Reply by karthikbalaguru ●January 23, 20102010-01-23
On Jan 24, 2:05=A0am, karthikbalaguru <karthikbalagur...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Jan 5, 5:51=A0am, Kevin John Panzke <kevin.pan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2:23=A0pm, karthikbalaguru <karthikbalagur...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > I need Windows for certain applications
> > > and Linux for certain other applications.
> > > But, the computer currently has only
> > > Linux(Ubuntu Destop version - 9.10) on it.
> > > I do not wish to disturb the Linux installed
> > > on it. So, i am trying to have Windows via
> > > USB stick !! :-)
>
> > > I am following the below steps for
> > > Windows XP from USB stick -http://www.winusb.de/index_en.html
> > > (Windows XP is booted from USB Stick)
>
> > > But,
> > > I understand that by the above method
> > > we can have the Windows XP booted
> > > up from the USB Stick and Windows
> > > XP will be using entire RAM :-(
>
> > > But, i would like to have Linux also !
> > > Is it possible to have Linux and Windows
> > > simulataneously so that i can switch
> > > between Linux & Windows ?
>
> > > Any ideas ?
>
> > TRY DUAL BOOTING BETWEEN WINDOWS XP AND UBUNTU 9.10 USING WUBI.EXE!
>
> I have not tried wubi :-(
>
> If i use Wubi, should i need to
> restart windows whenever i
> want to enter into Linux ?
>
> I did some searches in internet,
> and got the below info -
> 'Ubuntu is installed within a file
> in the Windows file system
> (c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), as
> opposed to being installed
> within its own partition. This file
> is seen by Linux as a real hard disk. '
>
> The above lines seem to convey
> that windows and linux co-exist
> because Ubuntu is installed within
> a file in the Windows File system.
>
> The above seem to convey that
> linux can be run just like any
> other application in windows by
> just clicking over the shortcut in
> windows . Do they co-exist ?
>
> But, I came across the below line
> that states that 'Wubi adds an
> entry to the Windows boot menu
> which allows the user to run Linux'.
>
> So, should i need to restart evertime
> to enter into linux ? Any ideas ?
>


Okay, i got some good links -
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/wubi

So, it seems that i need to reboot
to switch to linux :-( :-(

Wubi is a program that that allows
you to install Ubuntu as a dual-boot
by installing it as a huge file inside
of Windows and then modifying the
Windows boot loader to add an
entry for Ubuntu.

http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2007/06/22/wubi-dual-boot-windows-ubuntu-f=
ree/
Wubi allows you to install and uninstall
Ubuntu as any other application. If you
heard about Linux and Ubuntu, if you
wanted to try them without the fear
of losing windows or data or partioning,
then wubi seems to be the right choice.

It does not provide co-existence
of Windows and Linux at the same
time :-(

Karthik Balaguru
Reply by karthikbalaguru ●January 23, 20102010-01-23
On Jan 5, 5:51=A0am, Kevin John Panzke <kevin.pan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2:23=A0pm, karthikbalaguru <karthikbalagur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I need Windows for certain applications
> > and Linux for certain other applications.
> > But, the computer currently has only
> > Linux(Ubuntu Destop version - 9.10) on it.
> > I do not wish to disturb the Linux installed
> > on it. So, i am trying to have Windows via
> > USB stick !! :-)
>
> > I am following the below steps for
> > Windows XP from USB stick -http://www.winusb.de/index_en.html
> > (Windows XP is booted from USB Stick)
>
> > But,
> > I understand that by the above method
> > we can have the Windows XP booted
> > up from the USB Stick and Windows
> > XP will be using entire RAM :-(
>
> > But, i would like to have Linux also !
> > Is it possible to have Linux and Windows
> > simulataneously so that i can switch
> > between Linux & Windows ?
>
> > Any ideas ?
>
> TRY DUAL BOOTING BETWEEN WINDOWS XP AND UBUNTU 9.10 USING WUBI.EXE!
>


I have not tried wubi :-(

If i use Wubi, should i need to
restart windows whenever i
want to enter into Linux ?

I did some searches in internet,
and got the below info -
'Ubuntu is installed within a file
in the Windows file system
(c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk), as
opposed to being installed
within its own partition. This file
is seen by Linux as a real hard disk. '

The above lines seem to convey
that windows and linux co-exist
because Ubuntu is installed within
a file in the Windows File system.

The above seem to convey that
linux can be run just like any
other application in windows by
just clicking over the shortcut in
windows . Do they co-exist ?

But, I came across the below line
that states that 'Wubi adds an
entry to the Windows boot menu
which allows the user to run Linux'.

So, should i need to restart evertime
to enter into linux ? Any ideas ?

Thx in advans,
Karthik Balaguru
Reply by David Brown ●January 8, 20102010-01-08
karthikbalaguru wrote:


> 
> A very big list is present in the below link-
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines
> It contains GPL versions also.
> 
> Lot of flavours :-(,
> But, which is the best freely available platform
> virtual machine ?
> 


It all depends on your needs.

For general use, I'd recommend Virtual Box.  It's easy to install and 
use, cross-platform, pretty fast for most uses, has reasonably 
successful support for USB devices, and has useful guest drivers and 
additions.  It is very close to "free" - most of it is available open 
source, and the even the closed-source bits are free cost.

If you are using a Linux host, kvm is it the other main choice.  It 
takes a bit more work (such as reading how-tos) to use it, but it is 
solid and flexible.  It is a good choice for more serious work on a 
Linux host.

QEMU is the choice if you are emulating different processors.

Free versions of VMWare are a good choice if you need compatibility with 
existing VMWare virtual machines - otherwise you are better off with 
Virtual Box (the paid-for versions of WMWare have other features that 
might make them worth the cost).

For DOS emulation, use DOSBOX.

And for multiple linux virtual servers on a linux host, something like 
openvz is often a better choice, being so lightweight.


So in summary, choose Virtual Box unless you have more specialist needs.
Reply by karthikbalaguru ●January 8, 20102010-01-08
On Jan 5, 2:07=A0am, S...@ControlQ.com wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Henning wrote:
> > "karthikbalaguru" <karthikbalagur...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:68d792d9-bc5c-4356-b8d9-713b8f2e933b@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com..=

.

> >> Hi,
> >> I need Windows for certain applications
> >> and Linux for certain other applications.
> >> But, the computer currently has only
> >> Linux(Ubuntu Destop version - 9.10) on it.
> >> I do not wish to disturb the Linux installed
> >> on it. So, i am trying to have Windows via
> >> USB stick !! :-)
>
> >> I am following the below steps for
> >> Windows XP from USB stick -
> >>http://www.winusb.de/index_en.html
> >> (Windows XP is booted from USB Stick)
>
> >> But,
> >> I understand that by the above method
> >> we can have the Windows XP booted
> >> up from the USB Stick and Windows
> >> XP will be using entire RAM :-(
>
> >> But, i would like to have Linux also !
> >> Is it possible to have Linux and Windows
> >> simulataneously so that i can switch
> >> between Linux & Windows ?
>
> >> Any ideas ?
>
> >> Thx in advans,
> >> Karthik Balaguru
>
> > Install Xp in VirtualBox?
>
> > /Henning
>
> Bochs, Virtualbox, QEMU, VMWare ... all can run
> Windows in emulation under Linux ... Wine is also
> a solution.
>


A very big list is present in the below link-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines
It contains GPL versions also.

Lot of flavours :-(,
But, which is the best freely available platform
virtual machine ?

Karthik Balaguru
Reply by Dave Nadler ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
On Jan 5, 6:17=A0pm, Dave Nadler <d...@nadler.com> wrote:

> On Jan 5, 3:56=A0pm, "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodg...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:07 -0500, Dave Nadler <d...@nadler.com> wrote=

:

> > > Can any of you guys recommend a utility to snapshot an existing XP
> > > machine into a VM image, where the utility is run on the existing XP
> > > machine ?
>
> > I doubt that can be done, as a full copy of the drive is required. =A0Y=

ou

> > cannot make a useful copy of the drive while it's being updated by the
> > running xp system.
>
> > If you provide more info on what you are trying to accomplish, and what
> > hardware you have available, perhaps another solution can be found.
>
> > Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> > --
> > Change nomail.afraid.org to ody.ca to reply by email.
> > (nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
> > use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)
>


Sorry, keyboard misfire...

There are a number of utilities that can do this.
I was hoping for recommendations. I have Acronis
(which can do this) but it wants a license for each
machine. Other utilities don't seem to be reliable...

I'm going to try VMconverter and qemu-img, we'll see.

Best Regards, Dave
Reply by Dave Nadler ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
On Jan 5, 3:56=A0pm, "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodg...@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:07 -0500, Dave Nadler <d...@nadler.com> wrote:
> > Can any of you guys recommend a utility to snapshot an existing XP
> > machine into a VM image, where the utility is run on the existing XP
> > machine ?
>
> I doubt that can be done, as a full copy of the drive is required. =A0You
> cannot make a useful copy of the drive while it's being updated by the
> running xp system.
>
> If you provide more info on what you are trying to accomplish, and what
> hardware you have available, perhaps another solution can be found.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> --
> Change nomail.afraid.org to ody.ca to reply by email.
> (nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
> use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)


There are a number of utilities that can do this.
I was hoping for recommendations. I have Acronis
(which can do this) but it wants a license for each
machine. Other utilities don't seem to be reliable...
I'm going to try

Best Regards, Dave

a license for each machine
Reply by Shenan Stanley ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
David W. Hodgins wrote:

> I doubt that can be done, as a full copy of the drive is required. You 
> cannot make a useful copy of the drive while it's being updated
> by the running xp system.
>
> If you provide more info on what you are trying to accomplish, and
> what hardware you have available, perhaps another solution can be
> found.


VMware converter can do it and if you have the right setup - remotely. ;-)

-- 
Shenan Stanley
     MS-MVP
-- 
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Reply by David W. Hodgins ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:18:07 -0500, Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> wrote:


> Can any of you guys recommend a utility to snapshot an existing XP
> machine into a VM image, where the utility is run on the existing XP
> machine ?


I doubt that can be done, as a full copy of the drive is required.  You
cannot make a useful copy of the drive while it's being updated by the
running xp system.

If you provide more info on what you are trying to accomplish, and what
hardware you have available, perhaps another solution can be found.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

-- 
Change nomail.afraid.org to ody.ca to reply by email.
(nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)
Reply by Shenan Stanley ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
Dave Nadler wrote:

> Can any of you guys recommend a utility to snapshot an existing XP
> machine into a VM image, where the utility is run on the existing XP
> machine ?


VMware has a converter (p2v, etc) that does a good job.
http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/get.html

You can also utilize your favorite imaging utility to do it (I've used 
several in the past to make a drive image and apply it to a virtual machine 
drive.)

-- 
Shenan Stanley
     MS-MVP
-- 
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Reply by Dave Nadler ●January 5, 20102010-01-05
On Jan 4, 5:19=A0pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> karthikbalaguru wrote:
> > I need Windows for certain applications
> > and Linux for certain other applications.
> > But, the computer currently has only
> > Linux(Ubuntu Destop version - 9.10) on it.
> > I do not wish to disturb the Linux installed
> > on it. So, i am trying to have Windows via
> > USB stick !! :-)
>
> > I am following the below steps for
> > Windows XP from USB stick -
> >http://www.winusb.de/index_en.html
> > (Windows XP is booted from USB Stick)
>
> > But,
> > I understand that by the above method
> > we can have the Windows XP booted
> > up from the USB Stick and Windows
> > XP will be using entire RAM :-(
>
> > But, i would like to have Linux also !
> > Is it possible to have Linux and Windows
> > simulataneously so that i can switch
> > between Linux & Windows ?
>
> > Any ideas ?
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> > Use a virtual machine instead. =A0VirtualBox is free.
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > So is Vmware. Pretty much rock solid for me here. used daily.
>
> Clarification: VMware Player and VMware Server are free. =A0VMware Workst=

ation

> will cost you.
>
> Either work fantastically. =A0Either is better than dual-booting/booting =

from

> USB/booting from CD or DVD/using something like WINE, IMHO.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> =A0 =A0 =A0MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-que=

stions.html

Can any of you guys recommend a utility to snapshot an existing XP
machine into a VM image, where the utility is run on the existing XP
machine ?

Thanks in advance,
Best Regards, Dave