Reply by onestone August 28, 20032003-08-28
Jonathan Kirwan wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:08:35 +0930, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi Jon, you're really lucky, us antipodean dwellers get largely ignored,

>>not even a sniff of a possible course.
> 
> 
> That's sad because I've met and talked with some most excellent
> people over there and plenty of quality activity going on there.
> There's certainly no business cause I can think of.  Makes me
> mad.
> 
> 
>>I don't really want the course,
> 
> 
> Hehe.  Completely agree.  You'd learn ZIP from the course.
> 
> 
>>just the tools, and the chips at cut price,
> 
> 
> Yes.  They also gave me a secret code for a discount price on
> the FET140 tool ($49) which I'm sure anyone could use, but
> nothing for ordering one of those D169 boards.  (Should I post
> the code here?)  I haven't checked Softbaugh, but do they sell
> them to your area yet?
> 
> 
>>perhaps I should ditch the MSP430 altogether and switch to
>>something more ANZAC friendly.
> 
> 
> I feel the frustration you're expressing.  I'd be upset, too.
> Just seemed like TI is international enough to have gotten all
> this right.  Maybe the problem is that the MSP430 group is
> depending too much on 3rd parties to leverage their growth, or
> upon 3rd parties who aren't as international as TI is and thus
> it brings the whole thing down to that lowest common
> denominator.
> 
> What *is* ANZAC friendly, by the way?

ANZAC was the term given to the Australia New Zealand Army Corps, in 
WW1, most treateis aetc between the two nations are now referred to as 
ANZAC. As well as the ANZACs being a sourc of extreme National pride 
here, the term is now commonly used when referring to the two nations 
together. Very few manufacturers of anything are actually ANZAC 
friendly, we tend to be viewed as an insignificant market, so cop the 
left overs at premium prices

>>When the courses finally do get to us they'll
be regular price
>>anyway going by past performance.
> 
> 
> I'd have imagined that TI would have been easily able to work
> out the logistics of working with disty partners or others in
> Australia.  Heck, their partners would do the real work for
> them, I'd guess.  Should be mostly just a matter of passing on
> their plans for the US, to give a leg up.

Courses are usually run by the Disties, but the last one on the MSP430 
(the first one, when it was nearly new) I effectively conducted. At that 
time I'd been playing with the parts from their preproduction days. Here 
the disties used to be first rate for service. Some still are OK by 
current standards, but the locAl companies that used to handle the 
bigger accounts, like Ti, Moto etc have all been eaten by Arrow, Avnet, 
and other offshore monsters. This has gemnerally been for the worst. 
They've stripped them down to bare minimum staff, instituted huge MOQ's, 
and rarely if ever hold stock of anything. They used to have quite cluey 
FAEs, but, for the most part these were lost in the name of the god 
excess profit. There are good guys out there, and it's very much staff 
dependant. For years Avnet were great, responsive and supportive, even 
though they'd been stripped to just one guy and his receptionist/ jack 
of all trades. At the same time Arrow were just the opposite, didn't 
show for meetings, had to be constantly chased for data, etc, then Avnet 
employed two guys from Arrow, Arrow moved their old FAE guy to sales. 
The new people at Avnet were blind deaf and dumb, while the new guy at 
Arrow has been really great. Future Electronics is a nightmare since it 
arrived here, but I think they're Asia based. Anyway I and several 
others have placed orders for Lumiled LUX V modules, the first nearly a 
year ago. Still haven't seen any.

Al




Beginning Microcontrollers with the MSP430

Reply by Jonathan Kirwan August 28, 20032003-08-28
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:08:35 +0930, you wrote:

>Hi Jon, you're really lucky, us antipodean dwellers
get largely ignored, 
>not even a sniff of a possible course.

That's sad because I've met and talked with some most excellent
people over there and plenty of quality activity going on there.
There's certainly no business cause I can think of.  Makes me
mad.

>I don't really want the course,

Hehe.  Completely agree.  You'd learn ZIP from the course.

>just the tools, and the chips at cut price,

Yes.  They also gave me a secret code for a discount price on
the FET140 tool ($49) which I'm sure anyone could use, but
nothing for ordering one of those D169 boards.  (Should I post
the code here?)  I haven't checked Softbaugh, but do they sell
them to your area yet?

>perhaps I should ditch the MSP430 altogether and
switch to
>something more ANZAC friendly.

I feel the frustration you're expressing.  I'd be upset, too.
Just seemed like TI is international enough to have gotten all
this right.  Maybe the problem is that the MSP430 group is
depending too much on 3rd parties to leverage their growth, or
upon 3rd parties who aren't as international as TI is and thus
it brings the whole thing down to that lowest common
denominator.

What *is* ANZAC friendly, by the way?

>When the courses finally do get to us they'll be
regular price
>anyway going by past performance.

I'd have imagined that TI would have been easily able to work
out the logistics of working with disty partners or others in
Australia.  Heck, their partners would do the real work for
them, I'd guess.  Should be mostly just a matter of passing on
their plans for the US, to give a leg up.

Jon


>Al
>
>Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:08:58 +0930, you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Softbaugh have an evaluation board for the 169. It is currently
sampling 
>>>in limited numbers. It has not been fully released yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, I actually received one of those boards (D169, I think) a
>> couple of weeks ago through a TI 'class' on the product line.
>> Had to send out for the little JFPC adapter.  Unluckily,
>> Softbaugh was charging some US$10 for it.  Luckily, TI had just
>> (the week before) arranged to provide it for free.  And it
>> arrived in short order.
>> 
>> Jon
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Reply by onestone August 28, 20032003-08-28
Hi Jon, you're really lucky, us antipodean dwellers get largely ignored, 
not even a sniff of a possible course. I don't really want the course, 
just the tools, and the chips at cut price, perhaps I should ditch the 
MSP430 altogether and switch to something more ANZAC friendly. When the 
courses finally do get to us they'll be regular price anyway going by 
past performance.

Al

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:08:58 +0930, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>Softbaugh have an evaluation board for the 169. It is currently sampling

>>in limited numbers. It has not been fully released yet.
> 
> 
> Yes, I actually received one of those boards (D169, I think) a
> couple of weeks ago through a TI 'class' on the product line.
> Had to send out for the little JFPC adapter.  Unluckily,
> Softbaugh was charging some US$10 for it.  Luckily, TI had just
> (the week before) arranged to provide it for free.  And it
> arrived in short order.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Reply by Jonathan Kirwan August 28, 20032003-08-28
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:08:58 +0930, you wrote:

>Softbaugh have an evaluation board for the 169. It
is currently sampling 
>in limited numbers. It has not been fully released yet.

Yes, I actually received one of those boards (D169, I think) a
couple of weeks ago through a TI 'class' on the product line.
Had to send out for the little JFPC adapter.  Unluckily,
Softbaugh was charging some US$10 for it.  Luckily, TI had just
(the week before) arranged to provide it for free.  And it
arrived in short order.

Jon


Reply by onestone August 28, 20032003-08-28
Softbaugh have an evaluation board for the 169. It is currently sampling 
in limited numbers. It has not been fully released yet.

Al

Venkateswarlu Palle wrote:

> Dear onestone 
> i want to know whether msp430f169 released or not. but i don't think it has
released. i did not find development tool cost/ chip cost details from website.
> please clarrify my doubt
>  
> Venkat
> 
> mjruley <mjriley@mjri...> wrote:
> We use the AT25256 EEPROM part with the SPI interface. This is 32Kx8. 
> The MSP430F169 which is sampling now has an I2C option on one of the 
> uart ports.
> --- In msp430@msp4..., "deepak" <kuldeepakasha@y...> wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>   Thanks for your help In fact I was looking fo EEPROM with an SPI 
>>interface as MSP has an SPI module.
>>   For storing data in the flash a complete segment has to be 
> 
> emoved 
> 
>>how do you tackle this.I want to store some process variables which 
>>maybe altered one at a time.
>>    how do you tackle this problem of altering one or two variables 
>>without deleting the complete flash segment.
>>
>>Deepak
>>
>>
>>--- In msp430@msp4..., onestone <onestone@b...> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Deepak. You can easily attach an external serial memory to the 
>>>MSP430. I do it all the time. You can use IIC, or SPI. Memory 
> 
> sizes 
> 
>>>range from 1k bits to 64Mbits. The 64Mbit version has a parallel 
>>
>>port 
>>
>>>option.
>>>
>>>However, since the MSP430 is flashed based, and is able to write 
> 
> to 
> 
>>its 
>>
>>>own flash memory, using it as a data store. If you only need a 
>>
>>lowish 
>>
>>>amount of data storage you can use the built in flash. I do this 
>>
>>for 
>>
>>>data logging all the time.
>>>
>>>tell us a little bit more about your applicati0on and we'll be 
> 
> able 
> 
>>to 
>>
>>>help you further.
>>>
>>>Al
>>>
>>>deepak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>  I am looking for a 16 bit flash mcu with JTAG support and an 
>>
>>eeprom 
>>
>>>>for non volatile data.
>>>>   I want to now whether an external EEPROM can be interfaced 
>>
>>with 
>>
>>>>MSP430f149.
>>>>   Please help
>>>>
>>>>regards
>>>>Deepak Kukreja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Reply by Venkateswarlu Palle August 28, 20032003-08-28
Dear onestone 
i want to know whether msp430f169 released or not. but i don't think it has
released. i did not find development tool cost/ chip cost details from website.
please clarrify my doubt
 
Venkat

mjruley <mjriley@mjri...> wrote:
We use the AT25256 EEPROM part with the SPI interface. This is 32Kx8. 
The MSP430F169 which is sampling now has an I2C option on one of the 
uart ports.
--- In msp430@msp4..., "deepak" <kuldeepakasha@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>    Thanks for your help In fact I was looking fo EEPROM with an SPI 
> interface as MSP has an SPI module.
>    For storing data in the flash a complete segment has to be 
emoved 
> how do you tackle this.I want to store some
process variables which 
> maybe altered one at a time.
>     how do you tackle this problem of altering one or two variables 
> without deleting the complete flash segment.
> 
> Deepak
> 
> 
> --- In msp430@msp4..., onestone <onestone@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Deepak. You can easily attach an external serial memory to the 
> > MSP430. I do it all the time. You can use IIC, or SPI. Memory 
sizes 
> > range from 1k bits to 64Mbits. The 64Mbit
version has a parallel 
> port 
> > option.
> > 
> > However, since the MSP430 is flashed based, and is able to write 
to 
> its 
> > own flash memory, using it as a data store. If you only need a 
> lowish 
> > amount of data storage you can use the built in flash. I do this 
> for 
> > data logging all the time.
> > 
> > tell us a little bit more about your applicati0on and we'll be 
able 
> to 
> > help you further.
> > 
> > Al
> > 
> > deepak wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >   I am looking for a 16 bit flash mcu with JTAG support and an 
> eeprom 
> > > for non volatile data.
> > >    I want to now whether an external EEPROM can be interfaced 
> with 
> > > MSP430f149.
> > >    Please help
> > > 
> > > regards
> > > Deepak Kukreja
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > .
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >




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Reply by onestone August 27, 20032003-08-27
There are many ways to do this. It really depends on how often you want 
to change the variables, and how much spare memory you have. If you 
change them frequently, like at least once a day I would use the what I 
call the creep method. IF you update them less frequently you can use a 
variation of this. The creep method works like this:-

Allocate 1 segment per variable. In your software store the default 
value for each variable in a table. Since the flash of the 149 is all 
erased when you first program it  you can store these at the start of 
their segment.  When you need to change a variable you simply write to 
the next free (contents = -1) location. To overcome the problem of 
writing a -1 use a pre-or postfix value in the next location. At start 
up you simply scan each segment to retrieve the latest value. If the 
segment is full erase it and start over again. The second method 
allocates one segment for all variables and when one changes the entire 
block is written to the next available block of free memory. Remember 
that the MSP flash can be sequentially written, so an erased segment can 
be written one byte ata  time at any time. In fact you could even write 
1 bit at a time.

The Atmel data flash is SPI, so are flash parts fro ST, Microchip and 
many others.

deepak wrote:

> Hi,
>    Thanks for your help In fact I was looking fo EEPROM with an SPI 
> interface as MSP has an SPI module.
>    For storing data in the flash a complete segment has to be emoved 
> how do you tackle this.I want to store some process variables which 
> maybe altered one at a time.
>     how do you tackle this problem of altering one or two variables 
> without deleting the complete flash segment.
> 
> Deepak
> 
> 
> --- In msp430@msp4..., onestone <onestone@b...> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Deepak. You can easily attach an external serial memory to the 
>>MSP430. I do it all the time. You can use IIC, or SPI. Memory sizes 
>>range from 1k bits to 64Mbits. The 64Mbit version has a parallel 
> 
> port 
> 
>>option.
>>
>>However, since the MSP430 is flashed based, and is able to write to 
> 
> its 
> 
>>own flash memory, using it as a data store. If you only need a 
> 
> lowish 
> 
>>amount of data storage you can use the built in flash. I do this 
> 
> for 
> 
>>data logging all the time.
>>
>>tell us a little bit more about your applicati0on and we'll be able 
> 
> to 
> 
>>help you further.
>>
>>Al
>>
>>deepak wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>  I am looking for a 16 bit flash mcu with JTAG support and an 
> 
> eeprom 
> 
>>>for non volatile data.
>>>   I want to now whether an external EEPROM can be interfaced 
> 
> with 
> 
>>>MSP430f149.
>>>   Please help
>>>
>>>regards
>>>Deepak Kukreja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> 
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> 
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Reply by mjruley August 27, 20032003-08-27
We use the AT25256 EEPROM part with the SPI interface. This is 32Kx8. 
The MSP430F169 which is sampling now has an I2C option on one of the 
uart ports.
--- In msp430@msp4..., "deepak" <kuldeepakasha@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>    Thanks for your help In fact I was looking fo EEPROM with an SPI 
> interface as MSP has an SPI module.
>    For storing data in the flash a complete segment has to be 
emoved 
> how do you tackle this.I want to store some
process variables which 
> maybe altered one at a time.
>     how do you tackle this problem of altering one or two variables 
> without deleting the complete flash segment.
> 
> Deepak
> 
> 
> --- In msp430@msp4..., onestone <onestone@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Deepak. You can easily attach an external serial memory to the 
> > MSP430. I do it all the time. You can use IIC, or SPI. Memory 
sizes 
> > range from 1k bits to 64Mbits. The 64Mbit
version has a parallel 
> port 
> > option.
> > 
> > However, since the MSP430 is flashed based, and is able to write 
to 
> its 
> > own flash memory, using it as a data store. If you only need a 
> lowish 
> > amount of data storage you can use the built in flash. I do this 
> for 
> > data logging all the time.
> > 
> > tell us a little bit more about your applicati0on and we'll be 
able 
> to 
> > help you further.
> > 
> > Al
> > 
> > deepak wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >   I am looking for a 16 bit flash mcu with JTAG support and an 
> eeprom 
> > > for non volatile data.
> > >    I want to now whether an external EEPROM can be interfaced 
> with 
> > > MSP430f149.
> > >    Please help
> > > 
> > > regards
> > > Deepak Kukreja
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > .
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >


Reply by deepak August 27, 20032003-08-27
Hi,
   Thanks for your help In fact I was looking fo EEPROM with an SPI 
interface as MSP has an SPI module.
   For storing data in the flash a complete segment has to be emoved 
how do you tackle this.I want to store some process variables which 
maybe altered one at a time.
    how do you tackle this problem of altering one or two variables 
without deleting the complete flash segment.

Deepak


--- In msp430@msp4..., onestone <onestone@b...> wrote:
> Hi Deepak. You can easily attach an external
serial memory to the 
> MSP430. I do it all the time. You can use IIC, or SPI. Memory sizes 
> range from 1k bits to 64Mbits. The 64Mbit version has a parallel 
port 
> option.
> 
> However, since the MSP430 is flashed based, and is able to write to 
its 
> own flash memory, using it as a data store. If you
only need a 
lowish 
> amount of data storage you can use the built in
flash. I do this 
for 
> data logging all the time.
> 
> tell us a little bit more about your applicati0on and we'll be able 
to 
> help you further.
> 
> Al
> 
> deepak wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >   I am looking for a 16 bit flash mcu with JTAG support and an 
eeprom 
> > for non volatile data.
> >    I want to now whether an external EEPROM can be interfaced 
with 
> > MSP430f149.
> >    Please help
> > 
> > regards
> > Deepak Kukreja
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > .
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> >


Reply by deepak August 27, 20032003-08-27
Thanks a lot chistian.I too saw the appl. note,its for intefacing an 
i2c eepom for that i will have to simulate the two wire i2c potocol 
on MSP, are ou aware of eeproms that use SPI inteface instead,since 
MSP has inbuilt SPI module.
 
Thanks once again



--- In msp430@msp4..., Christian Epp <entwicklung@b...> wrote:
> Hi again
> 
> I found the app. note:
> 
> http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slaa115/slaa115.pdf
> 
> Bye
> Christian
> 
> 
> 
>