----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Curtis"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag wiggler
problem
> Hi,
>
>> >> just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
>> >> by "extending" the eval-period ?
>> >
>> > I'm not sure I understand the question. We're well aware that some
>> > people push the bounds of what they've asked for. If an evaluator
> requests
>> > an extension by sending in a second or third request for a 30-day
>> > period, we ask no questions and return keys.
>>
>> I think that's what I liked to know, if there is a limit in the SW.
>> One can't use the eval-version beyond the point the license expired
>> (unless he cracked it).
>
> There is a time limit. But no size limit in evaluation mode. It's not
> hard
> to find ways around any piece of software.

The (quite expensive) Pulsonix PCB software I use has a dongle, but someone
managed to crack it because the software key was quite short. They made the
key much longer and no-one has subsequently been able to crack it.

Leon

I did not use CW until today, I used for some days after received the
license. I first ask for a license in 2006 after receive some LPC2148
samples and make a small board for test it. Now I received some STM32
samples and ask for a license again for test this new parts. I don't thing I
made something wrong for asking for a new evaluation license for a new part,
after more than a year. If I was using a cracked version of your program
till now, I wont need to ask for another evaluation license.
Sorry for my bad English.
Best regards,
Maia

-------Original Message-------

From: Paul Curtis
Date: 20/2/2008 06:04:03
To: l...
Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag wiggler
problem

...even so, we only issue licenses for 30 days. From 14 Jan 2008 to today
is 33 days...

-- Paul.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:15
> To: l...
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler problem
>
> 36 days from december 2006 to january 2008???? What planet you live?
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: kdpainter
> Date: 02/19/08 20:54:27
> To: l...
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag wiggler
> problem
>
> By my calculation, the time between your license time and Paul's
> response is 36 days, 7 hours, 52 minutes.
>
> --- In l..., "jsmaiabr" wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you say now?
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: license
> > Date: 14/1/2008 05:54:45
> > To: Maia
> > Subject: Re: CrossWorks for ARM 1.7 Evaluation Registration
> >
> > 026ZJ-17N1P-NUTXU-C9FIE-JRGC6-F7FKM-MQXMX-HK2QA-PHGCI-REH5V+
> > F4XV4-KNDL7-QN1W6-1KK0P-O8O2S-01CAD-75EXZ-OH31L-WAO7E-ZVN16
> > > I would like to evaluate CrossWorks for 30 days. My evaluation
> > > registration key is:
> > > 12JX7-6JW84-JMUAV-3LORI-BZLWF-T4IAN-SC4RF-Z0MWF-XOBUS-X5R60+
> > > JT9PI-D3TMN-DJIDY-RHPHL-TC1HL-R5Q3X-6JFZF-4UP4Y-B7T52-MWC4A I
> > > understand that this is for evaluation only and must not be used
> for
> > > commercial purposes. Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Paul Curtis
> > Date: 19/2/2008 13:46:37
> > To: l...
> > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler
> > problem
> >
> > Ok, I just wondered how you're still using CrossWorks when you
> evaluated for
> > 30 days in December 2006? Unless I'm mistaken, of course, I don't see
> > another activation from your address. That's all.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> > > Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> > > Sent: 19 February 2008 16:44
> > > To: l...
> > > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > > wiggler problem
> > >
> > > Sorry, I don't understand. May you be more clear?
> > > Regards,
> > > Maia
> >
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: Paul Curtis
> > > Date: 19/2/2008 09:09:55
> > > To: l...
> > > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > > wiggler
> > > problem
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Mine works without any problem with CW + LPC (don't need H-JTAG).
> > > Works
> > > > with CW + STM32 too, but after some time of use Windows XP give
> me a
> > > blue
> > > > screen.
> > >
> > > That's for our extra-special-value customers.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > > CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Hi,

> >> just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
> >> by "extending" the eval-period ?
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the question. We're well aware that some
> > people push the bounds of what they've asked for. If an evaluator
requests
> > an extension by sending in a second or third request for a 30-day
> > period, we ask no questions and return keys.
>
> I think that's what I liked to know, if there is a limit in the SW.
> One can't use the eval-version beyond the point the license expired
> (unless he cracked it).

There is a time limit. But no size limit in evaluation mode. It's not hard
to find ways around any piece of software.

> > We've had the case of a Portugese university running a whole course
> using our "evaluation" software. When challenged, I was told that they
are
> just evaluating but running a course to see how they get on with it. For
> months and months. And 13 students. When I refused to send ore keys over
> > Christmas I was told that I was a "bad man" and that it was "vital
> for me to
> > complete my course." What can you do? I mean, we offer Personal and
> > Educational licenses and their use was well outside the parameters of
> > evaluation.
>
> Now that's a story. When I see your "personal license" I expect even
> more things like this coming up (consultants who only use it
> privately).

There's little to do. I don't really wish to penalise hobbyists by denying
them access to our software just because of a few bad eggs. I would have
loved access to something like CrossWorks when I was young, at an affordable
price, just because I loved to tinker.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors

Paul Curtis schrieb:

>> just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
>> by "extending" the eval-period ?
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question. We're well aware that some people
> push the bounds of what they've asked for. If an evaluator requests an
> extension by sending in a second or third request for a 30-day period, we
> ask no questions and return keys.

I think that's what I liked to know, if there is a limit in the SW.
One can't use the eval-version beyond the point the license expired
(unless he cracked it).
> We've had the case of a Portugese university running a whole course using
> our "evaluation" software. When challenged, I was told that they are just
> evaluating but running a course to see how they get on with it. For months
> and months. And 13 students. When I refused to send ore keys over
> Christmas I was told that I was a "bad man" and that it was "vital for me to
> complete my course." What can you do? I mean, we offer Personal and
> Educational licenses and their use was well outside the parameters of
> evaluation.

Now that's a story. When I see your "personal license" I expect even
more things like this coming up (consultants who only use it privately).

--
42Bastian

Note: SPAM-only account, direct mail to bs42@...

Leon,

> >> >> just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
> >> >> by "extending" the eval-period ?
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure I understand the question. We're well aware that
> some
> >> > people push the bounds of what they've asked for. If an evaluator
> > requests
> >> > an extension by sending in a second or third request for a 30-day
> >> > period, we ask no questions and return keys.
> >>
> >> I think that's what I liked to know, if there is a limit in the SW.
> >> One can't use the eval-version beyond the point the license expired
> >> (unless he cracked it).
> >
> > There is a time limit. But no size limit in evaluation mode. It's
> not
> > hard
> > to find ways around any piece of software.
>
> The (quite expensive) Pulsonix PCB software I use has a dongle, but
> someone managed to crack it because the software key was quite short. They
made
> the key much longer and no-one has subsequently been able to crack it.

Whilst you may not be able to crack a private key, you still need to be able
to run software. This means that even if the software is encrypted, passed
through the dongle, and then run, it's still possible to take a snapshot of
what comes out through the key. SafeNet Sentinels and many other pieces of
software protected by keys have been cracked. All the key providers
acknowledge that such a scheme is always capable of being broken, the best
you can do is make it more difficult.

Of course, if we only supported our own hardware and made the hardware
non-copyable, then it would be simply a matter of giving away the software
and charging high prices for the hardware--problem solved!

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors

Hi,

> Paul
>
> >...even so, we only issue licenses for 30 days. From 14 Jan 2008 to
> > today is 33 days...
>
> just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
> by "extending" the eval-period ?

I'm not sure I understand the question. We're well aware that some people
push the bounds of what they've asked for. If an evaluator requests an
extension by sending in a second or third request for a 30-day period, we
ask no questions and return keys. Everybody can wade through porn to find
the crack sites. Our licensing is enough to keep legitimate users on the
right path, we know we're not going to sell to everybody who evaluates and
we're not going to sell to customers that want to use our software without
paying. But what I *do* object to very strongly is people using our
software without paying and wanting support, rolling up at our helpdesk--or
asking for it in other places.

Whether this is such as case, I'm not sure.

> (A problem our company also has to deal with, but so far no one was so
> cheeky to make it public when (s)he continues to use our RTOS beyond
> the eval time).

We've had the case of a Portugese university running a whole course using
our "evaluation" software. When challenged, I was told that they are just
evaluating but running a course to see how they get on with it. For months
and months. And 13 students. When I refused to send ore keys over
Christmas I was told that I was a "bad man" and that it was "vital for me to
complete my course." What can you do? I mean, we offer Personal and
Educational licenses and their use was well outside the parameters of
evaluation.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors

Paul

>...even so, we only issue licenses for 30 days. From 14 Jan 2008 to
> today is 33 days...

just out of curiosity, is there more then a "moral" limitation
by "extending" the eval-period ?
(A problem our company also has to deal with, but so far no one was so
cheeky to make it public when (s)he continues to use our RTOS beyond
the eval time).

--
42Bastian

...even so, we only issue licenses for 30 days. From 14 Jan 2008 to today
is 33 days...

-- Paul.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:15
> To: l...
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler problem
>
> 36 days from december 2006 to january 2008???? What planet you live?
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: kdpainter
> Date: 02/19/08 20:54:27
> To: l...
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag wiggler
> problem
>
> By my calculation, the time between your license time and Paul's
> response is 36 days, 7 hours, 52 minutes.
>
> --- In l..., "jsmaiabr" wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you say now?
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: license
> > Date: 14/1/2008 05:54:45
> > To: Maia
> > Subject: Re: CrossWorks for ARM 1.7 Evaluation Registration
> >
> > 026ZJ-17N1P-NUTXU-C9FIE-JRGC6-F7FKM-MQXMX-HK2QA-PHGCI-REH5V+
> > F4XV4-KNDL7-QN1W6-1KK0P-O8O2S-01CAD-75EXZ-OH31L-WAO7E-ZVN16
> > > I would like to evaluate CrossWorks for 30 days. My evaluation
> > > registration key is:
> > > 12JX7-6JW84-JMUAV-3LORI-BZLWF-T4IAN-SC4RF-Z0MWF-XOBUS-X5R60+
> > > JT9PI-D3TMN-DJIDY-RHPHL-TC1HL-R5Q3X-6JFZF-4UP4Y-B7T52-MWC4A I
> > > understand that this is for evaluation only and must not be used
> for
> > > commercial purposes. Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Paul Curtis
> > Date: 19/2/2008 13:46:37
> > To: l...
> > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler
> > problem
> >
> > Ok, I just wondered how you're still using CrossWorks when you
> evaluated for
> > 30 days in December 2006? Unless I'm mistaken, of course, I don't see
> > another activation from your address. That's all.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> > > Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> > > Sent: 19 February 2008 16:44
> > > To: l...
> > > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > > wiggler problem
> > >
> > > Sorry, I don't understand. May you be more clear?
> > > Regards,
> > > Maia
> >
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: Paul Curtis
> > > Date: 19/2/2008 09:09:55
> > > To: l...
> > > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > > wiggler
> > > problem
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Mine works without any problem with CW + LPC (don't need H-JTAG).
> > > Works
> > > > with CW + STM32 too, but after some time of use Windows XP give
> me a
> > > blue
> > > > screen.
> > >
> > > That's for our extra-special-value customers.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > > CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Nothing more than I said before, that we didn't receive that from your
e-mail address, you sent it from another domain.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors

> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> Sent: 19 February 2008 17:15
> To: l...
> Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler problem
> What you say now?
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: license
> Date: 14/1/2008 05:54:45
> To: Maia
> Subject: Re: CrossWorks for ARM 1.7 Evaluation Registration
>
> 026ZJ-17N1P-NUTXU-C9FIE-JRGC6-F7FKM-MQXMX-HK2QA-PHGCI-REH5V+
> F4XV4-KNDL7-QN1W6-1KK0P-O8O2S-01CAD-75EXZ-OH31L-WAO7E-ZVN16
> > I would like to evaluate CrossWorks for 30 days. My evaluation
> > registration key is:
> > 12JX7-6JW84-JMUAV-3LORI-BZLWF-T4IAN-SC4RF-Z0MWF-XOBUS-X5R60+
> > JT9PI-D3TMN-DJIDY-RHPHL-TC1HL-R5Q3X-6JFZF-4UP4Y-B7T52-MWC4A I
> > understand that this is for evaluation only and must not be used for
> > commercial purposes. Thanks.
> >
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Paul Curtis
> Date: 19/2/2008 13:46:37
> To: l...
> Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> wiggler
> problem
>
> Ok, I just wondered how you're still using CrossWorks when you
> evaluated for
> 30 days in December 2006? Unless I'm mistaken, of course, I don't see
> another activation from your address. That's all.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> > Behalf Of jsmaiabr
> > Sent: 19 February 2008 16:44
> > To: l...
> > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > wiggler problem
> >
> > Sorry, I don't understand. May you be more clear?
> > Regards,
> > Maia
>
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Paul Curtis
> > Date: 19/2/2008 09:09:55
> > To: l...
> > Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Re: INTERESTING Rowley Crossworks 1.7 - jtag
> > wiggler
> > problem
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Mine works without any problem with CW + LPC (don't need H-JTAG).
> > Works
> > > with CW + STM32 too, but after some time of use Windows XP give me
> a
> > blue
> > > screen.
> >
> > That's for our extra-special-value customers.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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