On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:35:40 -0700 (PDT), the renowned dp
<dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I don't know how
>far he got, may be he has fixed the device already. He sent me
>also this a day or two ago (and I forgot to post it):
>
>"The instrument is a Hartmann&Braun O2/CO2 meter URAS10E.
>A VFC output is connented to pin 6. Pin 13 seems to be serial I/O.
>Pin 14 seems to be clock for the serial transfer.
>Other pins looks to be parallel ports."
>
>Dimiter
FWIW, there's nothing similar in the 1992 Philips "Concise Catalog",
but there are about 50 PCFxxx parts (none in a PLCC-44).
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Reply by Spehro Pefhany●March 24, 20132013-03-24
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:01:43 -0700 (PDT), the renowned
j.m.granville@gmail.com wrote:
>On Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:25:15 AM UTC+12, dp wrote:
>> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board on
>> which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is
>> at pins 7 and 8.
>>
>> That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I know nothing
>> about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info - datasheet or
>> whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>
>What frequency is the crystal, what is connected to the PLCC44, and what does the Board actually do ?
>
>IIRC Philips did make PCF33xx series uC which used their 8048 core,and they may have done some emulation style parts in PLCC44
>
>-jg
PCF84C633A was a 8048 core with 64-segment LCD driver on-chip. I see
PCAxxx and PCD3347.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Reply by dp●March 23, 20132013-03-23
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I don't know how
far he got, may be he has fixed the device already. He sent me
also this a day or two ago (and I forgot to post it):
"The instrument is a Hartmann&Braun O2/CO2 meter URAS10E.
A VFC output is connented to pin 6. Pin 13 seems to be serial I/O.
Pin 14 seems to be clock for the serial transfer.
Other pins looks to be parallel ports."
Dimiter
Reply by ●March 23, 20132013-03-23
On Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:25:15 AM UTC+12, dp wrote:
> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board on
> which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is
> at pins 7 and 8.
>
> That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I know nothing
> about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info - datasheet or
> whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
What frequency is the crystal, what is connected to the PLCC44, and what does the Board actually do ?
IIRC Philips did make PCF33xx series uC which used their 8048 core,and they may have done some emulation style parts in PLCC44
-jg
Reply by Peter Jakacki●March 22, 20132013-03-22
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:25:15 -0700, dp wrote:
> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board
> on which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is
> at pins 7 and 8.
> That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I know nothing
> about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info - datasheet or
> whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dimiter
In comp.arch.embedded,
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board
>> on which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is at
>> pins 7 and 8. That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I
>> know nothing about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info -
>> datasheet or whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>
> Philips had a range of 8051 clones at about that era, but I can't seem to
> find an 8051 pinout with the crystal in that place. And I think they were
> numbered xx51.
>
> It isn't some wierd second-source of the MC14500B is it? Can't imagine why
> it would be in a 44 pin package.
>
> The other thing it could be is a Philips ASIC. Is it in a Philips
> instrument?
We had a large set of Philips databooks in the 90's, with regular updates.
Unfortunately, almost all have gone now. But I did find IC25 from 1996.
It's for the "16-bit 80C51XA Microcontrollers". In the intro section,
there are the telephone numbers for the Bulletin Boards and Fax-on-Demand
service, no web address. ;-) And it starts with an overview of all
(? can't be sure it's complete) Philips microcontrollers at that time:
80C51 Family CMOS: 80Cxx, 83Cxx, 87Cxx
80CLXXX Family CMOS: 80CLxx, 83CLxx, 85CLxx
8051 Family NMOS: 8051, 8031, 8052, 8032
8400 Family CMOS: 84Cxx
8400 Family NMOS: 84xx
3300 Family CMOS: 33xx
16-bit controllers (68000 architecture): 68070, 93C101, 90CE201
16-bit controllers (XA architecture): XA-G1, XA-G2, XA-G3
Nothing with PCF numbers in there. What I rememeber from that time is
that most PFCxxxx chips where (I2C) peripheral chips.
--
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Trouble always comes at the wrong time.
Reply by dp●March 16, 20132013-03-16
On Mar 17, 1:47�am, Theo Markettos <theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
wrote:
> dp <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> > A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board
> > on which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. �The crystal is at
> > pins 7 and 8. �That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I
> > know nothing about it. �Perhaps someone here would have some info -
> > datasheet or whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>
> Philips had a range of 8051 clones at about that era, but I can't seem to
> find an 8051 pinout with the crystal in that place. �And I think they were
> numbered xx51.
>
> It isn't some wierd second-source of the MC14500B is it? �Can't imagine why
> it would be in a 44 pin package.
>
> The other thing it could be is a Philips ASIC. �Is it in a Philips
> instrument?
>
> Theo
The MC14500B seems the best guess so far (I did not know the 14500).
He'll probably see the discussion tomorrow (I sent him a link to it
on google groups).
While I can imagine someone could put that in a plcc in the late 80-s
or early 90-s I could not find any reference to such a thing (spent
perhaps 15 minutes searching).
Thanks,
Dimiter
Reply by Theo Markettos●March 16, 20132013-03-16
dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some board
> on which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is at
> pins 7 and 8. That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I
> know nothing about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info -
> datasheet or whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
Philips had a range of 8051 clones at about that era, but I can't seem to
find an 8051 pinout with the crystal in that place. And I think they were
numbered xx51.
It isn't some wierd second-source of the MC14500B is it? Can't imagine why
it would be in a 44 pin package.
The other thing it could be is a Philips ASIC. Is it in a Philips
instrument?
Theo
Reply by dp●March 16, 20132013-03-16
On Mar 16, 11:54�pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/16/2013 5:27 PM, dp wrote:
>
> > On Mar 16, 11:25 pm, dp<d...@tgi-sci.com> �wrote:
> >> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some
> >> board on
> >> which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is
> >> at pins 7 and 8.
> >> That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I know nothing
> >> about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info - datasheet or
> >> whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Dimiter
>
> > Actually he gave one more clue, the part is from "around 1992".
>
> I expect you already did a Google search and found the same thing I did,
> nothing. �I see the number shows up on a site where you can try to get
> quotes, so they acknowledge that it existed and the time frame is right.
>
> It is not very often that a part goes so totally missing like this
> unless it was some sort of a custom part perhaps. �But then maybe it
> disappeared from view before the Internet, so no trace left behind.
>
> --
>
> Rick
Yep, same result (only I did not check any offers, I guess I am more
tired from all those fake "suppliers" than you are :D ).
Dimiter
Reply by rickman●March 16, 20132013-03-16
On 3/16/2013 5:27 PM, dp wrote:
> On Mar 16, 11:25 pm, dp<d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>> A friend of mine who often repairs old lab stuff has run into some
>> board on
>> which he has some Philips part, PCF4500WP in plcc44. The crystal is
>> at pins 7 and 8.
>> That is all the info he gave me when he asked me - and I know nothing
>> about it. Perhaps someone here would have some info - datasheet or
>> whatever, I'll just forward it to him.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dimiter
>
> Actually he gave one more clue, the part is from "around 1992".
I expect you already did a Google search and found the same thing I did,
nothing. I see the number shows up on a site where you can try to get
quotes, so they acknowledge that it existed and the time frame is right.
It is not very often that a part goes so totally missing like this
unless it was some sort of a custom part perhaps. But then maybe it
disappeared from view before the Internet, so no trace left behind.
--
Rick