On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:36:58 PM UTC-4, john....@gmail.com wrote:
> Google Groups introduced a new interface "with a fresh new look" a week ago.  Simultaneously, major newsgroups like this one, and comp.lang.python, were locked out of Google Groups.  I saw the message you posted here in multiple places.
> 
> I was starting to think about how I could find an alternate news server, but I decided to check Google Groups one more time.  As of today, it is working again.  I hope it stays that way.

I still use the classic interface.  I have no idea why they feel a need to change thing that appear to work fine without having a clear idea of what they want to "fix".  I can't see anything better about it and the organization seems to make some things less useful. 

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Google Groups introduced a new interface "with a fresh new look" a week ago.  Simultaneously, major newsgroups like this one, and comp.lang.python, were locked out of Google Groups.  I saw the message you posted here in multiple places.

I was starting to think about how I could find an alternate news server, but I decided to check Google Groups one more time.  As of today, it is working again.  I hope it stays that way.

On 7/29/2020 12:12, John A. Zoidberg wrote:
> Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> You mean there are people who haven't plonked all posts from GG?
> 
> I did, but after more and more decent people started using GG due to
> shortage of available newsservers, I removed this rule.
> 

I view this group - and occasionally some other, like SED - mainly
via google groups; when I post I use a news thingie, Thunderbird.
I think I saw the newsserver (eternal September) not working
once or twice last few years, may be last 10 years - but I am
not a hugely frequent poster.

Not so sure what spam via google groups the talk is about, looking
at CAE every day it takes months between the odd spam posts.
Of course the text reformatting is somewhat unpredictable if one
posts without recent experience with their web interface.

Dimiter

Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You mean there are people who haven't plonked all posts from GG?

I did, but after more and more decent people started using GG due to 
shortage of available newsservers, I removed this rule.

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 28/07/2020 19:24, Rick C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> >> On 28/07/2020 15:09, Theo wrote:
> >>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> >>>> It seems to be working fine for real newsservers and real newsreaders.
> >>>> (It's not a group I follow, but I checked it out for you.)  Perhaps it's
> >>>> just Google Groups that sees a problem.  GG posters are usually the
> >>>> source of spam and floods - maybe Google has started doing something
> >>>> about it.
> >>>
> >>> uk.telecom was troubled by drugs spam from Google Groups posters.
> >>> The group got blocked in a similar way, making the archive inaccessible.
> >>> It said the group owner could get it unblocked.
> >>> People raised tickets with Google 'support', who didn't understand that
> >>> there was such a thing as Usenet groups and they have no owner.
> >>> Eventually the support agent managed to understand and said they would take
> >>> it further.  Nothing happened.
> >>> Someone said they knew someone in Google and would take it up with them.
> >>> It's still blocked.
> >>>
> >>
> >> For most Usenet users, it's often a good thing that Google Groups blocks
> >> posting to a group.  Obviously GG is not the source of /all/ problem
> >> posters, but they have a heavy share of them - people who can't get
> >> attributions right, can't get line lengths right, can't trim, fly-by
> >> posters, spammers, and especially necroposters.  There are certainly
> >> plenty of good posters that use GG (such as Rick, who started this
> >> thread), but most of these can move to a real newserver and newsclient
> >> without too much disruption.
> >>
> >> But blocking the searchable archives is a different matter.  If Google
> >> were to make its interface read-only, I think a lot of us would be happy.
> > 
> > God, what a whiner.  How can you stand to even be on the Internet? 
> > 
> 
> Perhaps I was a little hasty in mentioning Rick.  But I still have hopes
> that you will leave the dark side one day.

Yeah, that's what I expected rather than cleaning up your act. 

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On 28/07/2020 19:24, Rick C wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> On 28/07/2020 15:09, Theo wrote:
>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>>> It seems to be working fine for real newsservers and real newsreaders.
>>>> (It's not a group I follow, but I checked it out for you.)  Perhaps it's
>>>> just Google Groups that sees a problem.  GG posters are usually the
>>>> source of spam and floods - maybe Google has started doing something
>>>> about it.
>>>
>>> uk.telecom was troubled by drugs spam from Google Groups posters.
>>> The group got blocked in a similar way, making the archive inaccessible.
>>> It said the group owner could get it unblocked.
>>> People raised tickets with Google 'support', who didn't understand that
>>> there was such a thing as Usenet groups and they have no owner.
>>> Eventually the support agent managed to understand and said they would take
>>> it further.  Nothing happened.
>>> Someone said they knew someone in Google and would take it up with them.
>>> It's still blocked.
>>>
>>
>> For most Usenet users, it's often a good thing that Google Groups blocks
>> posting to a group.  Obviously GG is not the source of /all/ problem
>> posters, but they have a heavy share of them - people who can't get
>> attributions right, can't get line lengths right, can't trim, fly-by
>> posters, spammers, and especially necroposters.  There are certainly
>> plenty of good posters that use GG (such as Rick, who started this
>> thread), but most of these can move to a real newserver and newsclient
>> without too much disruption.
>>
>> But blocking the searchable archives is a different matter.  If Google
>> were to make its interface read-only, I think a lot of us would be happy.
> 
> God, what a whiner.  How can you stand to even be on the Internet? 
> 

Perhaps I was a little hasty in mentioning Rick.  But I still have hopes
that you will leave the dark side one day.

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 28/07/2020 15:09, Theo wrote:
> > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> >> It seems to be working fine for real newsservers and real newsreaders.
> >> (It's not a group I follow, but I checked it out for you.)  Perhaps it's
> >> just Google Groups that sees a problem.  GG posters are usually the
> >> source of spam and floods - maybe Google has started doing something
> >> about it.
> > 
> > uk.telecom was troubled by drugs spam from Google Groups posters.
> > The group got blocked in a similar way, making the archive inaccessible.
> > It said the group owner could get it unblocked.
> > People raised tickets with Google 'support', who didn't understand that
> > there was such a thing as Usenet groups and they have no owner.
> > Eventually the support agent managed to understand and said they would take
> > it further.  Nothing happened.
> > Someone said they knew someone in Google and would take it up with them.
> > It's still blocked.
> > 
> 
> For most Usenet users, it's often a good thing that Google Groups blocks
> posting to a group.  Obviously GG is not the source of /all/ problem
> posters, but they have a heavy share of them - people who can't get
> attributions right, can't get line lengths right, can't trim, fly-by
> posters, spammers, and especially necroposters.  There are certainly
> plenty of good posters that use GG (such as Rick, who started this
> thread), but most of these can move to a real newserver and newsclient
> without too much disruption.
> 
> But blocking the searchable archives is a different matter.  If Google
> were to make its interface read-only, I think a lot of us would be happy.

God, what a whiner.  How can you stand to even be on the Internet? 

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On 2020-07-28, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> For most Usenet users, it's often a good thing that Google Groups blocks
> posting to a group.

You mean there are people who haven't plonked all posts from GG?  I
told slrn to do that years and years and years ago.

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On 28/07/2020 15:09, Theo wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> It seems to be working fine for real newsservers and real newsreaders.
>> (It's not a group I follow, but I checked it out for you.)  Perhaps it's
>> just Google Groups that sees a problem.  GG posters are usually the
>> source of spam and floods - maybe Google has started doing something
>> about it.
> 
> uk.telecom was troubled by drugs spam from Google Groups posters.
> The group got blocked in a similar way, making the archive inaccessible.
> It said the group owner could get it unblocked.
> People raised tickets with Google 'support', who didn't understand that
> there was such a thing as Usenet groups and they have no owner.
> Eventually the support agent managed to understand and said they would take
> it further.  Nothing happened.
> Someone said they knew someone in Google and would take it up with them.
> It's still blocked.
> 

For most Usenet users, it's often a good thing that Google Groups blocks
posting to a group.  Obviously GG is not the source of /all/ problem
posters, but they have a heavy share of them - people who can't get
attributions right, can't get line lengths right, can't trim, fly-by
posters, spammers, and especially necroposters.  There are certainly
plenty of good posters that use GG (such as Rick, who started this
thread), but most of these can move to a real newserver and newsclient
without too much disruption.

But blocking the searchable archives is a different matter.  If Google
were to make its interface read-only, I think a lot of us would be happy.

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> It seems to be working fine for real newsservers and real newsreaders.
> (It's not a group I follow, but I checked it out for you.)  Perhaps it's
> just Google Groups that sees a problem.  GG posters are usually the
> source of spam and floods - maybe Google has started doing something
> about it.

uk.telecom was troubled by drugs spam from Google Groups posters.
The group got blocked in a similar way, making the archive inaccessible.
It said the group owner could get it unblocked.
People raised tickets with Google 'support', who didn't understand that
there was such a thing as Usenet groups and they have no owner.
Eventually the support agent managed to understand and said they would take
it further.  Nothing happened.
Someone said they knew someone in Google and would take it up with them.
It's still blocked.

Theo