Hi John,

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:11:27 -0000, John Heenan
<l10@l10@...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sebastain
> 
> Sorry, I don't know if there is a copy of the 1961 paper available
> online. Since the publication is mainstream a chat with your local
> friendly public librarian will let you know the various options you
> have. They may even be able to get a loan copy delivered to your
> local library through Inter library loan facilities. If your local
> library cannot help then contacting your national library directly is
> an alternative. National libraries have well established links with
> academic libraries.


This is too dificult in my country for technical journals like this
ASME's, but thanks for the idea, i'll try with the national library.


> I am sure you are aware of the course notes from a
tutorial on the
> Kalman filter presented at ACM SIGGRAPH 2001 at
> http://www.cs.unc.edu/~tracker/ref/s2001/kalman/index.html


Yes, by Welch and Bishop.

 
> The tutorial has information on the Extended
Kalman Filter and
> includes a paper of its use in a tracking device.
> 
> However there is nothing like the 'real thing' original blast to
help
> fill in the conceptual gaps in the dry as dust follow on works of the
> academic industry!
> 
> John Heenan


Of course, i think that the topics as this needs to be learned at
first from a basic textbook or a tutorial. But then i always learned
more than a plus by going to the "source paper", though this implies
heavy math, and diving into the paper's references...

Thanks for your input.

Best regards.-

-- 

== Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
== Embedded systems development
== 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina
 
> --- In msp430@msp4..., Sebastian Garcia
<sebasgarcia@g...>
> wrote:
> > Thanks Ricardo, but that's the '60 paper already mentioned
by John;
> > i'm looking for the '61, Kalman-Bucy one.
> >
> > Best Regards.-
> >
> > --
> >
> > == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> > == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> > == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina
> > 
> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:22:31 -0300, Ricardo Perez <hal9001@c...>
> 
> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > The original paper
> > >
> > > <http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/media/pdf/Kalman1960.pdf>
> > >
> > > Ricardo Perez
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sebastian Garcia" <sebasgarcia@g...>
> > > To: <msp430@msp4...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [msp430] Kalman Filter was Re: How to Auto-generate
> Unique
> > > Labels in C?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > First of all: Thank you very much Andrew about your
father's
> anecdote
> > > > told to the list, *very* instructive for me. Best regards
from
> this
> > > > corner of the world (from both an Embedded Systems and
Automatic
> > > > Control fan).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000, John Heenan
<l10@a...>
> 
> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is my current version of a simple expression of
what the
> Kalman
> > > > > filter is. By far the best source of information is the
> original
> > > > > paper itself. An OCR scanned copy is available online.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's the '60 paper you mentioned in your
message.
> > > > I wonder if it is also available in the web a free digitized
> version
> > > > of the '61 paper:
> > > >
> > > > - Kalman - Bucy, "New Results in Linear Filtering and
Prediction
> > > > Theory", Journal on Basic Engineering, Tran. ASME, Ser
D, No.
> 83,
> > > > 1961.
> > > >
> > > > I've searched the web without success, any pointer will
be
> appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards.-
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> > > > == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> > > > == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina
>

Hi Sebastain

Sorry, I don't know if there is a copy of the 1961 paper available 
online. Since the publication is mainstream a chat with your local 
friendly public librarian will let you know the various options you 
have. They may even be able to get a loan copy delivered to your 
local library through Inter library loan facilities. If your local 
library cannot help then contacting your national library directly is 
an alternative. National libraries have well established links with 
academic libraries.

I am sure you are aware of the course notes from a tutorial on the 
Kalman filter presented at ACM SIGGRAPH 2001 at 
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~tracker/ref/s2001/kalman/index.html

The tutorial has information on the Extended Kalman Filter and 
includes a paper of its use in a tracking device.

However there is nothing like the 'real thing' original blast to help 
fill in the conceptual gaps in the dry as dust follow on works of the 
academic industry!

John Heenan

--- In msp430@msp4..., Sebastian Garcia <sebasgarcia@g...> 
wrote:
> Thanks Ricardo, but that's the '60 paper already mentioned by
John;
> i'm looking for the '61, Kalman-Bucy one.
> 
> Best Regards.-
> 
> -- 
> 
> == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina
> 
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:22:31 -0300, Ricardo Perez <hal9001@c...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The original paper
> > 
> > <http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/media/pdf/Kalman1960.pdf>
> > 
> > Ricardo Perez
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastian Garcia" <sebasgarcia@g...>
> > To: <msp430@msp4...>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [msp430] Kalman Filter was Re: How to Auto-generate 
Unique
> > Labels in C?
> > 
> > >
> > > First of all: Thank you very much Andrew about your father's
 
anecdote
> > > told to the list, *very* instructive for
me. Best regards from 
this
> > > corner of the world (from both an
Embedded Systems and Automatic
> > > Control fan).
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000, John Heenan <l10@a...> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is my current version of a simple expression of what
the 
Kalman
> > > > filter is. By far the best source
of information is the 
original
> > > > paper itself. An OCR scanned copy
is available online.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the '60 paper you mentioned in your message.
> > > I wonder if it is also available in the web a free digitized 
version
> > > of the '61 paper:
> > >
> > > - Kalman - Bucy, "New Results in Linear Filtering and
Prediction
> > > Theory", Journal on Basic Engineering, Tran. ASME, Ser D,
No. 
83,
> > > 1961.
> > >
> > > I've searched the web without success, any pointer will be 
appreciated.
> > >
> > > Best Regards.-
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> > > == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> > > == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina

Thanks Ricardo, but that's the '60 paper already mentioned by
John;
i'm looking for the '61, Kalman-Bucy one.

Best Regards.-

-- 

== Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
== Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
== 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:22:31 -0300, Ricardo Perez
<hal9001@hal9...> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The original paper
> 
> <http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/media/pdf/Kalman1960.pdf>
> 
> Ricardo Perez
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastian Garcia" <sebasgarcia@seba...>
> To: <msp430@msp4...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [msp430] Kalman Filter was Re: How to Auto-generate Unique
> Labels in C?
> 
> >
> > First of all: Thank you very much Andrew about your father's 
anecdote
> > told to the list, *very* instructive for me. Best regards from this
> > corner of the world (from both an Embedded Systems and Automatic
> > Control fan).
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000, John Heenan <l10@l10@...>
wrote:
> >
> > > This is my current version of a simple expression of what the
Kalman
> > > filter is. By far the best source of information is the original
> > > paper itself. An OCR scanned copy is available online.
> >
> >
> > That's the '60 paper you mentioned in your message.
> > I wonder if it is also available in the web a free digitized version
> > of the '61 paper:
> >
> > - Kalman - Bucy, "New Results in Linear Filtering and Prediction
> > Theory", Journal on Basic Engineering, Tran. ASME, Ser D, No. 83,
> > 1961.
> >
> > I've searched the web without success, any pointer will be
appreciated.
> >
> > Best Regards.-
> >
> > --
> >
> > == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> > == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> > == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina

Hi all,

The original paper

<http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/media/pdf/Kalman1960.pdf>

Ricardo Perez

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sebastian Garcia" <sebasgarcia@seba...>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [msp430] Kalman Filter was Re: How to Auto-generate Unique
Labels in C?


>
> First of all: Thank you very much Andrew about your father's  anecdote
> told to the list, *very* instructive for me. Best regards from this
> corner of the world (from both an Embedded Systems and Automatic
> Control fan).
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000, John Heenan <l10@l10@...> wrote:
>
> > This is my current version of a simple expression of what the Kalman
> > filter is. By far the best source of information is the original
> > paper itself. An OCR scanned copy is available online.
>
>
> That's the '60 paper you mentioned in your message.
> I wonder if it is also available in the web a free digitized version
> of the '61 paper:
>
> - Kalman - Bucy, "New Results in Linear Filtering and Prediction
> Theory", Journal on Basic Engineering, Tran. ASME, Ser D, No. 83,
> 1961.
>
> I've searched the web without success, any pointer will be
appreciated.
>
> Best Regards.-
>
> -- 
>
> == Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
> == Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
> == 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

First of all: Thank you very much Andrew about your father's  anecdote
told to the list, *very* instructive for me. Best regards from this
corner of the world (from both an Embedded Systems and Automatic
Control fan).


On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000, John Heenan <l10@l10@...> wrote:

> This is my current version of a simple expression
of what the Kalman
> filter is. By far the best source of information is the original
> paper itself. An OCR scanned copy is available online.


That's the '60 paper you mentioned in your message. 
I wonder if it is also available in the web a free digitized version
of the '61 paper:

- Kalman - Bucy, "New Results in Linear Filtering and Prediction
Theory", Journal on Basic Engineering, Tran. ASME, Ser D, No. 83,
1961.

I've searched the web without success, any pointer will be appreciated.

Best Regards.-

-- 

== Sebastian E. Garcia ~ sebasgarcia at gmail . com
== Desarrollo de sistemas embebidos
== 54.11.4833.4123 ~ Buenos Aires ~ Argentina

Richard wrote:

> At 11:46 AM 11/24/2004, Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
> 
>>....
>>
>>But, of course, now that I know, I'll be sending you all my
confusions over
>>continuous and non-continuous time Kalman/Bucy problems.  ;)
> 
> 
> But who sez ANDREW knows anything about Kalman filter? :-)
> 
> Me? I got lost when the words goes from Kalman to "Filter." :-)

isn't that an old style, rather aerodynamic looking Volkswagen, the 
Kalman Ghia?

;<>

With appropriate apologies for my irreverence.

Al

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:21:08 -0800, you wrote:

>At 11:46 AM 11/24/2004, Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
>>....
>>
>>But, of course, now that I know, I'll be sending you all my
confusions over
>>continuous and non-continuous time Kalman/Bucy problems.  ;)
>
>But who sez ANDREW knows anything about Kalman filter? :-)
><snip>

Ah, but he has unique access to someone who does!  ;)

Jon

At 11:46 AM 11/24/2004, Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
>....
>
>But, of course, now that I know, I'll be sending you all my confusions
over
>continuous and non-continuous time Kalman/Bucy problems.  ;)

But who sez ANDREW knows anything about Kalman filter? :-)

Me? I got lost when the words goes from Kalman to "Filter." :-)


// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please 
use richard at imagecraft.com) 

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:23:34 -0000, you wrote:

>Enough (from me) about my Dad -- as Jon K. pointed
out, it's impolite
>for me to go on about it.

Hehe.  No, I said (or hoped I said) that it was impolite for me to inquire about
it.  Each of us should be measured by who we are, ourselves, and how we progress
against our own measures.

But, of course, now that I know, I'll be sending you all my confusions over
continuous and non-continuous time Kalman/Bucy problems.  ;)

Jon

--- In msp430@msp4..., "Karl Adler" <specific2@m...> wrote:
> John ,
> You are sooooooooooo.... true.!
> Another one could be  a 1964 Conference in Stability theory , where 
> V.M.Popov presented his hyperstability  theory, nobody understood
what that 
> was, until he got an invitation to come to the
States , and as they
say  the 
> rest is  history.

I presume that's the Popov who my parents sometimes had over for
dinner. Those mathematicians like to stick together ... :-)

 
> >From: "John Heenan" <l10@a...>
> >Reply-To: msp430@msp4...
> >To: msp430@msp4...
> >Subject: [msp430] Kalman Filter was Re: How to Auto-generate Unique
Labels 
> >in C?
> >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:44:50 -0000

> >I will take a bet that Andrew is referring to
the March 1960 paper
of
> >R. E. Kalmam entitled 'A New Approach to
Linear Filtering and
> >Prediction Problems' published in the Transactions of the American
> >Society of Mechanical Engineers-Journal of Basic Engineering.

Indeed.

> >To quote from the 1960 paper "The
physical significance of the
> >duality is intriguing. Why are observations and control dual
> >quantities?"
> >
> >I wonder of R. E. Kalman got his answer and if not if he still
cares?

Note that the Kalman filter was never patented (by my Dad, at least).
Jack Bertram of IBM Research often told my Dad he ought to pursue some
sort of IP protection -- IBM ended up using it in their disk drives
and other places. But once he had written the paper, his interests
turned elsewhere. Nowadays he works on a variety of problems that
interest him.

Enough (from me) about my Dad -- as Jon K. pointed out, it's impolite
for me to go on about it.

--Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D.
aek at pumpkin inc dot com