Reply by c51dude August 26, 20042004-08-26
> Anyway, I talked today with a representative of Keil here im Brazil,
> and he told me that only upgrading my PK-51 to a new version with
> uVision would not work because only the IDE would have support for
> ARM cpu's but the compiler, assemler and linker would be missing.
> I though that as these components are GNU I would be able get it on
> the internet and the system would be complete.

PK51 is the toolset for the 8051 which is not compatible with ARM.
You need the DK-ARM tools which include uVision3. You can actually
download a fully-functional toolset from www.keil.com. The Keil
Compiler, Assembler, and Linker are included and are fully
functional. The GNU tools are also available for download and they
are unrestricted as well. The only limitation (at this time) is that
the debugger is limited to 16K program size.

Jon Ward
Keil Software



An Engineer's Guide to the LPC2100 Series

Reply by jose_israel_sousa August 25, 20042004-08-25
Thank you Bob,
Anyway, I talked today with a representative of Keil here im Brazil,
and he told me that only upgrading my PK-51 to a new version with
uVision would not work because only the IDE would have support for
ARM cpu's but the compiler, assemler and linker would be missing.
I though that as these components are GNU I would be able get it on
the internet and the system would be complete.
The upgrade for the PK-51 cost US 1,500 and the DK ARM fron Keil
cost US 3,200, so I think I am going to forget about Keil and try
other options more affordable.

Thanks,
Jose Israel

-- In , "lpc2100_fan" <lpc2100_fan@y...>
wrote:
> Jose,
>
> if you want to simulate the whole device, not just the instruction
> set, as far as I know, Keil is the only one to support this. Also
keep
> in mind that switching a tool chain will introduce a learning curve
> for the new tools.
> Keep in mind that you will get a new compiler from Keil now that
is no
> longer GNU based. However, the installation I have offers both
> options, the GNU based and the new Keil-owned compiler. Code size
is
> VERY different because the GNU libraries eat up too much memory.
> If you were satisfied with Keil before, I would stick with it, if
not,
> the list of GNU based compilers is still in this e-mail thread. I
> heard good things about the Rowley tools, very intuitive.
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> --- In , "jose_israel_sousa"
> <jose_israel_sousa@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Markcrow,
> >
> > I have a Keil PK 51 developer's kit that I've been using for
develop
> > applications with Dallas DS87C530 ( with a Ceibo DS-51 in-
circuit
> > Emulator).
> > Now that I intend to start experimenting the LPC 2106 I'll need
> > a development system for it.
> > I have the option to make an upgrade in my PK 51 to a uVision or
buy
> > another toolset(maybe Embest ?).
> > May you give some opinion, in witch option is the best.
> > I don't know if while using uVision I will need any hardware to
> > conect to my development board. Please may you clarify it to me?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jose Israel (... from Brazil)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "markcrow" <mcrow@p...> wrote:
> > > I have spent considerable time evaluating 11 different IDE/EDE
> > (GUI)
> > > toolsets. Keil, as with similar products, is one of the least
> > > expensive due to the fact that the compiler and linkers are
GNU.
> > > Here's a short GNU-based list of vendors and prices (prices
> > subject
> > > to change):
> > >
> > > Rowley Associates (CrossStudio): $795 + $150 for debugger
hardware
> > > Embest: $960 (2 licenses) including debugger hardware
> > > Ashling (AsIDE): $1995 including debugger hardware
> > > and Keil (uVision3) as you probably know is $2095 including
> > debugger.
> > >
> > > The ARM-based GUIs are 2-5 times any of the above prices.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "TobiasRompf"
<tobiasrompf@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey Folks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > what GUIs do you use to develeope your software for the
LPC2100
> > > > series?
> > > >
> > > > I already worked the Keil, but it's a little to expensive
and
> > the
> > > > restricted evaluation version allows to few source-code
(16kB)
> > > >
> > > > Maybe ther's a nice Freeware, Open-Source-Project?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tobias





Reply by lpc2100_fan August 25, 20042004-08-25
Jose,

if you want to simulate the whole device, not just the instruction
set, as far as I know, Keil is the only one to support this. Also keep
in mind that switching a tool chain will introduce a learning curve
for the new tools.
Keep in mind that you will get a new compiler from Keil now that is no
longer GNU based. However, the installation I have offers both
options, the GNU based and the new Keil-owned compiler. Code size is
VERY different because the GNU libraries eat up too much memory.
If you were satisfied with Keil before, I would stick with it, if not,
the list of GNU based compilers is still in this e-mail thread. I
heard good things about the Rowley tools, very intuitive.

Cheers, Bob

--- In , "jose_israel_sousa"
<jose_israel_sousa@y...> wrote:
> Hi Markcrow,
>
> I have a Keil PK 51 developer's kit that I've been using for develop
> applications with Dallas DS87C530 ( with a Ceibo DS-51 in-circuit
> Emulator).
> Now that I intend to start experimenting the LPC 2106 I'll need
> a development system for it.
> I have the option to make an upgrade in my PK 51 to a uVision or buy
> another toolset(maybe Embest ?).
> May you give some opinion, in witch option is the best.
> I don't know if while using uVision I will need any hardware to
> conect to my development board. Please may you clarify it to me?
>
> Thanks,
> Jose Israel (... from Brazil) >
> --- In , "markcrow" <mcrow@p...> wrote:
> > I have spent considerable time evaluating 11 different IDE/EDE
> (GUI)
> > toolsets. Keil, as with similar products, is one of the least
> > expensive due to the fact that the compiler and linkers are GNU.
> > Here's a short GNU-based list of vendors and prices (prices
> subject
> > to change):
> >
> > Rowley Associates (CrossStudio): $795 + $150 for debugger hardware
> > Embest: $960 (2 licenses) including debugger hardware
> > Ashling (AsIDE): $1995 including debugger hardware
> > and Keil (uVision3) as you probably know is $2095 including
> debugger.
> >
> > The ARM-based GUIs are 2-5 times any of the above prices.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > --- In , "TobiasRompf" <tobiasrompf@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hey Folks,
> > >
> > >
> > > what GUIs do you use to develeope your software for the LPC2100
> > > series?
> > >
> > > I already worked the Keil, but it's a little to expensive and
> the
> > > restricted evaluation version allows to few source-code (16kB)
> > >
> > > Maybe ther's a nice Freeware, Open-Source-Project?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > > Tobias





Reply by jose_israel_sousa August 24, 20042004-08-24
Hi Markcrow,

I have a Keil PK 51 developer's kit that I've been using for develop
applications with Dallas DS87C530 ( with a Ceibo DS-51 in-circuit
Emulator).
Now that I intend to start experimenting the LPC 2106 I'll need
a development system for it.
I have the option to make an upgrade in my PK 51 to a uVision or buy
another toolset(maybe Embest ?).
May you give some opinion, in witch option is the best.
I don't know if while using uVision I will need any hardware to
conect to my development board. Please may you clarify it to me?

Thanks,
Jose Israel (... from Brazil)
--- In , "markcrow" <mcrow@p...> wrote:
> I have spent considerable time evaluating 11 different IDE/EDE
(GUI)
> toolsets. Keil, as with similar products, is one of the least
> expensive due to the fact that the compiler and linkers are GNU.
> Here's a short GNU-based list of vendors and prices (prices
subject
> to change):
>
> Rowley Associates (CrossStudio): $795 + $150 for debugger hardware
> Embest: $960 (2 licenses) including debugger hardware
> Ashling (AsIDE): $1995 including debugger hardware
> and Keil (uVision3) as you probably know is $2095 including
debugger.
>
> The ARM-based GUIs are 2-5 times any of the above prices.
>
> Good luck. > --- In , "TobiasRompf" <tobiasrompf@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> >
> > what GUIs do you use to develeope your software for the LPC2100
> > series?
> >
> > I already worked the Keil, but it's a little to expensive and
the
> > restricted evaluation version allows to few source-code (16kB)
> >
> > Maybe ther's a nice Freeware, Open-Source-Project?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Tobias





Reply by markcrow July 21, 20042004-07-21
I have spent considerable time evaluating 11 different IDE/EDE (GUI)
toolsets. Keil, as with similar products, is one of the least
expensive due to the fact that the compiler and linkers are GNU.
Here's a short GNU-based list of vendors and prices (prices subject
to change):

Rowley Associates (CrossStudio): $795 + $150 for debugger hardware
Embest: $960 (2 licenses) including debugger hardware
Ashling (AsIDE): $1995 including debugger hardware
and Keil (uVision3) as you probably know is $2095 including debugger.

The ARM-based GUIs are 2-5 times any of the above prices.

Good luck. --- In , "TobiasRompf" <tobiasrompf@y...>
wrote:
> Hey Folks, > what GUIs do you use to develeope your software for the LPC2100
> series?
>
> I already worked the Keil, but it's a little to expensive and the
> restricted evaluation version allows to few source-code (16kB)
>
> Maybe ther's a nice Freeware, Open-Source-Project? > Thanks in advance > Tobias





Reply by TobiasRompf July 20, 20042004-07-20
Hey Folks, what GUIs do you use to develeope your software for the LPC2100
series?

I already worked the Keil, but it's a little to expensive and the
restricted evaluation version allows to few source-code (16kB)

Maybe ther's a nice Freeware, Open-Source-Project? Thanks in advance Tobias