The author seems not very
>happy with marketing hype <grin>
>http://www.mcu-related.com/architectures/45-misc/81-at32uc3l-avr32.html
>
>An Schwob
Yes - I like the article, it is quite refreshing and not just reprinting
press release guff. It is pointing out the obvious - if everybody claims
they have the lowest power then all of them but one are 'bending the truth'.
In reality of course which CPU will actually give you the lowest power will
depend on your usage scenario and engineers know that. Its exactly the same
when you see compilers compared, they are all the best :o). RTOS too for
that matter, I saw one being advertised as 'boots in x micro seconds' but
gave absolutely no information about what was being booted, what was
included in the build, which compiler was being used, etc. etc. so the whole
article had absolutely no credibility.
Power consumption seems to be the fashionable thing for marketeers at the
moment. NXP Cortex M0, Energy Micro, Atmel, etc. etc. are all using it. I
think very often marketeers fail to understand how to market to engineers
though, or, as I suspect, are actually marketing to their share holders not
their potential customers. A good example of this is the explosion of WEB
sites that use videos instead of text based articles. I can skim an article
in a few seconds to get the gist of it and pick out the facts I need to
know. I have very high demands on my time, so there is no way I'm going to
sit and watch a whole series of 5 to 20 minute videos preach marketing
gospel to me so I can glean just a few facts and figures from somewhere
near its end. ....but now I'm getting really off topic and just ranting
again.
--
Regards,
Richard.
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Reply by An Schwob in USA●June 25, 20092009-06-25
On Jun 20, 11:37=A0am, "FreeRTOS.org" <noem...@given.com> wrote:
......
> > Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
>
> Licensed from ARM, made by Atmel.
>
> These microcontroller.com threads always seem to appear two weeks after t=
Richard,
you are correct that the article on microcontroller dot com was a
little late but it had additional information.
So has this one http://www.mcu-related.com/architectures/35-cortex-m3/76-sa=
m3u-cortex-m3.html
and it also links to the data sheet and a smaller summary sheet.
Better to use the original press release and add relevant information
like Bill did than being a few days earlier without additional info.
Just my 2 cents
p.s. that website mcu-related.com also features a new article about
the latest AVR32 picoPower announcement. The author seems not very
happy with marketing hype <grin>
http://www.mcu-related.com/architectures/45-misc/81-at32uc3l-avr32.html
An Schwob
Reply by Paul Carpenter●June 23, 20092009-06-23
In article <_8adnVcjx_N6tNzXnZ2dnUVZ8gmdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
phil@noname.org says...
>
> "Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:myb*tc6Js@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> > FreeRTOS.org <noemail@given.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Legato" <legato@albasani.net> wrote in message
> >> news:h1img3$u94$1@news.albasani.net...
> >> > Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
> >>
> >> Licensed from ARM, made by Atmel.
> >
> > Cortex M3 is the core, designed by ARM. Atmel chose and designed the
> > peripherals to put on the SoC, do the integration, fab and marketing.
> >
> > A bit like an 'Intel Pentium PC' (a PC made by anybody containing Intel
> > Pentium chips) compared with a 'Dell Pentium PC' (a PC made by Dell
> > containing Pentium chips).
> >
> > Theo
>
> mmmmm - these are not just any Dell containing Pentium Chips - these are
> Dells containing Intel Pentium Chips - smooth, creamy, succulent hand
> picked Intel Pentium chips with a delicious fondant topping, hand whipped by
> virgins on a tropical island -
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:myb*tc6Js@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> FreeRTOS.org <noemail@given.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Legato" <legato@albasani.net> wrote in message
>> news:h1img3$u94$1@news.albasani.net...
>> > Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
>>
>> Licensed from ARM, made by Atmel.
>
> Cortex M3 is the core, designed by ARM. Atmel chose and designed the
> peripherals to put on the SoC, do the integration, fab and marketing.
>
> A bit like an 'Intel Pentium PC' (a PC made by anybody containing Intel
> Pentium chips) compared with a 'Dell Pentium PC' (a PC made by Dell
> containing Pentium chips).
>
> Theo
mmmmm - these are not just any Dell containing Pentium Chips - these are
Dells containing Intel Pentium Chips - smooth, creamy, succulent hand
picked Intel Pentium chips with a delicious fondant topping, hand whipped by
virgins on a tropical island -
Reply by Theo Markettos●June 21, 20092009-06-21
FreeRTOS.org <noemail@given.com> wrote:
>
> "Legato" <legato@albasani.net> wrote in message
> news:h1img3$u94$1@news.albasani.net...
> > Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
>
> Licensed from ARM, made by Atmel.
Cortex M3 is the core, designed by ARM. Atmel chose and designed the
peripherals to put on the SoC, do the integration, fab and marketing.
A bit like an 'Intel Pentium PC' (a PC made by anybody containing Intel
Pentium chips) compared with a 'Dell Pentium PC' (a PC made by Dell
containing Pentium chips).
Theo
Reply by FreeRTOS.org●June 20, 20092009-06-20
"Legato" <legato@albasani.net> wrote in message
news:h1img3$u94$1@news.albasani.net...
> Bill Giovino wrote:
>
>> http://www.microcontroller.com/news/Atmel_Cortex_M3.asp
>>
>> Earlier this month, Atmel introduced a new Cortex M3. The core runs at
>> 96MHz, and a high-speed USB interface blazes at 480Mbits/sec. The new
>> Atmel Cortex devices have up to 256KBytes of Flash
>>
>> Article includes a useful block diagram.
>>
>> - Bill Giovino
>> Executive Editor
>> http://Microcontroller.com
>
> Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
>
> http://www.microcontroller.com/news/Atmel_Cortex_M3.asp
>
> Earlier this month, Atmel introduced a new Cortex M3. The core runs at
> 96MHz, and a high-speed USB interface blazes at 480Mbits/sec. The new
> Atmel Cortex devices have up to 256KBytes of Flash
>
> Article includes a useful block diagram.
>
> - Bill Giovino
> Executive Editor
> http://Microcontroller.com
Why are they calling it 'Atmel Cortex M3' when it's an 'ARM Cortex M3'?
Reply by -jg●June 19, 20092009-06-19
On Jun 20, 6:58=A0am, "Bill Giovino" <contac...@microcontroller-
nospam.com> wrote:
> high-speed USB interface blazes at 480Mbits/sec. The new Atmel Cortex dev=
ices have up to
> 256KBytes of Flash
>
> Article includes a useful block diagram.
>
> - Bill Giovino
> =A0 Executive Editor
> =A0http://Microcontroller.com
Timers look a little light, at just 16 bits and only 3 ?!
There is a Quadrature mode, hidden in the fine print
Even the 99c NXP device has 2 x 32 bit and 2 x 16b Timer/counters.
Interesting to compare this, with the new AT32UC3L
- That has SIX timers, (in a much smaller package)
and an 8 bit 150Mhz PWM on every pin
The AT32UC3L also has a Frequency Counter option (the good news)
- but the bad news, is that Frequency Counter does not appear to reach
Port Pins, (?!)
and the register-size is also limited (so the dynamic range is
crippled)
- seems it never occurred to the designers, that someone MIGHT want
to
measure external frequencies ?
-jg