Ulf Samuelsson wrote:
> Bob skrev:
>> On 23 Apr, 21:50, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>>> ATmega Slugs
>>>
>>> Sparkfun just got lumbered with counterfeit 
>>> ATmega328s:http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350
>>>
>>> Makes for interesting reading. Check out the comments also.
>>
>> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
>> if I was running a company... :)
>>
>> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...
> 
> I think that if you can't find the culprit, it is meaningless
> to file complaints.

    If you complain to the U.S. Trade Representative
about counterfeiting, to the Embassy of China, and the China
Semiconductor Industry Association, you might be able to find them.
China does require all businesses to be registered with the
Government, and there will be a paper trail somewhere.

    In particular, the China Semiconductor Industry Association
might well be interested.  They're trying to make their industry
more respectable.  The last thing they want is companies boycotting
China sources.

    Also recognize that Chinese law tends to be rather tough.  It's
hard to get the attention of the authorities in China, but once you
do, pain will be applied to somebody.

				John Nagle

Bob skrev:
> On 23 Apr, 21:50, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>> ATmega Slugs
>>
>> Sparkfun just got lumbered with counterfeit ATmega328s:http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350
>>
>> Makes for interesting reading. Check out the comments also.
> 
> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
> if I was running a company... :)
> 
> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...

I think that if you can't find the culprit, it is meaningless
to file complaints.

Probably a good idea to pay through an escrow.
Check that the companyy has existed for a significant amount of time
before you start to trade with them.

You probably want to have a photo of the package.
Buying a component today, which is manufactured in 2007,
has it's own problems.


-- 
Best Regards
Ulf Samuelsson
These are my own personal opinions, which may
or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB

Interesting...

Thanks Don. 

John Nagle wrote:
> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> ATmega Slugs
>>
>> Sparkfun just got lumbered with counterfeit ATmega328s:
>> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350
>>
>> Makes for interesting reading. Check out the comments also.
>>
>> Cheers Don...
> 
>    Sparkfun needs to raise hell over this.  They need to contact
> Atmel, the office of the U.S. Trade Representative, and the trade
> attache of the Embassy of China.  Point out how counterfeiting
> invites trade sanctions.  Since the USTR is currently pushing
> the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement", ask what sanctions
> would be appropriate here. For example, seizing all shipments into
> the US from that vendor might be appropriate.

I agree 100% John,

Quoting SF:
"We were in a pinch and didn't vet the supplier like we should have. 
Live and learn."

Doesn't sound like SK may be going to pursue this, YET THEY MUST. We as 
customers, are paying for it after all.

A well known Atmel employee already reads and posts to 
comp.robotics.misc, so I would think that Atmel will be aware by now.

Cheers Don...



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Don McKenzie wrote:
> 
> ATmega Slugs
> 
> Sparkfun just got lumbered with counterfeit ATmega328s:
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350
> 
> Makes for interesting reading. Check out the comments also.
> 
> Cheers Don...

    Sparkfun needs to raise hell over this.  They need to contact
Atmel, the office of the U.S. Trade Representative, and the trade
attache of the Embassy of China.  Point out how counterfeiting
invites trade sanctions.  Since the USTR is currently pushing
the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement", ask what sanctions
would be appropriate here. For example, seizing all shipments into
the US from that vendor might be appropriate.

				John Nagle

"Bill Naylor" <rubbish@ectronworks.co.uk> wrote

>
>"Ray" <ray@mrjones.id.au> wrote in message 
>news:4bd370e0$0$8780$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 4/24/2010 7:00 PM, Frank Buss wrote:
>>> Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
>>>> if I was running a company... :)
>>>>
>>>> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...
>>>
>>> Yes, of course: buy it for $0.50 and sell it for $5.00 on eBay :-)
>>> But the comments clarifies it: Sparkfun was very naive in thinking it 
>>> could
>>> be used for soldering training and removed it very fast from their shop.
>>>
>> Yeah probably no good for solder training either, probably won't tin 
>> properly etc
>
>It is a big problem in the industry and the longer the lead times get, the 
>more the counterfeiters benefit
>
It is a HUGE problem.

Hitachi (Renesas) suffer from it too.

It is usually visually obvious by looking at the package. The people
doing this are pretty stupid.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:29:45 +1000, Ray <ray@mrjones.id.au> wrote:

>Yeah probably no good for solder training either, probably won't tin 
>properly etc

They got that just like good components then...

-- 
Geo

"Ray" <ray@mrjones.id.au> wrote in message 
news:4bd370e0$0$8780$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> On 4/24/2010 7:00 PM, Frank Buss wrote:
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>>> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
>>> if I was running a company... :)
>>>
>>> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...
>>
>> Yes, of course: buy it for $0.50 and sell it for $5.00 on eBay :-)
>> But the comments clarifies it: Sparkfun was very naive in thinking it 
>> could
>> be used for soldering training and removed it very fast from their shop.
>>
> Yeah probably no good for solder training either, probably won't tin 
> properly etc

It is a big problem in the industry and the longer the lead times get, the 
more the counterfeiters benefit

On 4/24/2010 7:00 PM, Frank Buss wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
>> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
>> if I was running a company... :)
>>
>> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...
>
> Yes, of course: buy it for $0.50 and sell it for $5.00 on eBay :-)
> But the comments clarifies it: Sparkfun was very naive in thinking it could
> be used for soldering training and removed it very fast from their shop.
>
Yeah probably no good for solder training either, probably won't tin 
properly etc

Bob wrote:

> "Sparkfun sells counterfeit ICs" isn't a headline I would like to see
> if I was running a company... :)
> 
> Surprisingly, some people actually seem to be buying them...

Yes, of course: buy it for $0.50 and sell it for $5.00 on eBay :-)
But the comments clarifies it: Sparkfun was very naive in thinking it could
be used for soldering training and removed it very fast from their shop.

-- 
Frank Buss, fb@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de