Matt,
I suppose there is no reason why I can't use a MSP430 without an LCD
driver to drive bare LCD's, is there? I think all I would need is a
resistor divider network to create the analog switches and software
to create the waveforms (the MSP430 parts with LCD drivers and 12 bit
A/D's are too large for my application, the 100 pin guys)
thanks
steve
--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky wrote:
>
> Nope. The LCD drivers are simply analog switches that supply the LCD
> mux voltages from the external voltages on the R33, R23, R13 and R03
> pins.
>
> When I started using the MSP4304xx series a few years ago I asked
the
> TI factory engineers why they didn't implement a
charge pump for the
> LCD. Their answer was that it added quite a bit of die space and
power
> consumption for something that maybe 50% of users
need. It makes
sense
> -- since then I've done about a dozen LCD
designs and haven't
needed to
> step up the battery voltage to drive an LCD.
>
> You could specify a low voltage LCD (~1.8V) or use a battery that
never
> drops below your minimum LCD "on" voltage.
>
> Matt Pobursky
> Maximum Performance Systems
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 18:37:38 -0000, bungalow_steve wrote:
> > Do the MSP430 with LCD drivers drive 3.3 LCD's down to the low
1.8V
> > supply range? At first I just assumed they have
charge
pumps/voltage
> > multipliers/step up converters to supply the 3.3
Volts to the
LCDs
> > like other micro's, but didn't see
anything in the data sheet to
> > suggest such
> > thanks
>
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>Anyway, I did some more digging and found the
MSP430 does have two
>different LCD driver options, the LCD and LCD_A, the LCD_A is in the
>newer models (42x0 and 461x) and does have an internal charge pump (I
>guess a lot people were asking for it and TI finally decided to put
>one in) and requires no external resistors, here is a good write up
>on both models
>
>http://www.eeplace.com/dm/3957/tw/5-1.pdf
>
>the LCD_A requires more power (due to the internal resister ladder)
>but less parts and has contrast control, and as you say results in a
>bigger die. But I think the total board area will be reduced
Reply by bungalow_steve●June 1, 20062006-06-01
--- In msp430@msp4..., Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@...> wrote:
>
> Nope. The LCD drivers are simply analog switches that supply the LCD
> mux voltages from the external voltages on the R33, R23, R13 and R03
> pins.
>
> When I started using the MSP4304xx series a few years ago I asked
the
> TI factory engineers why they didn't
implement a charge pump for the
> LCD. Their answer was that it added quite a bit of die space and
power
> consumption for something that maybe 50% of users
need. It makes
sense
> -- since then I've done about a dozen LCD
designs and haven't
needed to
> step up the battery voltage to drive an LCD.
>
> You could specify a low voltage LCD (~1.8V) or use a battery that
never
> drops below your minimum LCD "on"
voltage.
>
Yes, but I'm trying to eliminate a second battery as nothing else is
the system requires anything above 2 volts. Do they make LCD's that
work at 1.8V? All I see is 3.3V and 5 Volt, even custom models.
Anyway, I did some more digging and found the MSP430 does have two
different LCD driver options, the LCD and LCD_A, the LCD_A is in the
newer models (42x0 and 461x) and does have an internal charge pump (I
guess a lot people were asking for it and TI finally decided to put
one in) and requires no external resistors, here is a good write up
on both models
http://www.eeplace.com/dm/3957/tw/5-1.pdf
the LCD_A requires more power (due to the internal resister ladder)
but less parts and has contrast control, and as you say results in a
bigger die. But I think the total board area will be reduced
Reply by microbit●May 31, 20062006-05-31
Steve,
The LCD biasing voltages are set in voltage divider, where the top voltage
simply is Vdd.
There is no charge pump AFAIK, so for 3.3 V LCD you must supply 3.3 V for Vdd.
-- Kris
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>bungalow_steve
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>To: msp430@msp4...
>Subject: [msp430] MSP430 LCD driver voltage range
>
>Do the MSP430 with LCD drivers drive 3.3 LCD's down to the low 1.8V
>supply range? At first I just assumed they have charge pumps/voltage
>multipliers/step up converters to supply the 3.3 Volts to the LCDs
>like other micro's, but didn't see anything in the data sheet to
>suggest such
>thanks
>
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Reply by Matt Pobursky●May 31, 20062006-05-31
Nope. The LCD drivers are simply analog switches that supply the LCD
mux voltages from the external voltages on the R33, R23, R13 and R03
pins.
When I started using the MSP4304xx series a few years ago I asked the
TI factory engineers why they didn't implement a charge pump for the
LCD. Their answer was that it added quite a bit of die space and power
consumption for something that maybe 50% of users need. It makes sense
-- since then I've done about a dozen LCD designs and haven't needed
to
step up the battery voltage to drive an LCD.
You could specify a low voltage LCD (~1.8V) or use a battery that never
drops below your minimum LCD "on" voltage.
Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems
On Wed, 31 May 2006 18:37:38 -0000, bungalow_steve
wrote:
> Do the MSP430 with LCD drivers drive 3.3 LCD's down to the low 1.8V
> supply range? At first I just assumed they have charge pumps/voltage
> multipliers/step up converters to supply the 3.3 Volts to the LCDs
> like other micro's, but didn't see anything in the data sheet to
> suggest such
> thanks
Reply by bungalow_steve●May 31, 20062006-05-31
Do the MSP430 with LCD drivers drive 3.3 LCD's down to the low 1.8V
supply range? At first I just assumed they have charge pumps/voltage
multipliers/step up converters to supply the 3.3 Volts to the LCDs
like other micro's, but didn't see anything in the data sheet to
suggest such
thanks