Thanks, you've been most helpful

DaveC


"Alex Gibson" <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:2j1ruoFs6reeU1@uni-berlin.de: 

> 
>> "DaveC" <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33...
>> > Hello.. well my on going project to write a TCP/IP stack on a pic
>> > is 
> still
>> > "on going" and with the holodays here I'm going to get a good chunk
>> > of 
> it
>> > out of the way.
>> >
>> > I'm still using slip to connect it to my PC, but recently I'v come
>> > to realize how much simpler life would be if I used 10baseT
>> > Ethernet. 
>> Basicaly
>> > because the chips that deal with this have more memory for packets
>> > then 
>> the
>> > pic does !
>> >
>> > Any way. I have searched around and found this one
>> >
>> > http://www.embeddedethernet.com/
>> >
>> > But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick
>> > up a complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15
>> > nowdays. 
>> >
>> > I've found others that use old ISA NIC's but I'd rather use
>> > something 
>> else.
>> >
>> > So does any one know of other solutions, for embedded mcus that
>> > dont 
> cost
>> > so much?
>> >
>> > I know, I know, TCP/IP done a thousand times before on a PIC. but
>> > I'm 
>> doing
>> > it to learn, not to be new.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > DaveC
> 
> cheap option as others have said is an isa ethernet card
> 
> http://www.ethernut.de/en/isa/index.html
> 
> get one from one of the weekend computer markets.
> 50c - $5 for an isa card, for $5 should be able to pic up a few.
> Make sure to check what the chip is.
> 
> http://hyper.sunjapan.com.cn/~hz/PIC/index.html look at picnic
> http://hyper.sunjapan.com.cn/~hz/PIC/picnic/hardware.html
> 
> For quick option www.edtp.com
> packet whacker , nicholas or nicki board
> 
> Have a look at http://www.lvr.com/
> 
> Also enter the Zilog design comp and select one of the ethernet
> modules. If they have any left.
> http://www.jandspromotions.com/zilog2004/
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
>

DaveC <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33>...
> Hello.. well my on going project to write a TCP/IP stack on a pic is still 
> "on going" and with the holodays here I'm going to get a good chunk of it 
> out of the way.
> 
> I'm still using slip to connect it to my PC, but recently I'v come to 
> realize how much simpler life would be if I used 10baseT Ethernet. Basicaly 
> because the chips that deal with this have more memory for packets then the 
> pic does !
> 
> Any way. I have searched around and found this one
> 
> http://www.embeddedethernet.com/
> 
> But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a 
> complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays. 
> 
> I've found others that use old ISA NIC's but I'd rather use something else.
> 
> So does any one know of other solutions, for embedded mcus that dont cost 
> so much? 
> 
> I know, I know, TCP/IP done a thousand times before on a PIC. but I'm doing 
> it to learn, not to be new.
> 
> Thanks
> DaveC

I don't know if you noticed, but this website has the source, schematic and
parts list for the board you are looking at . It is $80 because this person
needs to amortize out the one time charges he got for making the nice
looking circuit board (and his time to solder them , if he is doing them
himself) and he wants to do it within 20 sales or so.
He isn't mass producing them because its not like General electric calls up
and says they want 10,000 ethernet modules for "pic" projects. This guys
target audience is probably schools and people like us who don't want to
absorb the cost ourselves or the effort.
I think if you were to make two of these "bare" circuit boards with no
solder mask or silk screen at somplace you would be charged a base $50 just
to start up the fab line + material cost. So in reality , to take all that
hassle out of doing it ,myself...i might just pay the $80. If you went out
and made ...say 10 boards for yourself and didn't do solder masks (say an
APCircuits proto run, like the guy shows in is web page) you might be able
to make them for $20 a piece.
You could probably find a "project converter" board out there that you could
solder this chip (the CS8900) to and stick it into a perf board for
soldering.
But all the information is right there on that website.
Tony

> "DaveC" <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33...
> > Hello.. well my on going project to write a TCP/IP stack on a pic is
still
> > "on going" and with the holodays here I'm going to get a good chunk of
it
> > out of the way.
> >
> > I'm still using slip to connect it to my PC, but recently I'v come to
> > realize how much simpler life would be if I used 10baseT Ethernet.
> Basicaly
> > because the chips that deal with this have more memory for packets then
> the
> > pic does !
> >
> > Any way. I have searched around and found this one
> >
> > http://www.embeddedethernet.com/
> >
> > But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a
> > complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays.
> >
> > I've found others that use old ISA NIC's but I'd rather use something
> else.
> >
> > So does any one know of other solutions, for embedded mcus that dont
cost
> > so much?
> >
> > I know, I know, TCP/IP done a thousand times before on a PIC. but I'm
> doing
> > it to learn, not to be new.
> >
> > Thanks
> > DaveC

cheap option as others have said is an isa ethernet card

http://www.ethernut.de/en/isa/index.html

get one from one of the weekend computer markets.
50c - $5 for an isa card, for $5 should be able to pic up a few.
Make sure to check what the chip is.

http://hyper.sunjapan.com.cn/~hz/PIC/index.html look at picnic
http://hyper.sunjapan.com.cn/~hz/PIC/picnic/hardware.html

For quick option www.edtp.com
packet whacker , nicholas or nicki board

Have a look at http://www.lvr.com/

Also enter the Zilog design comp and select one of the ethernet modules.
If they have any left.
http://www.jandspromotions.com/zilog2004/

Alex

Hi,

If you want to move from PIC, look at RABBIT micros or Ziloez eZ80Acclaim.
As for the actual controller chip, look at CS8900.

Rudolf


"Joseph Goldburg" <wizard1@SPAMnetspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:ca9sus$247u$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> you might consider   IPu8930 from IPsil
> http://www.ipsil.com/products/d8930.htm
>
> Available from Adilam Electronics in Australia   www.adilam.com.au
>
> Comments  - Ipsil has preliminary data on their IP&#4294967295;8932 which combines a
> webserver, Ethernet MAC layer, and TCP/IP controller all on a single chip.
> This allows the one chip with 20 digital or analog inputs to display
> webpages without the need of a microcontroller. Ipsil has WebHolesT
> technology which allows holes (simular to server side includes principles)
> to be filled in with values from the I/O ports. If you do happen to need
> more complexity, you can add a microcontroller and talk via standard
TCP/IP
> socket calls.
>
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> "DaveC" <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33...
> > Hello.. well my on going project to write a TCP/IP stack on a pic is
still
> > "on going" and with the holodays here I'm going to get a good chunk of
it
> > out of the way.
> >
> > I'm still using slip to connect it to my PC, but recently I'v come to
> > realize how much simpler life would be if I used 10baseT Ethernet.
> Basicaly
> > because the chips that deal with this have more memory for packets then
> the
> > pic does !
> >
> > Any way. I have searched around and found this one
> >
> > http://www.embeddedethernet.com/
> >
> > But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a
> > complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays.
> >
> > I've found others that use old ISA NIC's but I'd rather use something
> else.
> >
> > So does any one know of other solutions, for embedded mcus that dont
cost
> > so much?
> >
> > I know, I know, TCP/IP done a thousand times before on a PIC. but I'm
> doing
> > it to learn, not to be new.
> >
> > Thanks
> > DaveC
>
>

bob@certsoft.com (Robert Reimiller) writes:

> DaveC <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33>...
>> But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a 
>> complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays. 
>
> http://www.edtp.com/ has a couple of boards you might be interested
> in. They have a RTL8019AS based board Packet Wacker) for $35USD assembled,
> or a CS8900A based board (Nicki) for $50USD assembled.

One possibility (may require basic Japanese :-) is AKI-H8/3069F LAN board:
<http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/items2.php?c=h8kit&s=popularity&p=1&r=1&page=#K-00168>

It has H8 processor (w flash) and RTL8019. 8700 Yen is less than $80 (US).

Not affiliated with the company in any way (except as a happy
customer).

-- 
  @jhol

Ihmisi&#4294967295; ei voi ostaa, heid&#4294967295;t voi vain vuokrata. Tosin aika halvalla,
ilmeisesti lis&#4294967295;&#4294967295;ntyv&#4294967295; tarjonta laskee hintoja.

DaveC <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33>...
> But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a 
> complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays. 

http://www.edtp.com/ has a couple of boards you might be interested
in. They have a RTL8019AS based board Packet Wacker) for $35USD assembled,
or a CS8900A based board (Nicki) for $50USD assembled.

On 11 Jun 2004 05:41:31 NZST, DaveC <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote:

>stephenXXX@INVALID.mpeltd.demon.co.uk (Stephen Pelc) wrote in 
>news:40c8471d.249270625@192.168.0.1:
>> When I was last in the USA, the CompUSA 4 port thingy at $29.95
>> contained a Samsung S3C4510B ARM with integrated 10/100 Ethernet.
>> The code for the Samsung SNDS-100 (KEB50100) board is said to
>> run on this.
>Thanks, but that one is $90 and already has tcp/ip stack.. This will sound 
>silly but I am already writing my own so only need 10baseT Ethernet 
>connectivity for the PIC mcu
$30 to $90 in six months! Surely a different thingy?

The SMSC91C9x devices are easy to write code for, and the CS8900
is fairly easy, so go with one of these. If you haven't got it a
copy of Jeremy Bentham's book "TCP/IP Lean" is a must.

Stephen

--
Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@INVALID.mpeltd.demon.co.uk
MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
web: http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk - free VFX Forth downloads

>Thanks, but that one is $90 and already has tcp/ip stack.. This will sound 
>silly but I am already writing my own so only need 10baseT Ethernet 
>connectivity for the PIC mcu
>
>DaveC

If you really are after learning, why not simply purchase a CS8900a
chip alone and wire your own board?

If you use http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slaa137a/slaa137a.pdf as a
reference it should not really be such a big deal. 

Markus

stephenXXX@INVALID.mpeltd.demon.co.uk (Stephen Pelc) wrote in 
news:40c8471d.249270625@192.168.0.1:

> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:32:09 -0400, rickman <spamgoeshere4@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>But if you want a board with Ethernet and MCU on board, the
>>cheapest one I know of is to buy a $30 router (wireless even) and take
>>over the Flash.
> 
> When I was last in the USA, the CompUSA 4 port thingy at $29.95
> contained a Samsung S3C4510B ARM with integrated 10/100 Ethernet.
> The code for the Samsung SNDS-100 (KEB50100) board is said to
> run on this.
> 
> The S3C4510B is a great chip for this sort of work.
> 
> Stephen
> --
> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@INVALID.mpeltd.demon.co.uk
> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> web: http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk - free VFX Forth downloads

Thanks, but that one is $90 and already has tcp/ip stack.. This will sound 
silly but I am already writing my own so only need 10baseT Ethernet 
connectivity for the PIC mcu

DaveC

you might consider   IPu8930 from IPsil
http://www.ipsil.com/products/d8930.htm

Available from Adilam Electronics in Australia   www.adilam.com.au

Comments  - Ipsil has preliminary data on their IP&#4294967295;8932 which combines a
webserver, Ethernet MAC layer, and TCP/IP controller all on a single chip.
This allows the one chip with 20 digital or analog inputs to display
webpages without the need of a microcontroller. Ipsil has WebHolesT
technology which allows holes (simular to server side includes principles)
to be filled in with values from the I/O ports. If you do happen to need
more complexity, you can add a microcontroller and talk via standard TCP/IP
socket calls.


Joseph



"DaveC" <bobason456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95048FAE52257ohirohotmailcom@203.96.16.33...
> Hello.. well my on going project to write a TCP/IP stack on a pic is still
> "on going" and with the holodays here I'm going to get a good chunk of it
> out of the way.
>
> I'm still using slip to connect it to my PC, but recently I'v come to
> realize how much simpler life would be if I used 10baseT Ethernet.
Basicaly
> because the chips that deal with this have more memory for packets then
the
> pic does !
>
> Any way. I have searched around and found this one
>
> http://www.embeddedethernet.com/
>
> But the price of US$80 is a bit off-putting, seeing as I can pick up a
> complete PCI card from DickSmith (AKA RadioShack) for $10-15 nowdays.
>
> I've found others that use old ISA NIC's but I'd rather use something
else.
>
> So does any one know of other solutions, for embedded mcus that dont cost
> so much?
>
> I know, I know, TCP/IP done a thousand times before on a PIC. but I'm
doing
> it to learn, not to be new.
>
> Thanks
> DaveC