vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> Mark McDougall wrote:
> > vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't
> > > get our product updated to a newer CPU!)
> >
> > You're still maintaining a product that's around 18 years old!?! That's
> > impressive! Do tell! ...
> >
> > > I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> > > don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> > > Ideas, anyone? -Dave Pollum
> >
> > As another posted replied, you shouldn't have any problems building
> > GCC-6809 under cygwin on windoze. I do know that it has successfully
> > been done (or at least documented on a web site) with a patched version
> > of GCC-6809 for the TRS-80 CoCo...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
>
> Mark,
> Actually, earlier versions of the hardware (a 6809-based board that
> handles government communications protocols) go back to the mid 80's.
> I designed most of that hardware.  When it was redesigned as an ISA
> card (by another company, in 1991), I argued for a "better" CPU, such
> as a 68K.  I was overruled, because the "powers that be" demanded
> minimal software changes, and because they didn't think the project
> would last more than 5 years.  Recently, the board has been redesigned
> as a PCI card, and it _still_ uses a 6809 CPU, again for software
> compatibilty.  I heard that our PCI version may be around until 2010 or
> even 2015!  I'm working with the company that designed the PCI version,
> fixing their snafus, writing firmware, and learning about VHDL and
> CPLDs.  So I'm having a good time, except for "fighting" with the
> compiler from time to time.  I've also written all of the firmware, and
> I'm currently working on writing high and low-level hardware
> diagnostics.

Well it wouldn't solve your software development issues, but if you
want new hardware that runs the same old software, why not look at an
emulator. There was a pretty good 6809 emulator released in 1995 that
lets you play the original robotron hex code on a PC. The emulator does
a very faithful job of recreating a 2Mhz 6809 system with a custom
video display on a slow 100 Mhz Intel Pentium.

And an emulator (once it was working) could make debugging a snap.

Mark

vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:

> Tom wrote:
> > vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> > > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> > > our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> > > compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> > > internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
> > >  It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> > > problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> > > apparently up for sale.
> >
> > We have some old DOS software that we need to run , it crashed a lot in
> > Win98 and would not run at all in 2K or XP. We've used MS Virtual PC to
> > create a virtual DOS machine and that solved our problems. You can also
> > try VMWare.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Thanks for the info about MS Virtual PC and VMWARE.  We're using a PC
> running MS-DOS 6.2, the SemWare editor (advanced version of Q-edit),
> and the Introl 6809 C compiler suite v3.05.  The compiler runs OK in a
> Win2K DOS box, but the batch files behave a bit differently under
> Win2K's DOS.
> -Dave Pollum

That is to be expected.  Some of the DOS functions are really COM or EXE files.

They can be copied to the newer PC.  Other commands are different, but you can
get to work.

Hans wrote:
> You might also want to have a look at the BCC compiler (under Cygwin/Linux)
> which also supports the 6809, see
> http://oarizo.com/mod.php?mod=content&page=downloads
>
> I remember using Flex on an Elector (Electuur magazine) 6809 system......
> those were the days :-)
>
> Hans
> www.ht-lab.com
>
> <vze24h5m@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1130451318.928732.212050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> > our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> > compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> > internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
> > It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> > problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> > apparently up for sale.
> >
> > I've looked into Dunfield's 6809 C compiler, but it doesn't handle
> > enums or typedefs.  "typedef" is used a lot because our 6809 system
> > passes LAN traffic to PC code written in Turbo Pascal, and it is
> > important that the C data structures and types match the Pascal records
> > and types.
> >
> > I've found a URL to GCC-6809, but as far as I can tell, it only runs
> > under Linux.  It would make things much easier for us if it would run
> > under DOS or Win-2K.  I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> > don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> > -Dave Pollum
> >
Thanks for the URL, Hans.  I'll download that and see what its like.  I
also wrote Dave Dunfield, regarding his product's lack of support for
"enum" and "typedef".  His response regarding missuse of "typedef" gave
me something to think about, so I've also downloaded a demo version
from him.  Now all I need some time to play with, um, evalute the 6809
C compilers.

You might also want to have a look at the BCC compiler (under Cygwin/Linux) 
which also supports the 6809, see 
http://oarizo.com/mod.php?mod=content&page=downloads

I remember using Flex on an Elector (Electuur magazine) 6809 system...... 
those were the days :-)

Hans
www.ht-lab.com

<vze24h5m@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:1130451318.928732.212050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
> It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> apparently up for sale.
>
> I've looked into Dunfield's 6809 C compiler, but it doesn't handle
> enums or typedefs.  "typedef" is used a lot because our 6809 system
> passes LAN traffic to PC code written in Turbo Pascal, and it is
> important that the C data structures and types match the Pascal records
> and types.
>
> I've found a URL to GCC-6809, but as far as I can tell, it only runs
> under Linux.  It would make things much easier for us if it would run
> under DOS or Win-2K.  I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
> -Dave Pollum
> 

Mark McDougall wrote:
> vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't
> > get our product updated to a newer CPU!)
>
> You're still maintaining a product that's around 18 years old!?! That's
> impressive! Do tell! ...
>
> > I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> > don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> > Ideas, anyone? -Dave Pollum
>
> As another posted replied, you shouldn't have any problems building
> GCC-6809 under cygwin on windoze. I do know that it has successfully
> been done (or at least documented on a web site) with a patched version
> of GCC-6809 for the TRS-80 CoCo...
>
> Regards,
> Mark

Mark,
Actually, earlier versions of the hardware (a 6809-based board that
handles government communications protocols) go back to the mid 80's.
I designed most of that hardware.  When it was redesigned as an ISA
card (by another company, in 1991), I argued for a "better" CPU, such
as a 68K.  I was overruled, because the "powers that be" demanded
minimal software changes, and because they didn't think the project
would last more than 5 years.  Recently, the board has been redesigned
as a PCI card, and it _still_ uses a 6809 CPU, again for software
compatibilty.  I heard that our PCI version may be around until 2010 or
even 2015!  I'm working with the company that designed the PCI version,
fixing their snafus, writing firmware, and learning about VHDL and
CPLDs.  So I'm having a good time, except for "fighting" with the
compiler from time to time.  I've also written all of the firmware, and
I'm currently working on writing high and low-level hardware
diagnostics.

Richard Pennington wrote:
> vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> > our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> > compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> > internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
> >  It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> > problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> > apparently up for sale.
>
> Which version are you running? 3.?
> What DOS/Windows version are you using?
>
> It's kind of unfair to criticize an 18 year old product for not
> running properly under a (presumably) new version of an OS.
>
> It you have a need to get going again, I can probably give you a hand.
>
> -Rich
>
> >
> > I've looked into Dunfield's 6809 C compiler, but it doesn't handle
> > enums or typedefs.  "typedef" is used a lot because our 6809 system
> > passes LAN traffic to PC code written in Turbo Pascal, and it is
> > important that the C data structures and types match the Pascal records
> > and types.
> >
> > I've found a URL to GCC-6809, but as far as I can tell, it only runs
> > under Linux.  It would make things much easier for us if it would run
> > under DOS or Win-2K.  I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> > don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> > -Dave Pollum
>
> --
> Richard Pennington
> Email: rich@pennware.com
> http://www.pennware.com ftp://ftp.pennware.com

Richard - we're using a PC running MS-DOS 6.2 and Introl C, v3.02.  I
am able to work around the compiler problems, but it takes time.
Apparently, I'm pushing the compiler too hard.  But I guess it's
holding up well for being an 18 year old product.  
-Dave Pollum

Tom wrote:
> vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> > We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> > runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> > maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> > our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> > compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> > internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
> >  It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> > problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> > apparently up for sale.
>
> We have some old DOS software that we need to run , it crashed a lot in
> Win98 and would not run at all in 2K or XP. We've used MS Virtual PC to
> create a virtual DOS machine and that solved our problems. You can also
> try VMWare.
>
> Tom

Thanks for the info about MS Virtual PC and VMWARE.  We're using a PC
running MS-DOS 6.2, the SemWare editor (advanced version of Q-edit),
and the Introl 6809 C compiler suite v3.05.  The compiler runs OK in a
Win2K DOS box, but the batch files behave a bit differently under
Win2K's DOS.
-Dave Pollum

David Brooks wrote:
> You should be able to use Cygwin (provides a *nix-like shell under
> Windows), & re-compile GCC-6809 under that.
>
> vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> [snip]
> > I've found a URL to GCC-6809, but as far as I can tell, it only runs
> > under Linux.  It would make things much easier for us if it would run
> > under DOS or Win-2K.  I know practically nothing about Linux, so I
> > don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> > -Dave Pollum
> >
Thanks, Dave, for suggesting Cygwin.  I sorta thought there was
something like that, but I wasn't sure.  "..use Cygwin & re-compile
GCC-6809 under that".  I also have a copy of DJ Delorie's DJGPP
compiler suite, which runs in a Win2K DOS box.  Would that be of any
use for this?

-Dave Pollum

vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:

> We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that 
> runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to 
> maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't
> get our product updated to a newer CPU!)  

You're still maintaining a product that's around 18 years old!?! That's 
impressive! Do tell! ...

> I know practically nothing about Linux, so I 
> don't know if there is a way to run GCC-6809 under Win2K.
> Ideas, anyone? -Dave Pollum

As another posted replied, you shouldn't have any problems building 
GCC-6809 under cygwin on windoze. I do know that it has successfully 
been done (or at least documented on a web site) with a patched version 
of GCC-6809 for the TRS-80 CoCo...

Regards,
Mark

vze24h5m@verizon.net wrote:
> We are currently using an 18 year old version (3.x) of Introl-C that
> runs under DOS.  A 6809 C compiler (+assembler,etc) is needed to
> maintain and update code for our 6809-based card.  (And NO, I can't get
> our product updated to a newer CPU!)  I've run into a number of
> compiler crashes.  Sometimes the compiler complains that it has an
> internal error, and sometimes it hangs the PC and I'm forced to reboot!
>  It's taken me 1/2 a day or so to work around some of the compiler
> problems.  Apparently Introl doesn't exist anymore.  Their web URL is
> apparently up for sale.

We have some old DOS software that we need to run , it crashed a lot in 
Win98 and would not run at all in 2K or XP. We've used MS Virtual PC to 
create a virtual DOS machine and that solved our problems. You can also 
try VMWare.

Tom