On 2019-12-28 16:22, Rick C wrote:
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs
> wrote:
>> On 2019-12-28 14:36, Rick C wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:21:52 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-12-28 12:37, Rick C wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil
>>>>> Hobbs wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>> Martin Riddle wrote:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> 
Release date is...  November or early next year.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry
>>>>>>>> PI
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(
>>>>> 
>>>>> What are you talking about???
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should 
>>>>> discuss things?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Where on earth did you get that idea?  I just despise LabView,
>>>> and now it'll be everywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> "Ah, LabView: spaghetti code that even _looks_ like
>>>> spaghetti."
>>> 
>>> Lol, I hardly thing this is the beginning of the total
>>> desctruction of engineering as we know it.  What do you dislike
>>> about it?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> See the quote.  LabView code is at least as hard to debug as a 
>> spreadsheet--easy for trivial cases, but very difficult in
>> complicated ones.
>> 
>> Plus a lot of stuff goes on at the driver level that you don't
>> have access to from user code.  For instance, last time I checked
>> there was no way to find out from user code whether your
>> multichannel MUXed ADC card was sampling all the channels as close
>> together as possible, or helpfully spacing them out evenly within
>> the sample period.
>> 
>> That matters a lot in instruments where you're doing significant
>> amounts of signal processing.
>> 
>> I wouldn't care, except that some customers really want to use
>> LabView with our stuff, and supporting that is painful as well as
>> unproductive.
> 
> So you are saying your customers want you to work in LabView?  Isn't
> it easy enough to say you don't do that???  

Of course.  But since we're moving to an IP licensing + NRE model, it's 
economically important to make it easy for the customer to use our stuff.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2019-12-28 14:36, Rick C wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:21:52 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs
> > wrote:
> >> On 2019-12-28 12:37, Rick C wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin
> >>>>> Riddle wrote:
> >>>>>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 
> Release date is...  November or early next year.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(
> >>> 
> >>> What are you talking about???
> >>> 
> >>> This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should
> >>> discuss things?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Where on earth did you get that idea?  I just despise LabView, and
> >> now it'll be everywhere.
> >> 
> >> "Ah, LabView: spaghetti code that even _looks_ like spaghetti."
> > 
> > Lol, I hardly thing this is the beginning of the total desctruction
> > of engineering as we know it.  What do you dislike about it?
> > 
> 
> 
> See the quote.  LabView code is at least as hard to debug as a 
> spreadsheet--easy for trivial cases, but very difficult in complicated 
> ones.
> 
> Plus a lot of stuff goes on at the driver level that you don't have 
> access to from user code.  For instance, last time I checked there was 
> no way to find out from user code whether your multichannel MUXed ADC 
> card was sampling all the channels as close together as possible, or 
> helpfully spacing them out evenly within the sample period.
> 
> That matters a lot in instruments where you're doing significant amounts 
> of signal processing.
> 
> I wouldn't care, except that some customers really want to use LabView 
> with our stuff, and supporting that is painful as well as unproductive.

So you are saying your customers want you to work in LabView?  Isn't it easy enough to say you don't do that???  When I get calls asking me to bid on an electrical wiring job I don't have any trouble telling them I don't do that.  Actually, next time I think I'm going to tell them I'd love to bid on it as soon as we get our license back after the big fire.  The fire marshal never said they could prove it was our fault.  That company should have had better insurance!!! 

-- 

  Rick C.

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On 2019-12-28 14:36, Rick C wrote:
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:21:52 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs
> wrote:
>> On 2019-12-28 12:37, Rick C wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin
>>>>> Riddle wrote:
>>>>>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
Release date is...  November or early next year.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(
>>> 
>>> What are you talking about???
>>> 
>>> This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should
>>> discuss things?
>>> 
>> 
>> Where on earth did you get that idea?  I just despise LabView, and
>> now it'll be everywhere.
>> 
>> "Ah, LabView: spaghetti code that even _looks_ like spaghetti."
> 
> Lol, I hardly thing this is the beginning of the total desctruction
> of engineering as we know it.  What do you dislike about it?
> 

See the quote.  LabView code is at least as hard to debug as a 
spreadsheet--easy for trivial cases, but very difficult in complicated 
ones.

Plus a lot of stuff goes on at the driver level that you don't have 
access to from user code.  For instance, last time I checked there was 
no way to find out from user code whether your multichannel MUXed ADC 
card was sampling all the channels as close together as possible, or 
helpfully spacing them out evenly within the sample period.

That matters a lot in instruments where you're doing significant amounts 
of signal processing.

I wouldn't care, except that some customers really want to use LabView 
with our stuff, and supporting that is painful as well as unproductive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:21:52 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2019-12-28 12:37, Rick C wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> >> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin Riddle wrote:
> >>>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
> >>>>
> >>>> Release date is...  November or early next year.
> >>>>
> >>>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(
> > 
> > What are you talking about???
> > 
> > This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should discuss things?
> > 
> 
> Where on earth did you get that idea?  I just despise LabView, and now 
> it'll be everywhere.
> 
> "Ah, LabView: spaghetti code that even _looks_ like spaghetti."

Lol, I hardly thing this is the beginning of the total desctruction of engineering as we know it.  What do you dislike about it?  

-- 

  Rick C.

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On 2019-12-28 12:37, Rick C wrote:
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin Riddle wrote:
>>>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
>>>>
>>>> Release date is...  November or early next year.
>>>>
>>>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
>>>
>>
>> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(
> 
> What are you talking about???
> 
> This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should discuss things?
> 

Where on earth did you get that idea?  I just despise LabView, and now 
it'll be everywhere.

"Ah, LabView: spaghetti code that even _looks_ like spaghetti."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin Riddle wrote:
> >> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
> >>
> >> Release date is...  November or early next year.
> >>
> >> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
> >>
> >> Cheers
> > 
> > That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
> > 
> 
> Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(

What are you talking about???  

This is a discussion group.  You don't think people should discuss things? 

-- 

  Rick C.

  + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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On 2019-12-28 12:07, Rick C wrote:
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:02:21 PM UTC-4, Martin Riddle wrote:
>> <https://www.mediamongrels.com/free-labview-for-everyone-labview-community-edition-coming-soon/>
>>
>> Release date is...  November or early next year.
>>
>> But the LINX toolkit in interesting for the Raspberry PI
>>
>> Cheers
> 
> That's interesting.  I had missed this until now.
> 

Blech.  Now there'll be no escaping it. :(

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com