On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:55:31 GMT, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
>In article <2kak41t2l16nqt5ctpp7hgt2rgfmvk586u@4ax.com>, Steve Krenek
><steve.k@<no>mad.<spam>scientist.com> says...
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:14 GMT, James Beck
>> <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
>> >I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get
>> >some information across to some techs that do not speak English very
>> >well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The
>> >timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some
>> >pretty expensive dead ends.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> You need, like man, what you really need is TimeGen from Xfusion
>> software.
>> I had exactly the same requirement as you, and this is the tool you
>> want.
>>
>> www.xfusionsoftware.com
>>
>> Steve
>>
>I actually downloaded the trial version of this one HOPING it would do
>what I wanted, but for some reason (now forgotten). I didn't like it/had
>a problem with it/it didn't do everything I needed. You know......
>
There was a discussion about this a month or so ago. One cheap and
easy way is to use a font that contains all the necessary elements
used in timing diagrams, and then simply use a text editor to generate
the diagrams.
Regards
Anton Erasmus
Reply by James Beck●March 30, 20052005-03-30
In article <2kak41t2l16nqt5ctpp7hgt2rgfmvk586u@4ax.com>, Steve Krenek
<steve.k@<no>mad.<spam>scientist.com> says...
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:14 GMT, James Beck
> <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
> >I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get
> >some information across to some techs that do not speak English very
> >well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The
> >timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some
> >pretty expensive dead ends.
> >
> > Jim
>
> You need, like man, what you really need is TimeGen from Xfusion
> software.
> I had exactly the same requirement as you, and this is the tool you
> want.
>
> www.xfusionsoftware.com
>
> Steve
>
I actually downloaded the trial version of this one HOPING it would do
what I wanted, but for some reason (now forgotten). I didn't like it/had
a problem with it/it didn't do everything I needed. You know......
Jim
Reply by Steve Krenek●March 30, 20052005-03-30
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:14 GMT, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
>
>Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
>I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get
>some information across to some techs that do not speak English very
>well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The
>timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some
>pretty expensive dead ends.
>
> Jim
You need, like man, what you really need is TimeGen from Xfusion
software.
I had exactly the same requirement as you, and this is the tool you
want.
www.xfusionsoftware.com
Steve
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Reply by Rufus V. Smith●February 24, 20052005-02-24
"Albert van der Horst" <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:icd7gy.66n@spenarnc.xs4all.nl...
> In article <1108651803.7e330bd69b9964cf91f0bc092ce3dd19@teranews>,
> Rufus V. Smith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Matthew Kendall" <mdkendall@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:KPVQd.412284$8l.378992@pd7tw1no...
> >> "James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote...
> >> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
> >> > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty
> >> > graphics to help get some information across to some
> >> > techs that do not speak English very well, and I'm
> >> > sure the data will be needed for a manual as well.
> >>
> >> Timing Designer from Chronology is the standard.
> >> http://www.chronology.com/index.asp
> >>
> <SNIP>
> >
> >Actually, you can do some very decent timing diagrams with
> >Excel. Are you simply talking about square waves, a la logic
> >analyzer traces?
> >
> >I use data something like this, for example:
> >
> <SNIP>
>
> If you go to that great a length, you are better of programming
> in a real language like PostScript directly.
> Note that about everybody has a PostScript interpreter available
> in the guise of a printer driver or whatever.
>
> Examples of usage of this can be found on my site
> http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
> e.g. forthassembler.html (I'm doing opcode sheets with PostScript).
> It helps if you have exposure to stack based languages, (Forth).
>
> Postludes and preludes are a bit of magic, but you need not
> understand them anyway. (I don't.)
>
> The nice thing about a programmed approach is that you can
> easily tweak (e.g. change length of scale, filling in
> ms/scale etc.)
>
> >
> >Rufus
>
> Groetjes Albert
On the other hand, for purposes of training, Excel has all the
annotation tools as well for presentation of the graphs.
So you can drag and drop call out balloons and line art to
embellish the graph to your liking, which would be a lot more work
if done programmatically.
It all boils down to how much you have to do and how often and tools
you are used to.
Rufus
Reply by Albert van der Horst●February 23, 20052005-02-23
In article <1108651803.7e330bd69b9964cf91f0bc092ce3dd19@teranews>,
Rufus V. Smith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Matthew Kendall" <mdkendall@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:KPVQd.412284$8l.378992@pd7tw1no...
>> "James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote...
>> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
>> > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty
>> > graphics to help get some information across to some
>> > techs that do not speak English very well, and I'm
>> > sure the data will be needed for a manual as well.
>>
>> Timing Designer from Chronology is the standard.
>> http://www.chronology.com/index.asp
>>
<SNIP>
>
>Actually, you can do some very decent timing diagrams with
>Excel. Are you simply talking about square waves, a la logic
>analyzer traces?
>
>I use data something like this, for example:
>
<SNIP>
If you go to that great a length, you are better of programming
in a real language like PostScript directly.
Note that about everybody has a PostScript interpreter available
in the guise of a printer driver or whatever.
Examples of usage of this can be found on my site
http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
e.g. forthassembler.html (I'm doing opcode sheets with PostScript).
It helps if you have exposure to stack based languages, (Forth).
Postludes and preludes are a bit of magic, but you need not
understand them anyway. (I don't.)
The nice thing about a programmed approach is that you can
easily tweak (e.g. change length of scale, filling in
ms/scale etc.)
>
>Rufus
Groetjes Albert
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Reply by Noel Henson●February 21, 20052005-02-21
James Beck wrote:
>
> Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
> I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get
> some information across to some techs that do not speak English very
> well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The
> timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some
> pretty expensive dead ends.
>
> Jim
Timing Tool is pretty cool. I use it from time to time. It's a java applet
so you use it online. It's really well done and free for the 'lite' version.
www.timingtool.com
Noel
Reply by ●February 20, 20052005-02-20
What about using waveform editor built-in into Quartus software (Altera
fpga, free)?
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>
> Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor?
> I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get
> some information across to some techs that do not speak English very
> well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The
> timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some
> pretty expensive dead ends.
>
> Jim
>
Reply by James Beck●February 18, 20052005-02-18
In article <8itb11dioqlsc2iou69t218gqsbifm64jr@4ax.com>,
usenet@rwaltman.net says...
> <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
> >It is pretty simple line drawings, BUT it has to a little more than draw
> >lines and such. The ability to specify exact positions on a timeline is
> >just about a must, or you spend hours doing manual editing of edges and
> >text. It is possible, but there are easier ways to do it and time is
> >money. The "timing analysis" part is pretty obvious if you have done a
> >look at what commercial products are out there.
> >
> > Jim
>
> I wonder if (just thinking aloud) a Project Management / Critical Path
> Method, etc. program could be coerced into producing this kind of
> drawings? (Or produce some kind of output that could be converted into
> drawings?)
> They deal with the same type of constraints: "This action lasts at
> least such and such time", "This event must happen before that", "That
> event happens at time X" and so on.
>
> Roberto Waltman.
>
> [ Please reply to the group,
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>
Well, I had to actually try to get some work done on these diagrams
today, and I still didn't find anything that looked decent. So, I broke
down and used my CAD package to just sledge hammer some stuff together.
It wasn't too bad using a fixed step rate to be equal to a fixed period
of time. The only nice thing is that most of the information I need to
convey can be presented on a 1000ms timeline with 2ms resolution. I
just made a template and went to work.
Jim
Reply by Arie de Muynck●February 18, 20052005-02-18
Thanks! This looks really fine.
Regards,
Arie de Muynck
Reply by Roberto Waltman●February 18, 20052005-02-18
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
>It is pretty simple line drawings, BUT it has to a little more than draw
>lines and such. The ability to specify exact positions on a timeline is
>just about a must, or you spend hours doing manual editing of edges and
>text. It is possible, but there are easier ways to do it and time is
>money. The "timing analysis" part is pretty obvious if you have done a
>look at what commercial products are out there.
>
> Jim
I wonder if (just thinking aloud) a Project Management / Critical Path
Method, etc. program could be coerced into producing this kind of
drawings? (Or produce some kind of output that could be converted into
drawings?)
They deal with the same type of constraints: "This action lasts at
least such and such time", "This event must happen before that", "That
event happens at time X" and so on.
Roberto Waltman.
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