There are three things a government owes its citizens if it is to be 
considered civilized.

Across the board access for all to the best available medical care 
whatever your monetary or social position.
ditto for education.
care of those who are genuinely unable to care for themselves.

This is what they owes us for our trust, support and frickin' taxes. I 
don't begrudge paying taxes if, in retunr, my government is doing its job.

Don't get me wrong, I am a long way from being what many would call a 
bleeding heart liberal. These are simply smart buisness moves, and 
governemtn has now become business. A business that refuses to invest in 
its future is doomed.

Our children are the future of our coutry. the better edcuated they are 
the more advanced our country, and the wealthier in general the country is.

A healthy workforce takes less time off work, works harder when there, 
and reduces the burden on age care and business losses due to sickness. 
In fact the savings to business could largely offset the small 
additional costs of providing this care, since businesses that make more 
money pay more taxes. It just has to be managed as a business

Finally in old age or infirmity your contributions to the nation deserve 
reward.

Modern Western Governemnts have cynically become engines to re-elect the 
encumbent party, and, if that fails, engines designed allow as few 
players in the game as possible. Goverments that make their citizens 
happy get re-elected. Except in the US and Australia where the choice is 
so piss poor you vote for the one with the most well known name.

By these standards many so called third world countries do a far better 
job than the western democracies.

Al




Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:57:03 -0000, Paul wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I don't know how you have the energy or seemingly unending
resources of
>>kindness, time, and conviction...  But however you do it, I can only
>>wish you well.
>>    
>>
>
>Oh, cripes, Paul.  I'm just a regular person.  It is spring and I need
to build
>a barn here for the animals.  Also, each week I meet to work on plans for a
>community to help autistic adults and children, as well as the care givers
who
>will be living among them (just last night was the latest meeting.)  But
this is
>because I have two autistic children, so this is a lifetime commitment I
cannot
>really escape.  I've always been interested in physics, so spending
time on that
>is a natural for me.  My children are, of course, important to me -- but
I'm
>sure no more important than yours are to you.  So the school thing is also
>pretty normal.  Helping a friend with an MSP-430 project isn't anything
anyone
>else wouldn't do, I'm sure.  Everyone around needs to earn an
income, so it's no
>surprise I do that, too.  Etc.
>
>The only odd thing I do may be spending some five thousand dollars a year
>helping others, and volunteering four hundred hours a year, as well.  (I
only
>contribute to organizations for whom I also do volunteer work.)  But
that's
>because I've been poor, worked in the fields as a child laborer to
survive and
>eat, had no access to welfare support or medical care (the US is horrible,
>social welfare wise, but was even worse when I was growing up) or decent
>clothing, and understand in my bones what it is like to live without walls
or
>plumbing.  So, it's very personal for me to see others in that state. 
That's
>all.  (Well, I also suppose that my two autistic children also make it
personal,
>because I can see what might happen to them if they were dropped into our US
>society, where they would be literally cast adrift to fend for themselves
and
>would probably either not survive or not survive well.  The US doesn't
treat the
>least in it very well, with almost no access to dental care at all and very
>little access to medical care, etc.)
>
>It's not fair that I've been luckier than some.  So I try to pay
back a little
>bit each year.  Not so much as to sacrifice my own family.   But enough to
make
>an observable difference to me.
>
>Jon
>
>
>.
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
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>

Normally when I do caps its because I left the damned caps lock on after 
writing code (I capitalise my instructions, variables and main entry 
point labels, ie function names. When I've typed too much it is too much 
like hard work to manually re-enter it, and, as you say I have lower 
case at sentence start. This time I didn't want to redo the whole thing, 
but the wholly inverted case looked silly, so I just flipped the lower 
case. I know its bad ettiqueete to use caps, but after about 30 minutes 
on the keyboard it feels like I'm typing with two legs of lamb on my 
hands (don't you kiwis go getting excited now!). That's up from 5 
minutes 3 years ago, 20 minutes a year ago, so by typing a lot I seem to 
be at least sustaingin the nerves which still work, if not stimulating 
some more.

Al

Paul Curtis wrote:

>Hi Al, 
>
>  
>
>>ENOUGH ALREADY, THEY DON'T DO ASSEMBLERS WITHOUT THE 
>>INFLATIONARY PARTS!!
>>    
>>
>
>Did you forget to turn off CAPS LOCK today?  Usually from you we get
>mixed-case posts with the initial letter in lower rest in caps, but this
>one isn't.  It's hard to tell whether you're just too darned
tired to do
>hit the CAPS LOCK as it's just one more keystroke and adds no value or
>whether you're really shouting from the rooftop.  ;-)
>
>--
>Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
>CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors
>
>
>.
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

iI've already got the ADuC tools from AD, along with some samples. The

eval kit comes with a 7024, and, you guessed it, IAR. Unfortunatley the 
early parts have a few erratta, the biggest of which is that they 
actually only run 11Mips at 32 bit. A BIG comedown from the advertised 
45MHz, which, it turns out, is only for thumb mode, ARM mode runs at 
half that.

Al

Paul Curtis wrote:

>Al,
>
>ADuC development tools (assembler and so on) with adequate support might
>actually cost; MAX-IDE is free and being improved.  I don't know,
>perhaps some of the other ARM guys give away free tool for assembly-only
>development.
>
>Rgds,
>
>-- Paul. 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Onestone [mailto:onestone@ones...] 
>>Sent: 18 February 2005 07:22
>>To: msp430@msp4...
>>Subject: Re: [msp430] printf using terminal I/O in C-SPY FET debugger
>>
>>
>>I 'm oscillating between MAXQ and ADuC at the moment. 32 bit 
>>ARM ASM is NICE! YUM! and I've only just started playing with 
>>it. I did finally find MAXQ-IDE, but by then was engrossed in 
>>arming myself. I have some didly bits, but it is obvious that 
>>you can make this thing do circus tricks with a bit of 
>>friendly persuasion. Spoiled for choice right now ;@}
>>
>>Al
>>
>>Paul Curtis wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Al,
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>All these high level languages and debug devolves to blinky 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>LEDs. ;@} 
>>    
>>
>>>>Oh the joys of asm.
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Man, have you got yourself into MAXQ yet?  Learning how to 
>>>      
>>>
>>get the best 
>>    
>>
>>>out of that puppy is a real experience!
>>>
>>>--
>>>Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk 
>>>      
>>>
>>CrossWorks 
>>    
>>
>>>for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>.
>>
>> 
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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>>    
>>
>
>
>.
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
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>  
>

> ive bin using IAR for aBOUT a year now but this mornin' had a
look at
CrossDressingStudio and the IDE knocks spots off IAR
> (I use DOT NET so it was nice to see a similar
IDE)

Ha,

Someone with common sense :-)

Wrt Al's (inadvertent?) "shouting" - others have their flavour,
but I can't
imagine working without CrossWorks, best thing since sliced bread -
and in *every* respect.
That's my defensive take.....
I literally use the IDEs 24/7, and keep loving using it.
Just a few years ago such tool SW would have cost _at least_ $10,000 (AUD)
IMHO.
(well, I do know a few people that paid that sort of $$ with big brands,
and have nothing but misery and woes...)

-- Kris

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:57:03 -0000, Paul wrote:

>I don't know how you have the energy or
seemingly unending resources of
>kindness, time, and conviction...  But however you do it, I can only
>wish you well.

Oh, cripes, Paul.  I'm just a regular person.  It is spring and I need to
build
a barn here for the animals.  Also, each week I meet to work on plans for a
community to help autistic adults and children, as well as the care givers who
will be living among them (just last night was the latest meeting.)  But this is
because I have two autistic children, so this is a lifetime commitment I cannot
really escape.  I've always been interested in physics, so spending time on
that
is a natural for me.  My children are, of course, important to me -- but
I'm
sure no more important than yours are to you.  So the school thing is also
pretty normal.  Helping a friend with an MSP-430 project isn't anything
anyone
else wouldn't do, I'm sure.  Everyone around needs to earn an income,
so it's no
surprise I do that, too.  Etc.

The only odd thing I do may be spending some five thousand dollars a year
helping others, and volunteering four hundred hours a year, as well.  (I only
contribute to organizations for whom I also do volunteer work.)  But that's
because I've been poor, worked in the fields as a child laborer to survive
and
eat, had no access to welfare support or medical care (the US is horrible,
social welfare wise, but was even worse when I was growing up) or decent
clothing, and understand in my bones what it is like to live without walls or
plumbing.  So, it's very personal for me to see others in that state. 
That's
all.  (Well, I also suppose that my two autistic children also make it personal,
because I can see what might happen to them if they were dropped into our US
society, where they would be literally cast adrift to fend for themselves and
would probably either not survive or not survive well.  The US doesn't
treat the
least in it very well, with almost no access to dental care at all and very
little access to medical care, etc.)

It's not fair that I've been luckier than some.  So I try to pay back
a little
bit each year.  Not so much as to sacrifice my own family.   But enough to make
an observable difference to me.

Jon

Hi Jon, 

> >(Has anynody noticed that posts from JK are
rather rare to 
> non-existent 
> >these days?  Has our knowledgeable poster jumped ship to another
> >processor?)
> 
> I'm still around, Paul, and using the MSP430.  I've been busied
up by:

I don't know how you have the energy or seemingly unending resources of
kindness, time, and conviction...  But however you do it, I can only
wish you well.

Nice to know you're still tuned in.  :-)

Regards,

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:18:52 -0000, Paul wrote:

>(Has anynody noticed that posts from JK are rather
rare to non-existent
>these days?  Has our knowledgeable poster jumped ship to another
>processor?)

I'm still around, Paul, and using the MSP430.  I've been busied up by:

 (1)  Getting my autistic son (I also have an autistic daughter) into
      school, again.
 (2)  Performing volunteer work helping two homeless women (neither of
      whom I knew before this point) with services and my own money,
      as part of my annual support role to compensate for the miserable
      US social policies of our administration and politicians here.
 (3)  Working on a side-project to help a friend with an MSP-430 product.
 (4)  Re-studying general relativity, tensors and spinors, etc.
 (5)  Revisiting a vague idea I have regarding merging GR and QM.
 (6)  Business trip and hard work for my regular income source.
 (7)  New exercise regime to work off years of accrued weight.
 (8)  Construction projects around the home.

All this has eaten into reading/writing time.

But thanks for remembering me.  If I get a chance, someday, I'll dig right
into
your methods of non-intrusive/no-breakpoint debugging and publish the results
right away!  ;)

Jon

Hi Darren, 

> ive bin using IAR for aBOUT a year now but this
mornin' had a 
> look at CrossDressingStudio and the IDE knocks spots off IAR 
> (I use DOT NET so it was nice to see a similar IDE)

I glad to see we're providing affordable haute couture for the masses!
Perhaps the cross dressing community is an untapped market... :-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

Hi Al, 

> ENOUGH ALREADY, THEY DON'T DO ASSEMBLERS
WITHOUT THE 
> INFLATIONARY PARTS!!

Did you forget to turn off CAPS LOCK today?  Usually from you we get
mixed-case posts with the initial letter in lower rest in caps, but this
one isn't.  It's hard to tell whether you're just too darned
tired to do
hit the CAPS LOCK as it's just one more keystroke and adds no value or
whether you're really shouting from the rooftop.  ;-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

by the way im using a J-LINK... when i launch C-SPy for the first time
every day more often than not my PC resets
 
duz Enny-1 else have this problem?
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Logan [mailto:darrenl@darr...]
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:26
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] printf using terminal I/O in C-SPY FET debugger


ive bin using IAR for aBOUT a year now but this mornin' had a look at
CrossDressingStudio and the IDE knocks spots off IAR
(I use DOT NET so it was nice to see a similar IDE)

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Curtis [mailto:plc@plc@...]
Sent: 18 February 2005 12:19
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] printf using terminal I/O in C-SPY FET debugger


Al,

ADuC development tools (assembler and so on) with adequate support might
actually cost; MAX-IDE is free and being improved.  I don't know,
perhaps some of the other ARM guys give away free tool for assembly-only
development.

Rgds,

-- Paul. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Onestone [mailto:onestone@ones...] 
> Sent: 18 February 2005 07:22
> To: msp430@msp4...
> Subject: Re: [msp430] printf using terminal I/O in C-SPY FET debugger
> 
> 
> I 'm oscillating between MAXQ and ADuC at the moment. 32 bit 
> ARM ASM is NICE! YUM! and I've only just started playing with 
> it. I did finally find MAXQ-IDE, but by then was engrossed in 
> arming myself. I have some didly bits, but it is obvious that 
> you can make this thing do circus tricks with a bit of 
> friendly persuasion. Spoiled for choice right now ;@}
> 
> Al
> 
> Paul Curtis wrote:
> 
> >Hi Al,
> >
> >  
> >
> >>All these high level languages and debug devolves to blinky 
> LEDs. ;@} 
> >>Oh the joys of asm.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Man, have you got yourself into MAXQ yet?  Learning how to 
> get the best 
> >out of that puppy is a real experience!
> >
> >--
> >Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk 
> CrossWorks 
> >for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> > 
> >> . 








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