On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:50:15 +0100, Chris Hills <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>In article <42c6b098.4549792@news-server.indy.rr.com>,
>AntiSPAM_g9u5dd43@yahoo.com writes
>>Keil and IAR are great tools, but have you considered alternatives?
>>
>>http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/
>
>Not for serious work.
>
>>http://www.dunfield.com/dks.htm
>>Dunfield 8051 Tools
>
>Keil recommend (or used to) this one for non-serious applications.
As the "Technical Support" page doesn't seem to have been updated since
their fax problems in March 2003, they might possibly not be the most
responsive vendor on the planet. Maybe Ontario Telephone is still
working on repairing the cut phone line?
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
Reply by Chris Hills●July 2, 20052005-07-02
In article <42c6b098.4549792@news-server.indy.rr.com>,
AntiSPAM_g9u5dd43@yahoo.com writes
Keil recommend (or used to) this one for non-serious applications.
>
>On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:23:15 +0200, "Mehta Shailendrakumar"
><shailendrakumar.mehta@de.bosch.com> wrote:
>>I will be using 8051 based micro-controller for my project.
>>I want to choose C complier for it between Keil and IAR.
>>Anybody who has experience on these compilers please help me in doing this
>>and share your experiences with these compilers. Let me also know any
>>benchmarks, comparisons
>>about the performances of these compilers.
>>Thank you.
>>Regards, Shailendra
>
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Reply by ●July 2, 20052005-07-02
Keil and IAR are great tools, but have you considered alternatives?
http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/http://www.dunfield.com/dks.htm
Dunfield 8051 Tools
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:23:15 +0200, "Mehta Shailendrakumar"
<shailendrakumar.mehta@de.bosch.com> wrote:
>I will be using 8051 based micro-controller for my project.
>I want to choose C complier for it between Keil and IAR.
>Anybody who has experience on these compilers please help me in doing this
>and share your experiences with these compilers. Let me also know any
>benchmarks, comparisons
>about the performances of these compilers.
>Thank you.
>Regards, Shailendra
Reply by Richard●July 1, 20052005-07-01
iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) wrote in news:42c545ae.670161500
@news.aioe.org:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:16:29 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Davy"
> <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> wrote:
>
>>My Keil came with a dongle :-(
>
> Five or six years ago, when I was using Keil 5.5, it did not have any
> use prevention, er, I mean "copy protection", but I heard complaints
> on usenet about the European version being dongled. You are
> apparently in England.
>
> I don't know if the U.S. version is still dongle (and other
> impediment) -free, but if it is, that would be more than enough to
> recommend it above IAR, if IAR is dongled. Version 5.5 was more than
> "good enough," and I hear the newer versions are even better.
The US version is still dongle free, and we have been extremely happy with
it for developing 8051 code.
--
Richard
Reply by Bob Stephens●July 1, 20052005-07-01
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:41:25 GMT, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:16:29 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Davy"
> <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> wrote:
>
>>My Keil came with a dongle :-(
>
> Five or six years ago, when I was using Keil 5.5, it did not have any
> use prevention, er, I mean "copy protection", but I heard complaints
> on usenet about the European version being dongled. You are
> apparently in England.
>
> I don't know if the U.S. version is still dongle (and other
> impediment) -free, but if it is, that would be more than enough to
> recommend it above IAR, if IAR is dongled. Version 5.5 was more than
> "good enough," and I hear the newer versions are even better.
>
> Regards,
>
> -=Dave
I have version 7.50 (US) and there is no dongle or other impedimentia.
Very pleased with it, too...
Bob
Five or six years ago, when I was using Keil 5.5, it did not have any
use prevention, er, I mean "copy protection", but I heard complaints
on usenet about the European version being dongled. You are
apparently in England.
I don't know if the U.S. version is still dongle (and other
impediment) -free, but if it is, that would be more than enough to
recommend it above IAR, if IAR is dongled. Version 5.5 was more than
"good enough," and I hear the newer versions are even better.
Regards,
-=Dave
--
Change is inevitable, progress is not.
Reply by Bill Davy●July 1, 20052005-07-01
My Keil came with a dongle :-(
"bitmaster" <geek@micros.xxx> wrote in message
news:YQVwe.2555$RC6.1366@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Mehta Shailendrakumar" <shailendrakumar.mehta@de.bosch.com> wrote in
> message news:da06l4$r72$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I will be using 8051 based micro-controller for my project.
>> I want to choose C complier for it between Keil and IAR.
>> Anybody who has experience on these compilers please help me in doing
>> this
>> and
>> share your experiences with these compilers. Let me also know any
>> benchmarks, comparisons
>> about the performances of these compilers.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shailendra
>
> Both are well thought of. IAR are notorious for restrictions
> such as; dongle required and a special code that takes a week to get,
> you don't buy the IAR compiler, you buy the right to use it ... meaning
> you can not resell it.
>
> Keil is much less restricted and has put out a quality product for many
> years.
>
>
>
Reply by Bob Stephens●June 30, 20052005-06-30
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:19:52 GMT, bitmaster wrote:
> "Mehta Shailendrakumar" <shailendrakumar.mehta@de.bosch.com> wrote in
> message news:da06l4$r72$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I will be using 8051 based micro-controller for my project.
>> I want to choose C complier for it between Keil and IAR.
>> Anybody who has experience on these compilers please help me in doing this
>> and
>> share your experiences with these compilers. Let me also know any
>> benchmarks, comparisons
>> about the performances of these compilers.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shailendra
>
> Both are well thought of. IAR are notorious for restrictions
> such as; dongle required and a special code that takes a week to get,
> you don't buy the IAR compiler, you buy the right to use it ... meaning
> you can not resell it.
>
> Keil is much less restricted and has put out a quality product for many
> years.
I have used Keil for the past two years and am quite pleased with it. I
recommend spending the extra bucks and getting the uV3 IDE as well. I used
to use the Keil tool set with Silicon Labs' IDE and it didn't work as well.
Bob
Reply by bitmaster●June 30, 20052005-06-30
"Mehta Shailendrakumar" <shailendrakumar.mehta@de.bosch.com> wrote in
message news:da06l4$r72$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I will be using 8051 based micro-controller for my project.
> I want to choose C complier for it between Keil and IAR.
> Anybody who has experience on these compilers please help me in doing this
> and
> share your experiences with these compilers. Let me also know any
> benchmarks, comparisons
> about the performances of these compilers.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Shailendra
Both are well thought of. IAR are notorious for restrictions
such as; dongle required and a special code that takes a week to get,
you don't buy the IAR compiler, you buy the right to use it ... meaning
you can not resell it.
Keil is much less restricted and has put out a quality product for many
years.
Reply by Not Really Me●June 30, 20052005-06-30
"robbie chen" <robbiecn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120125988.497402.219050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Keil is an welll-integrated toolkit.Now its name is uVersion 2.Once I
> used SyncMOS 51 chipset to build a voice terminal. I think you can do
> everything in Keil uVersion 2, coding, compiling, debugging, managing
> your project file. There is one issue, when I use hardware emulator to
> debug , I can't debug in source code level because all the source code
> is invisible.
>
> The performance of compiler, how to evaluate it? I think the code we
> design decide the performances.Ineffective code causes poor
> performance.
>
> Maybe you can lookup 8051 microcontroller FAQ in www.faq.org, it
> include detailed info.
>
> Good luck
>
Keil is now uVision 3. I highly recommend it. The built-in simulator is
fantastic.
Scott