On Dec 24 2010, 10:25=A0am, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malcolm,
>
> You bet it helps. =A0That ASIX series is something although, I didn't
> see a rtc onboard.
>
> Joe

 and I just notice another new 'large Code 51' addition, (8MB) this
one from Nuvoton (Winbond).
interesting mix of device - they've done C51's for years, and this (I
think) is their first PC-IO device that has a 1T C51 core,

http://www.nuvoton.com/NuvotonMOSS/Community/ProductInfo.aspx?tp_GUID=3Dad1=
07f1e-77c8-4755-a7e5-7e7b118c7c6e

http://www.nuvoton.com/NuvotonMOSS/Community/ProductInfo.aspx?tp_GUID=3Dc12=
90e3f-bbd4-4833-9bd6-a8fc88b7b41b

["Nuvoton proudly announces NCT6681D, the first product of new eSIO
series IC. Nuvoton`s new eSIO series IC is a traditional legacy SIO
with built-in uC or uP, to provide the best green control on MB / AIO
systems. The =93e=94 of eSIO means the embedded controller based SIO ; it
is also Nuvoton`s promise to provide the best green function and
control for PC industry, and do the best contribution to the
environment. "]

this runs the code from low cost, user sizable SPI,

["The firmware code is stored in an external SPI flash and could be
updated via LPC interface or PS/2 interface with special tools
provided by Nuvoton."]

["MCU runs on EXTERNAL serial program storage (NOR Flash with SPI
interface) on the fly directly. Address space up to 8M bytes was
supported"]

I'm guessing they use QuadSPI for the Execute in place. (now at
416MBd)

http://www.winbond.com.tw/hq/enu/ProductAndSales/ProductLines/FlashMemory/S=
erialFlash/

-jg

On 26.12.2010 23:45, justme wrote:
> My friend, I am demanding nothing.

Ah, but of course you are.  You're demanding that our answers fit your 
prejudice, for starters.

> I appreciate each and every HELPFUL reply.

And what made you think that the person in need of asking a question is 
qualified to have the final word on which answers are helpful?

> I don't appreciate folks with psychological problems and extremely
> weak egoes pontificating on minutae.

Makes one wonder why you're so proudly engaging in that same behaviour 
yourself.


It doesn't.
> I top post because it makes sense.

On 26.12.2010 23:51, justme wrote:

> I have gotten some excellent advice from many.  Only a select few such
> as yourself and two others, have wanted to start trouble.

Actually, the only one in this thread hell-bent on starting trouble so 
far was your anonymous self.

On Dec 27, 3:39=A0am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
wrote:
> On 26/12/2010 23:45, justme wrote:
>
> > My friend, I am demanding nothing. =A0I appreciate each and every
> > HELPFUL reply. =A0I don't appreciate folks with psychological problems
> > and extremely weak egoes pontificating on minutae.

You'll notice I've been quiet in this. This is principally because I
don't really care about the issues, if any, now under discussion. If I
wanted to win a popularity contest, I'd be off to have a sex change
and apply to compete in the next Miss Transgendered America
competitions. In fact the reason I'm replying to this right now is
honestly that I'm bored, as I've just completed a major network
reorganization in my office and am waiting for all my NAS devices to
come back online.

To summarize for those who missed the first two seasons and didn't buy
the DVD set: The initial question posed by OP was "recommend me an
8051 that is outside the design envelope that would cause an engineer
skilled in his/her profession to choose an 8051 to begin with". linnix
posted a humorous response to this ("the 8051 you want is called ARM"
was the gist) which went entirely over the OP's head. OP continued to
waste everybody's time with his questions, hence my comment that his/
her original problem was asking for a buggy whip qualified for jet
fighter applications. The response to this clearly demonstrated that
OP is not deserving, if you want to use that word, of any thoughtful
technical responses, since he rejects anything that implies his
initial neophyte assumptions might be non-insightful. Therefore the
only remaining options are (a) ignore it, or (b) respond frivolously
for a little puerile self-amusement.

The original issue was closed two or three messages into the thread
("Asked and answered, your honor") and further discussion is just a
waste of time for everyone; AFAIAC it's all soap opera.

Having seen an awful lot of people with the same mental weaknesses as
the OP, my experienced opinion is that he/she has 1-2 years minimum of
callowness remaining before useful conversations can be held. We've
seen it before here in this very NG (and for anyone who lived on
Fidonet, BBS_USER was a hive of this sort of thing).

On 26/12/2010 23:45, justme wrote:
> My friend, I am demanding nothing.  I appreciate each and every
> HELPFUL reply.  I don't appreciate folks with psychological problems
> and extremely weak egoes pontificating on minutae.
>
> I top post because it makes sense.  If you don't like it, either don't
> read it or somehow learn that the world does not revolve around your
> desires.
>

Have you ever heard of "social norms", or "fitting in with society"? 
The great majority of people in this newsgroup prefer to bottom-post or 
mix their answers and comments within the posts.  It is not some sort of 
fad, or ego-boast for the group's oldies - it is what works best, and 
makes the most sense.  I'm not going to mention it again here (unless 
you ask a direct question), but stick around in the group, read some 
other threads, and perhaps you will understand.  Oh, and that is 
/helpful/ advice - it might not help you find an 8051 (a core I have had 
little use for), but it might help you get more advice from others in 
the group.

> I didn't come here to cause trouble or to engage in pettifoggery.
>
> Btw, I have gotten several emails saying that Larwe is not well-liked
> by a lot of folks.  That statement may cause trouble but it seems that
> a lot of you in here need to grow up.
>

Lewin can certainly be curt in his replies, and rubs some people the 
wrong way.  And I know his posts were not exactly a model of diplomacy. 
  I just think it was inappropriate and disrespectful to reply to him in 
that manner.  Remember there is a bit of asymmetry here - you are the 
newcomer, Lewin is the "old hand", you are the questioner looking for 
help, while Lewin and others are freely offering their time and 
expertise to help you.

Incidentally, you might want to consider his point more thoroughly. 
While there are many companies making 8051 chips, their heyday has long 
gone - ARM is the new 8051.  Unless you have very good reason for 
specifying an 8051, such as investments in experience, tools, or code, 
then it is unlikely to be a good choice for a new design.  If I were 
you, I would start a new thread with a description of your needs in a 
microcontroller, and listen to people's suggestions.  It will re-kindle 
the usual "my microcontroller can beat up your microcontroller" wars, 
but you could easily find that the best architecture for your needs is 
something totally different.  In other words, start with the question - 
don't start with an answer that you want justified.

David,

I think that there are plenty of folks here who have their head
screwed on correctly that are willing to give some advice about
8051-cored chips, pcb layout s.w. and assemblers/compilers.

I have gotten some excellent advice from many.  Only a select few such
as yourself and two others, have wanted to start trouble.

That you seem to want to potentiate trouble and establish and take
sides, reveals a juvenile mentallity that I really don't want to
further engage.

Now, run along.

Joe

On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:02:49 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> wrote:

>On 23/12/10 22:19, justme wrote:
>> Larwe,
>>
>> You are not contributing anything except smart-assed remarks.  You
>> have yet to suggest a chip or more.
>>
>> How much nice it would have been to say something along the order of
>> this:
>>
>> 'Glad to see one coming back to microcpntrollers.  You may be
>> interested in the following chip:   xxxxxx, xxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx. They
>> have most, if not all of what you are looking for.
>> Please let me know if I can be of further help'
>>
>> Above is being helpful and polite.  You are just being a little shit.
>>
>> Now, run along.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>You may want to re-read Lewin's posts and your replies - perhaps you 
>will realize who is being impolite, and apologise.  If you want to be 
>able to demand answers, find some paid consultant to provide it.  Of 
>course, they would then drop you as a customer after your outburst here.
>
>You might also want to look at some of the archives for this group, and 
>you'll see that Lewin is a knowledgeable and helpful contributor who 
>goes out of his way to help people - /if/ they are willing to listen. 
>You have lost a good potential source of help and information here.  And 
>I think you'll get little advice from many of the other experienced 
>members of c.a.e., including Hans-Bernhard and myself.
>
>Oh, and please learn to use Usenet - don't top-post.
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:21:47 -0800 (PST), larwe<zwsdotcom@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 23, 12:12 am, justme<jble...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Wrong.  Think again.
>>>
>>> Call back when you have a clue. The fact that everyone is telling you
>>> "go ARM" should mean something.

My friend, I am demanding nothing.  I appreciate each and every
HELPFUL reply.  I don't appreciate folks with psychological problems
and extremely weak egoes pontificating on minutae.

I top post because it makes sense.  If you don't like it, either don't
read it or somehow learn that the world does not revolve around your
desires.

I didn't come here to cause trouble or to engage in pettifoggery.

Btw, I have gotten several emails saying that Larwe is not well-liked
by a lot of folks.  That statement may cause trouble but it seems that
a lot of you in here need to grow up.

Now, run along.


Joe

On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:02:49 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> wrote:

>On 23/12/10 22:19, justme wrote:
>> Larwe,
>>
>> You are not contributing anything except smart-assed remarks.  You
>> have yet to suggest a chip or more.
>>
>> How much nice it would have been to say something along the order of
>> this:
>>
>> 'Glad to see one coming back to microcpntrollers.  You may be
>> interested in the following chip:   xxxxxx, xxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx. They
>> have most, if not all of what you are looking for.
>> Please let me know if I can be of further help'
>>
>> Above is being helpful and polite.  You are just being a little shit.
>>
>> Now, run along.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>You may want to re-read Lewin's posts and your replies - perhaps you 
>will realize who is being impolite, and apologise.  If you want to be 
>able to demand answers, find some paid consultant to provide it.  Of 
>course, they would then drop you as a customer after your outburst here.
>
>You might also want to look at some of the archives for this group, and 
>you'll see that Lewin is a knowledgeable and helpful contributor who 
>goes out of his way to help people - /if/ they are willing to listen. 
>You have lost a good potential source of help and information here.  And 
>I think you'll get little advice from many of the other experienced 
>members of c.a.e., including Hans-Bernhard and myself.
>
>Oh, and please learn to use Usenet - don't top-post.
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:21:47 -0800 (PST), larwe<zwsdotcom@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 23, 12:12 am, justme<jble...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Wrong.  Think again.
>>>
>>> Call back when you have a clue. The fact that everyone is telling you
>>> "go ARM" should mean something.

I have emailed them and got no answer.

Will keep trying.

Thanks for the tips.

Joe

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:45:58 -0500, Neil <NeilKurzm@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>On 12/23/2010 4:22 PM, justme wrote:
>> Thanks, Neil, I will check those out.
>>
>> For some odd reason, I cannot log on/register to 8052.com.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:22:29 -0500, Neil<NeilKurzm@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2010 7:16 PM, justme wrote:
>>>> You-all came through.  However, I was overwhelmed yet, I still haven't
>>>> found what I need.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for an 8051 uc that has lots of flash and lots of ram and
>>>> an internal rtc and some a/d and d/a.  SPI and I2C would be very nice.
>>>> I took a hiatus when the 89c668/9 series was in vogue and now, it
>>>> doesn't SEEM like there has been a huge amount of new versions.
>>>>
>>>> Where am I going wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>> Try SIlabs or Analog Devices.
>>> www.8052.com maybe a better place to ask the question.
>Not sure why try and email them.
>Keil.com has a 8052 core search tool.  Note that everything it lists is 
>still in production.

On 23/12/10 22:19, justme wrote:
> Larwe,
>
> You are not contributing anything except smart-assed remarks.  You
> have yet to suggest a chip or more.
>
> How much nice it would have been to say something along the order of
> this:
>
> 'Glad to see one coming back to microcpntrollers.  You may be
> interested in the following chip:   xxxxxx, xxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx. They
> have most, if not all of what you are looking for.
> Please let me know if I can be of further help'
>
> Above is being helpful and polite.  You are just being a little shit.
>
> Now, run along.
>
> Joe
>

You may want to re-read Lewin's posts and your replies - perhaps you 
will realize who is being impolite, and apologise.  If you want to be 
able to demand answers, find some paid consultant to provide it.  Of 
course, they would then drop you as a customer after your outburst here.

You might also want to look at some of the archives for this group, and 
you'll see that Lewin is a knowledgeable and helpful contributor who 
goes out of his way to help people - /if/ they are willing to listen. 
You have lost a good potential source of help and information here.  And 
I think you'll get little advice from many of the other experienced 
members of c.a.e., including Hans-Bernhard and myself.

Oh, and please learn to use Usenet - don't top-post.

> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:21:47 -0800 (PST), larwe<zwsdotcom@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 23, 12:12 am, justme<jble...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Wrong.  Think again.
>>
>> Call back when you have a clue. The fact that everyone is telling you
>> "go ARM" should mean something.

On 12/23/2010 4:22 PM, justme wrote:
> Thanks, Neil, I will check those out.
>
> For some odd reason, I cannot log on/register to 8052.com.
>
> Joe
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:22:29 -0500, Neil<NeilKurzm@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/21/2010 7:16 PM, justme wrote:
>>> You-all came through.  However, I was overwhelmed yet, I still haven't
>>> found what I need.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an 8051 uc that has lots of flash and lots of ram and
>>> an internal rtc and some a/d and d/a.  SPI and I2C would be very nice.
>>> I took a hiatus when the 89c668/9 series was in vogue and now, it
>>> doesn't SEEM like there has been a huge amount of new versions.
>>>
>>> Where am I going wrong?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>> Try SIlabs or Analog Devices.
>> www.8052.com maybe a better place to ask the question.
Not sure why try and email them.
Keil.com has a 8052 core search tool.  Note that everything it lists is 
still in production.