Hi,

currently I am only developing "middle-ware" and thus the customer
decides what to use. So I newer really compared various libraries.
I think this standard library issue is the biggest flaw of embedded GCC.
You can have so much trouble with them (size issues, compiling issues,
etc). So if I would build my own system, I would buy a GCC package that
contains a pre-built maintained and system trimmed standard library. I
personally prefer Rowley Crossworks (I am not related to them). If you
look back mailing list history they seem to be proficient and helpful.
And they have a version for Linux too. Again this is my personal opinion.
On the other hand if that would be a hobby project with low budget and
no deadline, I would be happy to dig myself in to library optimization,
compilation and other such issues.

Standard library alternatives I heard of (not Linux or other OS based):
uclibc: http://www.uclibc.org/
newlib: http://sourceware.org/newlib/
oslib: http://oslib.sourceforge.net/

I kindly ask everybody to extend and comment this list.

Foltos

Jorge S. wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Foltos wrote:
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for the tool-chain try http://www.gnuarm.org/. gnuarm.com and .org has
>> different content. .org seems to be more up to date.
>> The official homepage of gcc (gcc.gnu.org) does not list an official arm
>> package maintainer. This means both "gnuarm.com" (registered by Richard
>> Collins) and "gnuarm.org" (registered by embedded.cl) has unofficial
>> binary packages.
>> So if you want to be sure get the latest source from gcc.gnu.org and
>> compile for yourself. (This is not a simple task. Also you need to
>> compile the standard library. You have several options here (newlib,
>> ucLibc, etc).)
>>
>>
> Wow! I didn't noticed the difference between .COM and .ORG, thanks for
> warning.
>
> The site gnuarm.ORG points to a codesourcery toolchain. What about this
> one? Any thoughts on this one?
>
> And about the libs, newlib seems to be the most used, any recommendations
> here?
>
> Thanks for helping :)
> .
>
>>
>>
>
> Start a New Thread

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM, per_martin_l wrote:
>
> Hallo
> Hope you are a member of this group
> look under the files for a catalog named LPC21ISP
> There you find the latest version 1.60 of the program.
> I have not tested it, because I only run windows
> and i run LPC2378 thus i cant ensure that it work
> with LPC2368, but its propably worth a try.
>
> Regards
> /Martin

Yes, i'll give it a try. At the moment i managed lpc2k_pgm to work
just modifing the source to match my chipid. But for sure i'll try
lpc2isp.

Thank you.
>
> W
>
> --- In l..., "Jorge S." wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:25 PM, per_martin_l wrote:
> >
> > > --- In l... ,
> "Jorge S."
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
> > > >
> > > > > Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 11:20 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> > > > > > Hi all:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all, sorry about my poor english (I'm spanish).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just starting with ARM7 and i own a LPC2368 evaluation
> board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've several questions to the group.Since i'm using linux
> > > (ubuntu) on
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > desktop computer i would like to keep it as
> > > > > > my development OS but its not a "must". I can switch to
> windows if
> > > > > > linux is
> > > > > > not well supported.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Is there anybody here using Linux and developing for the
> LPC23xx?
> > > > > > Can you point
> > > > > > me to some "clear" tutorial on how to build a development
> enviroment
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > the LPC23xx uCs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What i have working so far:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Toolchain: Downloaded from GNUARM.com. Is this the good one?
> > > > > > - Eclipse: There are several tutorials/how-tos for
> > > linux/windows. Any
> > > > > > better setup?
> > > > > >
> > > > > If it works - why better? ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes it works, i was just curious about other options.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What i still miss:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - LPC21ISP: I've downloaded and compiled version 1.48, but it
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > supports my LPC2368
> > > > > > (I know this is a little off-topic here, but maybe somebody can
> > > > > > confirm a version working). Any other solution for ISP on linux?
> > > > > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > > > > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> > > > >
> > > > > And this is also terminal program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Albert
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as
> depicted on the
> > > > documentation).
> > > > This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
> > > >
> > > > Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> > > > Baud rate set to 115200
> > > > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > > >
> > > > Entering Bootloader Mode
> > > > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > > > Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
> > > >
> > > > Download Canceled:
> > > > Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> > > > have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> > > > Please contact paul@ Please include an exact copy
> > > > of this message and any info about the chip and other
> > > > hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same results with lpc2isp (v1.48), my LPC2368 isn't supported.
> > > >
> > > > Any other tools?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for helping anyway :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Start a New Thread

2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko

> Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 16:33 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> > 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
> [...]
> > > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> > >
> > > And this is also terminal program.
> > >
> > > Albert
> > >
> >
> > I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as depicted on the
> > documentation).
> > This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
> >
> > Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> > Baud rate set to 115200
> > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> >
> > Entering Bootloader Mode
> > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
> >
> > Download Canceled:
> > Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
> >
> > Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> > have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> > Please contact p...@pjrc.com. Please include an exact copy
> > of this message and any info about the chip and other
> > hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
> >
> Hmm... it works with my 2364 without problems.
>
> Maybe is worth to try change id_string in chip_info[] table (file
> chipinfo.c) to chip ID, and recompile the program?
It works!, as you suggested, i've changed the chip id at "chipinfo.c"

it was:

{"LPC2368 (500k)", "100924197", 0x40000200, 0x1000, 27, lpc2138_layout,
boot_23xx},

so i've changed it to match my uC chip id, just like this:

{"LPC2368 (500k)", "369162533", 0x40000200, 0x1000, 27, lpc2138_layout,
boot_23xx},

Now it works fine, i'm able to upload new programs to the uC.

Maybe this is a bug on the lpc2k_pgm, i'm going to send an e-mail to the
author.

Start a New Thread

Jorge S. wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Foltos > > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > for the tool-chain try http://www.gnuarm. org/.
> gnuarm.com and .org has
> > different content. .org seems to be more up to date.
> > The official homepage of gcc (gcc.gnu.org) does not list an official arm
> > package maintainer. This means both "gnuarm.com" (registered by Richard
> > Collins) and "gnuarm.org" (registered by embedded.cl) has unofficial
> > binary packages.
> > So if you want to be sure get the latest source from gcc.gnu.org and
> > compile for yourself. (This is not a simple task. Also you need to
> > compile the standard library. You have several options here (newlib,
> > ucLibc, etc).)
> > Wow! I didn't noticed the difference between .COM and .ORG, thanks for
> warning.
>
> The site gnuarm.ORG points to a codesourcery toolchain. What about this
> one? Any thoughts on this one?
>
> And about the libs, newlib seems to be the most used, any recommendations
> here?
>
Some toolchains are for people that are either challenged by a keyboard
(mouse intensive like eclipse) or operating system (Yagarto / Cygwin).
For myself, I run a gcc cross-compiler on the native Linux platform, and
I built my own. After wandering the net for weeks, I became very
frustrated with all the different "ready to use" toolchains that didn't
seem to fit what I needed. So, after some study, I built my own:
http://www.openhardware.net/Embedded_ARM/Toolchain/

The toolchain is a bit dated, but gcc-4.0.2 works fine for me on the
LPC2106, LPC2138 and LPC2214 chips. As to a library, if you intend upon
building a commercial app and don't want to distribute your source, then
look at newlib. newlib is, for the most part, BSD-style of licenses. I
would not use uClibc as it is a GPL (LGPL?) license which is more
restrictive. The glibc is too bloated for embedded work.

If you are comfortable with editing files using a keyboard and have
worked with makefiles before, then I suggest you look into building your
own toolchain. Then, at least, you know what you have and have the
control to upgrade / downgrade versions of various parts of it.

If you are in love with the mouse and need to impress people with your
development environment, then go with eclipse.

Personally, I find that a mouse slows me down.

TomW
--
Tom Walsh - WN3L - Embedded Systems Consultant
http://openhardware.net http://cyberiansoftware.com http://openzipit.org
"Windows? No thanks, I have work to do..."
----------------

Start a New Thread

Hallo
Hope you are a member of this group
look under the files for a catalog named LPC21ISP
There you find the latest version 1.60 of the program.
I have not tested it, because I only run windows
and i run LPC2378 thus i cant ensure that it work
with LPC2368, but its propably worth a try.

Regards
/Martin

--- In l..., "Jorge S." wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:25 PM, per_martin_l wrote:
>
> > --- In l... ,
"Jorge S."
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
> > >
> > > > Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 11:20 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> > > > > Hi all:
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all, sorry about my poor english (I'm spanish).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just starting with ARM7 and i own a LPC2368 evaluation
board.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've several questions to the group.Since i'm using linux
> > (ubuntu) on
> > > > > my
> > > > > desktop computer i would like to keep it as
> > > > > my development OS but its not a "must". I can switch to
windows if
> > > > > linux is
> > > > > not well supported.
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Is there anybody here using Linux and developing for the
LPC23xx?
> > > > > Can you point
> > > > > me to some "clear" tutorial on how to build a development
enviroment
> > > > > for
> > > > > the LPC23xx uCs?
> > > > >
> > > > > What i have working so far:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Toolchain: Downloaded from GNUARM.com. Is this the good one?
> > > > > - Eclipse: There are several tutorials/how-tos for
> > linux/windows. Any
> > > > > better setup?
> > > > >
> > > > If it works - why better? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it works, i was just curious about other options.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What i still miss:
> > > > >
> > > > > - LPC21ISP: I've downloaded and compiled version 1.48, but it
> > doesn't
> > > > > supports my LPC2368
> > > > > (I know this is a little off-topic here, but maybe somebody can
> > > > > confirm a version working). Any other solution for ISP on linux?
> > > > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > > > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> > > >
> > > > And this is also terminal program.
> > > >
> > > > Albert
> > > >
> > >
> > > I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as
depicted on the
> > > documentation).
> > > This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
> > >
> > > Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> > > Baud rate set to 115200
> > > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > >
> > > Entering Bootloader Mode
> > > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > > Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
> > >
> > > Download Canceled:
> > > Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
> > >
> > > Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> > > have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> > > Please contact paul@ Please include an exact copy
> > > of this message and any info about the chip and other
> > > hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Same results with lpc2isp (v1.48), my LPC2368 isn't supported.
> > >
> > > Any other tools?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for helping anyway :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Start a New Thread

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:25 PM, per_martin_l wrote:

> --- In l... , "Jorge S."
> wrote:
> >
> > 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
> >
> > > Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 11:20 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> > > > Hi all:
> > > >
> > > > First of all, sorry about my poor english (I'm spanish).
> > > >
> > > > I'm just starting with ARM7 and i own a LPC2368 evaluation board.
> > > >
> > > > I've several questions to the group.Since i'm using linux
> (ubuntu) on
> > > > my
> > > > desktop computer i would like to keep it as
> > > > my development OS but its not a "must". I can switch to windows if
> > > > linux is
> > > > not well supported.
> > > >
> > > > Questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Is there anybody here using Linux and developing for the LPC23xx?
> > > > Can you point
> > > > me to some "clear" tutorial on how to build a development enviroment
> > > > for
> > > > the LPC23xx uCs?
> > > >
> > > > What i have working so far:
> > > >
> > > > - Toolchain: Downloaded from GNUARM.com. Is this the good one?
> > > > - Eclipse: There are several tutorials/how-tos for
> linux/windows. Any
> > > > better setup?
> > > >
> > > If it works - why better? ;-)
> >
> >
> > Yes it works, i was just curious about other options.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What i still miss:
> > > >
> > > > - LPC21ISP: I've downloaded and compiled version 1.48, but it
> doesn't
> > > > supports my LPC2368
> > > > (I know this is a little off-topic here, but maybe somebody can
> > > > confirm a version working). Any other solution for ISP on linux?
> > > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> > >
> > > And this is also terminal program.
> > >
> > > Albert
> > >
> >
> > I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as depicted on the
> > documentation).
> > This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
> >
> > Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> > Baud rate set to 115200
> > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> >
> > Entering Bootloader Mode
> > Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> > Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
> >
> > Download Canceled:
> > Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
> >
> > Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> > have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> > Please contact paul@... Please include an exact copy
> > of this message and any info about the chip and other
> > hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
> >
> >
> > Same results with lpc2isp (v1.48), my LPC2368 isn't supported.
> >
> > Any other tools?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for helping anyway :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Start a New Thread

Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 16:33 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
[...]
> > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> >
> > And this is also terminal program.
> >
> > Albert
> > I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as depicted on the
> documentation).
> This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
>
> Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> Baud rate set to 115200
> Reset CPU (into bootloader)
>
> Entering Bootloader Mode
> Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
>
> Download Canceled:
> Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
>
> Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> Please contact p...@pjrc.com. Please include an exact copy
> of this message and any info about the chip and other
> hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
>
Hmm... it works with my 2364 without problems.

Maybe is worth to try change id_string in chip_info[] table (file
chipinfo.c) to chip ID, and recompile the program?

Albert
Start a New Thread

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Foltos wrote:

> Hi,
>
> for the tool-chain try http://www.gnuarm.org/. gnuarm.com and .org has
> different content. .org seems to be more up to date.
> The official homepage of gcc (gcc.gnu.org) does not list an official arm
> package maintainer. This means both "gnuarm.com" (registered by Richard
> Collins) and "gnuarm.org" (registered by embedded.cl) has unofficial
> binary packages.
> So if you want to be sure get the latest source from gcc.gnu.org and
> compile for yourself. (This is not a simple task. Also you need to
> compile the standard library. You have several options here (newlib,
> ucLibc, etc).)
>

Wow! I didn't noticed the difference between .COM and .ORG, thanks for
warning.

The site gnuarm.ORG points to a codesourcery toolchain. What about this
one? Any thoughts on this one?

And about the libs, newlib seems to be the most used, any recommendations
here?

Thanks for helping :)

.
>

Start a New Thread

Hi,

for the tool-chain try http://www.gnuarm.org/. gnuarm.com and .org has
different content. .org seems to be more up to date.
The official homepage of gcc (gcc.gnu.org) does not list an official arm
package maintainer. This means both "gnuarm.com" (registered by Richard
Collins) and "gnuarm.org" (registered by embedded.cl) has unofficial
binary packages.
So if you want to be sure get the latest source from gcc.gnu.org and
compile for yourself. (This is not a simple task. Also you need to
compile the standard library. You have several options here (newlib,
ucLibc, etc).)

Foltos

Jorge S. wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> First of all, sorry about my poor english (I'm spanish).
>
> I'm just starting with ARM7 and i own a LPC2368 evaluation board.
>
> I've several questions to the group.Since i'm using linux (ubuntu) on my
> desktop computer i would like to keep it as
> my development OS but its not a "must". I can switch to windows if linux is
> not well supported.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Is there anybody here using Linux and developing for the LPC23xx?
> Can you point
> me to some "clear" tutorial on how to build a development enviroment for
> the LPC23xx uCs?
>
> What i have working so far:
>
> - Toolchain: Downloaded from GNUARM.com. Is this the good one?
> - Eclipse: There are several tutorials/how-tos for linux/windows. Any
> better setup?
>
> What i still miss:
>
> - LPC21ISP: I've downloaded and compiled version 1.48, but it doesn't
> supports my LPC2368
> (I know this is a little off-topic here, but maybe somebody can
> confirm a version working). Any other solution for ISP on linux?
>
> - LPC23xx CFG files for OPENOCD: I also own an Amontec JTAGTiny
> interface, but its difficult to
> find properly working CFG files. Any help here?
> Any general recommendation here? what is people using in linux?
> Eclipse+openOCD? Any other setup?
>
> 2) I came from the AVR world (ATMegas), where there are lots of
> libraries for the peripherals and
> some other general purpose tools (Register calculators, Delay
> routines, etc)
>
> - Are there any "must-have" libraries or tools that you use? I've
> only found "PLL-Calculator".
> I see lots of spare examples but not a complete guide, different .s
> and .h files so its kinda
> hard to know which one is the best option.
> Regards,
>
> Jorge.
>
> Start a New Thread

--- In l..., "Jorge S." wrote:
>
> 2008/9/10 Albert Bartoszko
>
> > Dnia 2008-09-10, ro o godzinie 11:20 +0200, Jorge S. pisze:
> > > Hi all:
> > >
> > > First of all, sorry about my poor english (I'm spanish).
> > >
> > > I'm just starting with ARM7 and i own a LPC2368 evaluation board.
> > >
> > > I've several questions to the group.Since i'm using linux
(ubuntu) on
> > > my
> > > desktop computer i would like to keep it as
> > > my development OS but its not a "must". I can switch to windows if
> > > linux is
> > > not well supported.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1) Is there anybody here using Linux and developing for the LPC23xx?
> > > Can you point
> > > me to some "clear" tutorial on how to build a development enviroment
> > > for
> > > the LPC23xx uCs?
> > >
> > > What i have working so far:
> > >
> > > - Toolchain: Downloaded from GNUARM.com. Is this the good one?
> > > - Eclipse: There are several tutorials/how-tos for
linux/windows. Any
> > > better setup?
> > >
> > If it works - why better? ;-)
>
>
> Yes it works, i was just curious about other options.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > What i still miss:
> > >
> > > - LPC21ISP: I've downloaded and compiled version 1.48, but it
doesn't
> > > supports my LPC2368
> > > (I know this is a little off-topic here, but maybe somebody can
> > > confirm a version working). Any other solution for ISP on linux?
> > lpc2k_pgm works fine for me:
> > http://www.pjrc.com/arm/lpc2k_pgm
> >
> > And this is also terminal program.
> >
> > Albert
> >
>
> I know lpc2k_pgm, but it doesn't supports my LPC2368 (as depicted on the
> documentation).
> This is a copy+paste of the console when running lpc2k_pgm:
>
> Port "/dev/ttyUSB0" opened at 9600 baud
> Baud rate set to 115200
> Reset CPU (into bootloader)
>
> Entering Bootloader Mode
> Reset CPU (into bootloader)
> Attempting baud sync......................Baud sync sucessful
>
> Download Canceled:
> Unknown chip ID: "369162533".
>
> Perhaps you have a new Philips LPC chip which does not
> have its ID string and sector map defined in this program?
> Please contact paul@... Please include an exact copy
> of this message and any info about the chip and other
> hardware you may be using. Thanks :-)
>
>
> Same results with lpc2isp (v1.48), my LPC2368 isn't supported.
>
> Any other tools?
>
>
> Thanks for helping anyway :)
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