Reply by Steve June 15, 20042004-06-15
RusH <logistyka1@pf.pl> wrote in message news:<Xns94F8D447F6EB9RusHcomputersystems@193.110.122.80>...
> "Nastyd" <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote : > > > Hello! > > > > I'm looking for a way to build small mp3 network player. It should > > be something like http://mp3elf.net/ but cheaper. Could you suggest > > me some embedded system that has: > > - low price > > - stereo output > > - ethernet with tcp/ip > > - rs232 (not necessarily) > > - lpt (for LCD) > > > > Of course, it should be fast enough to decode 320 kb/s mp3 files. > > System could be stored locally on flash or booted over network. > > + Very little experience in electronics > > hmm, Asus WL500, its a MIPS based Linux Acces Point. Wifi, rj45, LPT, > USB > add USB sound card and you got MP3 player > > > Pozdrawiam.
Unless you have way more time than money, just buy one. I suggest: http://www.slimdevices.com/
Reply by RusH May 29, 20042004-05-29
"Nastyd" <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote :

> Hello! > > I'm looking for a way to build small mp3 network player. It should > be something like http://mp3elf.net/ but cheaper. Could you suggest > me some embedded system that has: > - low price > - stereo output > - ethernet with tcp/ip > - rs232 (not necessarily) > - lpt (for LCD) > > Of course, it should be fast enough to decode 320 kb/s mp3 files. > System could be stored locally on flash or booted over network.
+ Very little experience in electronics hmm, Asus WL500, its a MIPS based Linux Acces Point. Wifi, rj45, LPT, USB add USB sound card and you got MP3 player Pozdrawiam. -- RusH // http://pulse.pdi.net/~rush/qv30/ Like ninjas, true hackers are shrouded in secrecy and mystery. You may never know -- UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.
Reply by Hans-Bernhard Broeker May 26, 20042004-05-26
Tech Support for IDE-CF <tech@ide-cf.info-for.us> wrote:
> Hans-Bernhard Broeker <broeker@physik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
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> > After all, you could hook up an 8051 to a 3 GHz PC and call that PC > > "some hardware", right?
> 3 GHz would be an overkill. Mp3 need approx 50 MIPS (or Pentium 100).
But that spoil all the fun, wouldn't it? As you go out to shoot fish in a barrel, may as well break out the machine gun to do it with ;-) -- Hans-Bernhard Broeker (broeker@physik.rwth-aachen.de) Even if all the snow were burnt, ashes would remain.
Reply by Tech Support for IDE-CF May 26, 20042004-05-26
Hans-Bernhard Broeker <broeker@physik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote in message news:<2hdsicFbdgd4U2@uni-berlin.de>...
> Nastyd <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote: > > > Decoding mp3 with microcontrollers are not that easy, unless you have > > > hardware assistance. > > > Like what? > > Would 8051 + some hardware be enough?
8051 by itself is not enough, but it will be fine to config a mp3 decoder chip as mentioned below.
> > For a somewhat flexible interpretation of "some hardware": sure ;-) > > After all, you could hook up an 8051 to a 3 GHz PC and call that PC > "some hardware", right?
3 GHz would be an overkill. Mp3 need approx 50 MIPS (or Pentium 100).
> > But, jest aside. Yes, there is dedicated hardware that is a good deal > more energy-efficient than a general-purpose microprocessor at > decoding MP3s.
I am currently testing a Geode GX1 board playing mp3 (approx 80 MIPS) using 1W (5V,200ma). It's a bit bigger than the slick commerical mp3 player, but much cheaper. I got it for $15 on ebay including shipping. I added approx $30 more including a set of flash drives.
> > The German computer magazine c't was just recently running a project > called BlueMP3. Sounds quite like what you're trying to do. They use > a dedicated MP3 decoder chip called VLSI VS1001k. A pre-assembled > board is still in the 90 EUR price range, though.
Reply by Alex Gibson May 26, 20042004-05-26
"Nastyd" <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote in message
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> Hello! > > I'm looking for a way to build small mp3 network player. It should be > something like http://mp3elf.net/ but cheaper. Could you suggest me some > embedded system that has: > - low price > - stereo output > - ethernet with tcp/ip > - rs232 (not necessarily) > - lpt (for LCD) > > Of course, it should be fast enough to decode 320 kb/s mp3 files. > System could be stored locally on flash or booted over network. >
start with this http://www.mp3projects.com/beginners.html For a lot of the decoder chips especially lower cost range I don't think you will get 320KB/s without some glitches. Other thing is you would need to read the mp3 id tags with the micro. Had a look at yampp ? http://www.myplace.nu/mp3/ http://www.myplace.nu/mp3/piggyback.htm or ethernut www.ethernut.de look at nutpiper http://www.bdmicro.com/mavric-ii/ Could use a board like this and make your own ethernet and mp3 decoder add-on. for adding ethernet to micros www.edtp.com Or for cheapest make it all yourself, use an old isa ethernet card. Just buy the mp3 decoder chip or piggyback board. This is the same guy who makes the yampp design http://www.jelu.se/shop/product_info.php?products_id=35 If your soldering is good(for surface mount) just get the pcb. http://www.jelu.se/shop/product_info.php?products_id=47 The vs1001 decoder available in SOIC-28, 49-pin BGA and LPFP-48 packages datasheet and details http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1001/vs1001.htm http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1001/faq/index.html Just use a micro for control via spi which ever your favourite is. See page 14 of the datasheet for details. May be other mp3 decoder chips that you could use. like Micronas MAS3507D Micronas MAS3587F ST Microelectronics STA013 or 16 http://us.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/6399.pdf VLSI VS1001K http://www.vlsi.fi/vs1001/vs1001.htm Rosun RSM88132A or RSM88132A and others http://www.st.com/stonline/prodpres/dedicate/mp3/mp3.htm for how to use sta013 http://www.pjrc.com/tech/mp3/sta013.html Alex Gibson
Reply by Hans-Bernhard Broeker May 24, 20042004-05-24
Nastyd <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote:
> > Decoding mp3 with microcontrollers are not that easy, unless you have > > hardware assistance.
> Like what? > Would 8051 + some hardware be enough?
For a somewhat flexible interpretation of "some hardware": sure ;-) After all, you could hook up an 8051 to a 3 GHz PC and call that PC "some hardware", right? But, jest aside. Yes, there is dedicated hardware that is a good deal more energy-efficient than a general-purpose microprocessor at decoding MP3s. The German computer magazine c't was just recently running a project called BlueMP3. Sounds quite like what you're trying to do. They use a dedicated MP3 decoder chip called VLSI VS1001k. A pre-assembled board is still in the 90 EUR price range, though. -- Hans-Bernhard Broeker (broeker@physik.rwth-aachen.de) Even if all the snow were burnt, ashes would remain.
Reply by May 24, 20042004-05-24
> Decoding mp3 with microcontrollers are not that easy, unless you have > hardware assistance.
Like what? Would 8051 + some hardware be enough?
> Why would you need LCD to play mp3? I would just setup a playlist > from a network server.
It should display what is currently playing and volume, but it isn't necessary. In future, I would like to control it with PDA connected to the network with 802.11b.
> If you must have a screen, the compaq internet appliance (IA1 or IA2) > would be a good cheap box (<$100 on ebay) for this.
No, I don't want a screen. It should be as small and cheap as possible. I want to place it in the kitchen and the bathroom.
Reply by Tech Support for IDE-CF May 24, 20042004-05-24
"Nastyd" <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote in message news:<c8o5b0$fvt$1@news.onet.pl>...
> > Do you have any microcontrollers available to you ?
Decoding mp3 with microcontrollers are not that easy, unless you have hardware assistance.
> > No. > > > Are you going to have to buy everything needed to build this project ? > > Yes, beside LCD. Ideally I would like to use PC/104 board, but it's too > expensive. >
Why would you need LCD to play mp3? I would just setup a playlist from a network server.
> > Do you have the experience to build and code something like this ? > > Very little experience in electronics, but I have some in coding in asm and > C/C++ on x86 and 8051.
If you must have a screen, the compaq internet appliance (IA1 or IA2) would be a good cheap box (<$100 on ebay) for this.
> > > How much is your time worth ?? > > I have plenty of time!
Then you would not mind trying out this: http://ia2.linnix.com
Reply by May 23, 20042004-05-23
>> I have plenty of time! >> > > I have none, so could You mail me some of that "time"? :-)
If You pay for it... ;>
Reply by Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund May 23, 20042004-05-23
"Nastyd" <nastyd@fuckspam.o2.pl> wrote in message
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> > Do you have any microcontrollers available to you ? > > No. > > > Are you going to have to buy everything needed to build this project ? > > Yes, beside LCD. Ideally I would like to use PC/104 board, but it's too > expensive. > > > Do you have the experience to build and code something like this ? > > Very little experience in electronics, but I have some in coding in asm
and
> C/C++ on x86 and 8051. > > > How much is your time worth ?? > > I have plenty of time! >
I have none, so could You mail me some of that "time"? :-)