In message <hsubt5$t8n$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.
stop.fi.invalid writes
>Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>> In message <hsu6nu$lp5$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.
>> stop.fi.invalid writes
>>>Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>>> I agree... people are getting more extreme. Sad really. When I saw the
>>>> picture I saw a (well executed) pastiche of a propaganda poster. IE
>>>> nothing to be taken seriously. The artistic detail on it is very good
>>>> EXCEPT... look at it again the "PC" in question appears to be one of
>>>> the Apple Mac range....
>>>That picture is an edited version, the original version read "When you
>>>pirate MP3s, you're downloading Communism" or something similar. The
>>>computer is indeed Apple's original iMac, which says something about how
>>>old the poster is.
>> Thanks for the information... Do you have a link to the picture?
>
><http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0011/mp3/before.fm>, available as a
>poster, shirt or mug if you really REALLY like it. They also did a poster
>for the opposing side, but the picture file seems to be broken:
><http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0011/mp3/>
>
>-a
Thanks
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Reply by ●May 18, 20102010-05-18
Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
> In message <hsu6nu$lp5$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.
> stop.fi.invalid writes
>>Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>> I agree... people are getting more extreme. Sad really. When I saw the
>>> picture I saw a (well executed) pastiche of a propaganda poster. IE
>>> nothing to be taken seriously. The artistic detail on it is very good
>>> EXCEPT... look at it again the "PC" in question appears to be one of
>>> the Apple Mac range....
>>That picture is an edited version, the original version read "When you
>>pirate MP3s, you're downloading Communism" or something similar. The
>>computer is indeed Apple's original iMac, which says something about how
>>old the poster is.
> Thanks for the information... Do you have a link to the picture?
In message <hsu6nu$lp5$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.
stop.fi.invalid writes
>Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>> I agree... people are getting more extreme. Sad really. When I saw the
>> picture I saw a (well executed) pastiche of a propaganda poster. IE
>> nothing to be taken seriously. The artistic detail on it is very good
>> EXCEPT... look at it again the "PC" in question appears to be one of
>> the Apple Mac range....
>
>That picture is an edited version, the original version read "When you
>pirate MP3s, you're downloading Communism" or something similar. The
>computer is indeed Apple's original iMac, which says something about how
>old the poster is.
>
>-a
Thanks for the information... Do you have a link to the picture?
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Reply by ●May 18, 20102010-05-18
Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
> I agree... people are getting more extreme. Sad really. When I saw the
> picture I saw a (well executed) pastiche of a propaganda poster. IE
> nothing to be taken seriously. The artistic detail on it is very good
> EXCEPT... look at it again the "PC" in question appears to be one of
> the Apple Mac range....
That picture is an edited version, the original version read "When you
pirate MP3s, you're downloading Communism" or something similar. The
computer is indeed Apple's original iMac, which says something about how
old the poster is.
-a
Reply by David Brown●May 18, 20102010-05-18
On 18/05/2010 13:27, Chris H wrote:
> In message<4bf2641f$0$2016$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown
> <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>> On 18/05/2010 10:39, Chris H wrote:
>>> I am not sure either. However itis on a par with the arguments above
>>> that using open source puts people out of work at Microsoft (actually
>>> they are probably empl;oying more lawyers :-). and that Open source
>>> programmers eat babies and rape your mother/sister etc :-)
>>>
>>>> It's not particularly impressive either way.
>>>
>>> You are just upset it pokes fun at your cult. Relax. No one is taking it
>>> seriously are they?
>>>
>>
>> It's not a cult,
>
> Depends where you stand and who you talk to.
>
>> and I'm not upset.
>
> OK..... :-)
>
>> Perhaps my post was overstating my reaction.
>
> I think so. Relax. I was not expecting anyone other than the idiot who
> was claiming OS== communists would take it seriously.
>
>> I guess I just don't think think there was anything worthwhile in that
>> picture - it is too worn out to have any entertainment value, and isn't
>> a particularly clever, funny or artistic copy.
>
> Then we have to disagree. I know a lot of people who think it was funny,
> well executed and a very good pastiche. (Artists, photographers and Non
> Open Source Devotees, there are people I know who do open source who
> are not fanatical about it thought it was very good)
>
I agree to disagree :-) I suppose these things are a matter of taste.
>> The trouble with this sort of thing is that there /are/ people who
>> really do believe such nonsense as "open source is communism"
>
> I know. Frightening isn't it? :-) I am not really sure on how the logic
> works for that.
>
You're making an unwarranted assumption - logic has nothing to do with it!
>
>> They may be Americans,
> No one else gets quite so wound up about communism. That was last
> millennium's "problem" and only for 50 years at that. These days they
> are wound up over "islamo-fascists"
>
Some people seem to define themselves in terms of who they are not, or
who or what they dislike, rather than anything positive. I like to
think that's a minority of people, but sometimes they seem to be a
rather loud minority.
>
>> Even the great BG himself said something close to this, and there are
>> many people who treat his word as gospel.
>
> BG? The man who had to play catch up on the significance of the
> Internet? The company who launched VISTA? Also you know how MS plays in
> the industry... Bill is no more independent than the FOSS types who
> rant over a pastiche of a propaganda poster.
>
Yes, that's the one.
>>>> The OP had technical issues about doing PIC development with Ubuntu. I
>>>> hope the earlier technical answers helped him out.
>>>
>>> AFAIK it would be stupid to try and put any Linux or Unix on to a PIC
>>> 16. Wrong sort of architecture. Better with a smaller Kernel system or
>>> bigger MCU.
>>
>> I believe the OP was using Ubuntu as the development host, not on the
>> target. Apart from a few experiments long ago, *nix has always been
>> strictly 32 bit or more.
>
> In that case I misunderstood. I just got caught up by the wonderful
> delusional outpourings of Open source == communism! Now not even I have
> suggested that in any of my discussions.
>
> Given the sort of people who use PIC, ie a lot of small, home, student
> and hobby experimenters I would have thought there would be Linux based
> dev tools for PIC though Microchip are notoriously difficult to deal
> with if you want inside information on their tools.
>
Actually, it is the small user market that is most heavily dominated by
windows-only tools. You can divide software roughly into expensive
closed source, low-cost or free closed source, commercially supported
open source, and zero cost open source. (I'm talking cash costs here,
not time costs.) There are host operating systems in each category, and
applications (including development tools) in each category. The small
user is typically looking for free or low cost tools, but running on
windows (a low cost version). People using open source OS's for their
development hosts are either particularly technical small users, or
serious professionals who understand the advantages and have the skills
and support required.
So Microchip's developers are, as small users, mostly running windows.
You get the same for many other micros - most users of avr gcc run it
with windows, for example.
Reply by Chris H●May 18, 20102010-05-18
In message <4bf2641f$0$2016$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown
<david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>On 18/05/2010 10:39, Chris H wrote:
>> I am not sure either. However itis on a par with the arguments above
>> that using open source puts people out of work at Microsoft (actually
>> they are probably empl;oying more lawyers :-). and that Open source
>> programmers eat babies and rape your mother/sister etc :-)
>>
>>> It's not particularly impressive either way.
>>
>> You are just upset it pokes fun at your cult. Relax. No one is taking it
>> seriously are they?
>>
>
>It's not a cult,
Depends where you stand and who you talk to.
> and I'm not upset.
OK..... :-)
> Perhaps my post was overstating my reaction.
I think so. Relax. I was not expecting anyone other than the idiot who
was claiming OS== communists would take it seriously.
>I guess I just don't think think there was anything worthwhile in that
>picture - it is too worn out to have any entertainment value, and isn't
>a particularly clever, funny or artistic copy.
Then we have to disagree. I know a lot of people who think it was funny,
well executed and a very good pastiche. (Artists, photographers and Non
Open Source Devotees, there are people I know who do open source who
are not fanatical about it thought it was very good)
>The trouble with this sort of thing is that there /are/ people who
>really do believe such nonsense as "open source is communism"
I know. Frightening isn't it? :-) I am not really sure on how the logic
works for that.
>- this "Starinski" guy appears to be one of them.
Yes which is why this poster sprang to mind. Two of a kind and you
don't take either seriously. At least the picture has some artistic
merit and is, I assume, a piss take. I can not for one moment think the
authors took it seriously.
> People with such one-sided ideas - whether it be "open source is the
>root of all evil" or "open source is the savour of mankind" - /do/ tend
>to take things like this seriously.
I know.
>I'm all for poking fun at extreme ideas, or even perfectly good and
>sensible ideas. And I'm all for artistic interpretations that make
>people think, or that just look nice.
As this poster does. It is a very well executed pastiche on the genre.
All the details are there. Not that it is my favourite style of art.
> But something that is designed just to bug people and isn't funny,
>doesn't come with new ideas or information, and doesn't even look nice,
>has very little merit (except perhaps as a discussion starter).
It only bugs the fanatics.
>Unfortunately, there are many who /do/ take this seriously.
Then they should have it waved in front of them so they react and we can
identify them.
> They may be Americans,
No one else gets quite so wound up about communism. That was last
millennium's "problem" and only for 50 years at that. These days they
are wound up over "islamo-fascists"
>but like it or not, the USA is a fairly big player in the technical
>world.
But shrinking player. The emphasis has moved.
> Even the great BG himself said something close to this, and there are
>many people who treat his word as gospel.
BG? The man who had to play catch up on the significance of the
Internet? The company who launched VISTA? Also you know how MS plays in
the industry... Bill is no more independent than the FOSS types who
rant over a pastiche of a propaganda poster.
>>> I don't want to feed this new troll by going into detail -
>>
>> Neither did I but the propaganda-poster is so OTT that I assumed that no
>> one would take it seriously. (So un-twist your undergarments) As I said
>> the troll poster reminded me of the Open-source == communism poster. As
>> I said it is a propaganda poster. No one takes them seriously except in
>> US elections and health care debates (no lets not go there :-).
>>
>
>I suppose that most of the c.a.e. readers are a bit more sensible than
>that.
I would like to thinks so but there is more noise to signal and a lot of
the old regulars seem to have gone or be just lurking these days. It is
not like it was in the early 90's
>Maybe I've just be hearing or reading too much about fanatics (of any
>sort, not just in the IT world) these days.
I agree... people are getting more extreme. Sad really. When I saw the
picture I saw a (well executed) pastiche of a propaganda poster. IE
nothing to be taken seriously. The artistic detail on it is very good
EXCEPT... look at it again the "PC" in question appears to be one of
the Apple Mac range.... Didn't they have a range of coloured Mac's with
a handle set in the top as per the picture? I thing this is the work of
a Mac programmer (media/graphics person?) not some one using MS sw at
all. The closest they may get to MS is using Office on the Mac. (Which
is better than on the PC :-)
>>> The OP had technical issues about doing PIC development with Ubuntu. I
>>> hope the earlier technical answers helped him out.
>>
>> AFAIK it would be stupid to try and put any Linux or Unix on to a PIC
>> 16. Wrong sort of architecture. Better with a smaller Kernel system or
>> bigger MCU.
>
>I believe the OP was using Ubuntu as the development host, not on the
>target. Apart from a few experiments long ago, *nix has always been
>strictly 32 bit or more.
In that case I misunderstood. I just got caught up by the wonderful
delusional outpourings of Open source == communism! Now not even I have
suggested that in any of my discussions.
Given the sort of people who use PIC, ie a lot of small, home, student
and hobby experimenters I would have thought there would be Linux based
dev tools for PIC though Microchip are notoriously difficult to deal
with if you want inside information on their tools.
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Reply by David Brown●May 18, 20102010-05-18
On 18/05/2010 10:39, Chris H wrote:
> In message<4bf23fe3$0$2547$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown
> <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>> On 17/05/2010 23:21, Chris H wrote:
>>> In message<WUvHn.11400$Gx2.3095@newsfe20.iad>, Richard Seriani
>>> <richard_s633@cox.net> writes
>>>>
>>>
>>> Made me think of
>>> http://www.phaedsys.com/pub/open_source_communism.jpg
>>>
>>> Artistically it is a very good poster. A pastiche on the WW2/Cold War
>>> propaganda posters. I have no idea where it comes from or who did it.
>>> If anyone knows please let me know.
>>>
>>
>> Artistically it is unimaginative
> Not at all. It is very well executed.
>
>> and clich�d.
>
> Yes.
>
>> And like a lot of propaganda posters, it bears no resemblance to
>> reality.
>
> Of course. You seem to be confusing the art with the message....
> actually I am not sure if it is serious or a parody.
>
>> In wartime, the truth is often sacrificed for the good of public moral
>
> "Often"? ..... "always"
>
>> - we are not at war.
>
> There are lots of wars going on. Half the world is engaged in a war
> somewhere. Some military some political most financial and commercial.
>
>> I don't know whether this poster is a parody of the most ridiculous
>> arguments against open source, or an /example/ of the most ridiculous
>> arguments against open source.
>
> I am not sure either. However itis on a par with the arguments above
> that using open source puts people out of work at Microsoft (actually
> they are probably empl;oying more lawyers :-). and that Open source
> programmers eat babies and rape your mother/sister etc :-)
>
>> It's not particularly impressive either way.
>
> You are just upset it pokes fun at your cult. Relax. No one is taking it
> seriously are they?
>
It's not a cult, and I'm not upset. Perhaps my post was overstating my
reaction.
I guess I just don't think think there was anything worthwhile in that
picture - it is too worn out to have any entertainment value, and isn't
a particularly clever, funny or artistic copy.
The trouble with this sort of thing is that there /are/ people who
really do believe such nonsense as "open source is communism" - this
"Starinski" guy appears to be one of them. People with such one-sided
ideas - whether it be "open source is the root of all evil" or "open
source is the savour of mankind" - /do/ tend to take things like this
seriously.
I'm all for poking fun at extreme ideas, or even perfectly good and
sensible ideas. And I'm all for artistic interpretations that make
people think, or that just look nice. But something that is designed
just to bug people and isn't funny, doesn't come with new ideas or
information, and doesn't even look nice, has very little merit (except
perhaps as a discussion starter).
>> As for the "open source is communism" arguments, these have been
>> debunked so many times that no one seriously uses them any more.
>
> Who was being serious? I have never heard anyone equate Open Source with
> communism. I assume some Americans might but they have a history of that
> sort of thing. I assume that the poster is of US origin as Europe has
> never had a problem with Reds under the beds etc.
>
Unfortunately, there are many who /do/ take this seriously. They may be
Americans, but like it or not, the USA is a fairly big player in the
technical world. Even the great BG himself said something close to
this, and there are many people who treat his word as gospel.
>> I don't want to feed this new troll by going into detail -
>
> Neither did I but the propaganda-poster is so OTT that I assumed that no
> one would take it seriously. (So un-twist your undergarments) As I said
> the troll poster reminded me of the Open-source == communism poster. As
> I said it is a propaganda poster. No one takes them seriously except in
> US elections and health care debates (no lets not go there :-).
>
I suppose that most of the c.a.e. readers are a bit more sensible than
that. Maybe I've just be hearing or reading too much about fanatics (of
any sort, not just in the IT world) these days.
>> The OP had technical issues about doing PIC development with Ubuntu. I
>> hope the earlier technical answers helped him out.
>
> AFAIK it would be stupid to try and put any Linux or Unix on to a PIC
> 16. Wrong sort of architecture. Better with a smaller Kernel system or
> bigger MCU.
>
I believe the OP was using Ubuntu as the development host, not on the
target. Apart from a few experiments long ago, *nix has always been
strictly 32 bit or more.
Reply by Chris H●May 18, 20102010-05-18
In message <4bf23fe3$0$2547$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown
<david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>On 17/05/2010 23:21, Chris H wrote:
>> In message<WUvHn.11400$Gx2.3095@newsfe20.iad>, Richard Seriani
>> <richard_s633@cox.net> writes
>>>
>>
>> Made me think of
>> http://www.phaedsys.com/pub/open_source_communism.jpg
>>
>> Artistically it is a very good poster. A pastiche on the WW2/Cold War
>> propaganda posters. I have no idea where it comes from or who did it.
>> If anyone knows please let me know.
>>
>
>Artistically it is unimaginative
Not at all. It is very well executed.
>and clich�d.
Yes.
> And like a lot of propaganda posters, it bears no resemblance to
>reality.
Of course. You seem to be confusing the art with the message....
actually I am not sure if it is serious or a parody.
> In wartime, the truth is often sacrificed for the good of public moral
"Often"? ..... "always"
> - we are not at war.
There are lots of wars going on. Half the world is engaged in a war
somewhere. Some military some political most financial and commercial.
> I don't know whether this poster is a parody of the most ridiculous
>arguments against open source, or an /example/ of the most ridiculous
>arguments against open source.
I am not sure either. However itis on a par with the arguments above
that using open source puts people out of work at Microsoft (actually
they are probably empl;oying more lawyers :-). and that Open source
programmers eat babies and rape your mother/sister etc :-)
> It's not particularly impressive either way.
You are just upset it pokes fun at your cult. Relax. No one is taking it
seriously are they?
>As for the "open source is communism" arguments, these have been
>debunked so many times that no one seriously uses them any more.
Who was being serious? I have never heard anyone equate Open Source with
communism. I assume some Americans might but they have a history of that
sort of thing. I assume that the poster is of US origin as Europe has
never had a problem with Reds under the beds etc.
> I don't want to feed this new troll by going into detail -
Neither did I but the propaganda-poster is so OTT that I assumed that no
one would take it seriously. (So un-twist your undergarments) As I said
the troll poster reminded me of the Open-source == communism poster. As
I said it is a propaganda poster. No one takes them seriously except in
US elections and health care debates (no lets not go there :-).
>The OP had technical issues about doing PIC development with Ubuntu. I
>hope the earlier technical answers helped him out.
AFAIK it would be stupid to try and put any Linux or Unix on to a PIC
16. Wrong sort of architecture. Better with a smaller Kernel system or
bigger MCU.
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Reply by David Brown●May 18, 20102010-05-18
On 17/05/2010 23:21, Chris H wrote:
> In message<WUvHn.11400$Gx2.3095@newsfe20.iad>, Richard Seriani
> <richard_s633@cox.net> writes
>>
>> "Stanley Starinski"<no@no.com> wrote in message
>> news:hskfe3$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Do yourself a favor:
>>>
>>> 1) Use Windows.
>>>
>>> 2) Download/use Microchip MPLAB IDE.
>>>
>>> 3) Download/use Microchip "C18" C-compiler.
>>> It's free for 2 months w/optimizations, after 2 months optimizations get
>>> disabled but you can still compile code, you don't need optimizations as
>>> you seem to be a novice anyway. If you want optimizations to never get
>>> disabled, ask me but my& everyone's email here is hidden for security and
>>> I DON"T read this Group too often, so I won't know when/if you ask.
>>>
>>> 4) Stop the teenage/geek/nerd-obsession with Ubuntu. It's a crap OS for
>>> 3d world or people who think "Capitalism is evil".
>>>
>>> Listen to me:
>>> YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. YOU PAY NOTHING FOR UBUNUTU (IT'S LINUX - SO
>>> IT'S FREE). SO WHAT DO YOU EXPEC TTO GET FROM IT?
>>> Burning DVD'd, email& word processor? If that's all you need, then
>>> Ubuntu is OK. If you want WORK to get done (business), the you will
>>> forget Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> FYI:
>>> Ubuntu flavor of Linux is sponsored by Mike Shuttleworth, he makes mony on
>>> supporting Ubuntu so if you enjoy the idea of "free software" not only is
>>> someone making money off you fools, but it's also killing capitalism. If
>>> nobody gets paid for their work creating Software, nobody takes
>>> responsibility for its quality, progress or creating JOBS.
>>>
>>> Everytime you try playing with Ubuntu, you kill a job at Microsoft, which
>>> in turn kills a job at fast food joints, car dealers, etc. - where that
>>> person who lost his job at Mirosofto stops shopping. It's a cycle.
>>>
>>> So please buy software, and maybe you won't have a problem "recognizing
>>> PIC" Micorcontroller.
>> Stan Starinski or Mark Licetti, or what ever name you are using this week -
>>
>> How interesting. You lambaste those who use a freely available, non-windows,
>> operating system as destroying capitalism, then offer to help them steal the
>> use of C18 optimization (if they can get in touch with you). ("If you want
>> optimizations to never get disabled, ask me but my& everyone's email here
>> is hidden for security and I DON"T read this Group too often, so I won't
>> know when/if you ask.")
>>
>> Your "understanding" of the power of Ubuntu is that "Everytime you try
>> playing with Ubuntu, you kill a job at Microsoft, which in turn kills a job
>> at fast food joints, car dealers, etc. - where that person who lost his job
>> at Mirosofto stops shopping. It's a cycle."
>> I seriously doubt a Microsoft employee loses his or her job every time
>> someone tries "playing with Ubuntu". If this were true, Microsoft would have
>> been defunct a long time ago. The last time I checked, Bill Gates, his
>> employees, and Microsoft stockholders were still hanging in there.
>> Furthermore, your leap to one lost job at MS to one lost job as each of
>> several other businesses shows a complete lack of understanding of
>> economics.
>>
>> Your opinion of Ubuntu is that "It's a crap OS for 3d world or people who
>> think "Capitalism is evil"." How in the world did you arrive at this
>> conclusion? What can you offer as supporting evidence? Most of the folks I
>> know who "play" with Ubuntu and other variants do so because they want a
>> reliable operating system for important applications. Some simply want to
>> tell their operating system what to do, instead of the other way around, and
>> do it without all the fancy, nearly mindless, GUIs in existance today. Many
>> of those I know live in the U.S., U.K., and Italy (non third-workd
>> countries, yet), use both Windows and Linux for various applications, and
>> all are "capitalists".
>>
>> Again, you finish by saying, "So please buy software...". How does this
>> square with your "teenage/geek/nerd-obsession with" stealing software,
>> perpetuating the "cycle" you accuse the Ubuntu users of?
>>
>> Richard Seriani, Sr.
>> (Real name and not a Ubuntu user-yet)
>
> Made me think of
> http://www.phaedsys.com/pub/open_source_communism.jpg
>
> Artistically it is a very good poster. A pastiche on the WW2/Cold War
> propaganda posters. I have no idea where it comes from or who did it.
> If anyone knows please let me know.
>
Artistically it is unimaginative and clich�d. And like a lot of
propaganda posters, it bears no resemblance to reality. In wartime, the
truth is often sacrificed for the good of public moral - we are not at
war. I don't know whether this poster is a parody of the most
ridiculous arguments against open source, or an /example/ of the most
ridiculous arguments against open source. It's not particularly
impressive either way.
As for the "open source is communism" arguments, these have been
debunked so many times that no one seriously uses them any more. I
don't want to feed this new troll by going into detail - it's easy
enough to find arguments and counter-arguments with google. The same
goes for the claims of open source development costing jobs.
The OP had technical issues about doing PIC development with Ubuntu. I
hope the earlier technical answers helped him out.
Reply by Chris H●May 17, 20102010-05-17
In message <WUvHn.11400$Gx2.3095@newsfe20.iad>, Richard Seriani
<richard_s633@cox.net> writes
>
>"Stanley Starinski" <no@no.com> wrote in message
>news:hskfe3$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Do yourself a favor:
>>
>> 1) Use Windows.
>>
>> 2) Download/use Microchip MPLAB IDE.
>>
>> 3) Download/use Microchip "C18" C-compiler.
>> It's free for 2 months w/optimizations, after 2 months optimizations get
>> disabled but you can still compile code, you don't need optimizations as
>> you seem to be a novice anyway. If you want optimizations to never get
>> disabled, ask me but my & everyone's email here is hidden for security and
>> I DON"T read this Group too often, so I won't know when/if you ask.
>>
>> 4) Stop the teenage/geek/nerd-obsession with Ubuntu. It's a crap OS for
>> 3d world or people who think "Capitalism is evil".
>>
>> Listen to me:
>> YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. YOU PAY NOTHING FOR UBUNUTU (IT'S LINUX - SO
>> IT'S FREE). SO WHAT DO YOU EXPEC TTO GET FROM IT?
>> Burning DVD'd, email & word processor? If that's all you need, then
>> Ubuntu is OK. If you want WORK to get done (business), the you will
>> forget Ubuntu.
>>
>> FYI:
>> Ubuntu flavor of Linux is sponsored by Mike Shuttleworth, he makes mony on
>> supporting Ubuntu so if you enjoy the idea of "free software" not only is
>> someone making money off you fools, but it's also killing capitalism. If
>> nobody gets paid for their work creating Software, nobody takes
>> responsibility for its quality, progress or creating JOBS.
>>
>> Everytime you try playing with Ubuntu, you kill a job at Microsoft, which
>> in turn kills a job at fast food joints, car dealers, etc. - where that
>> person who lost his job at Mirosofto stops shopping. It's a cycle.
>>
>> So please buy software, and maybe you won't have a problem "recognizing
>> PIC" Micorcontroller.
>Stan Starinski or Mark Licetti, or what ever name you are using this week -
>
>How interesting. You lambaste those who use a freely available, non-windows,
>operating system as destroying capitalism, then offer to help them steal the
>use of C18 optimization (if they can get in touch with you). ("If you want
>optimizations to never get disabled, ask me but my & everyone's email here
>is hidden for security and I DON"T read this Group too often, so I won't
>know when/if you ask.")
>
>Your "understanding" of the power of Ubuntu is that "Everytime you try
>playing with Ubuntu, you kill a job at Microsoft, which in turn kills a job
>at fast food joints, car dealers, etc. - where that person who lost his job
>at Mirosofto stops shopping. It's a cycle."
>I seriously doubt a Microsoft employee loses his or her job every time
>someone tries "playing with Ubuntu". If this were true, Microsoft would have
>been defunct a long time ago. The last time I checked, Bill Gates, his
>employees, and Microsoft stockholders were still hanging in there.
>Furthermore, your leap to one lost job at MS to one lost job as each of
>several other businesses shows a complete lack of understanding of
>economics.
>
>Your opinion of Ubuntu is that "It's a crap OS for 3d world or people who
>think "Capitalism is evil"." How in the world did you arrive at this
>conclusion? What can you offer as supporting evidence? Most of the folks I
>know who "play" with Ubuntu and other variants do so because they want a
>reliable operating system for important applications. Some simply want to
>tell their operating system what to do, instead of the other way around, and
>do it without all the fancy, nearly mindless, GUIs in existance today. Many
>of those I know live in the U.S., U.K., and Italy (non third-workd
>countries, yet), use both Windows and Linux for various applications, and
>all are "capitalists".
>
>Again, you finish by saying, "So please buy software...". How does this
>square with your "teenage/geek/nerd-obsession with" stealing software,
>perpetuating the "cycle" you accuse the Ubuntu users of?
>
>Richard Seriani, Sr.
>(Real name and not a Ubuntu user-yet)
Made me think of
http://www.phaedsys.com/pub/open_source_communism.jpg
Artistically it is a very good poster. A pastiche on the WW2/Cold War
propaganda posters. I have no idea where it comes from or who did it.
If anyone knows please let me know.
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