Very nice.  Thanks.

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"Neil Kurzman" <nsk@mail.asb.com> wrote in message 
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>
>
> bit eimer wrote:
>
>> "Neil Kurzman" <nsk@mail.asb.com> wrote in message
>> news:41959027.D3073ABD@mail.asb.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > tony wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
>> >> PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
>> >> USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
>> >> RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
>> >> -Tony
>> >
>> > The simplest way is the get an FDTI chip.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for this tip.  When I looked it up, I found that its only 
>> available
>> as an SMD (32 LQFP).   How do hobbiest people typically deal with that? 
>> WW
>> sockets?
>>
>> Is there a source for LQFP-to-wirewrap sockets?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> --
>> ...The Bit Eimer     NAR 84054
>> "My goal in life is to be the kind of person my cat thinks he is"
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>
> Look at http://www.dlpdesign.com/
> They have the chip and USB connector on a board.
> About $30 I think.  You can also get it from Mouser.
>
> 

bit eimer wrote:

> "Neil Kurzman" <nsk@mail.asb.com> wrote in message
> news:41959027.D3073ABD@mail.asb.com...
> >
> >
> > tony wrote:
> >
> >> Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
> >> PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
> >> USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
> >> RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
> >> -Tony
> >
> > The simplest way is the get an FDTI chip.
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for this tip.  When I looked it up, I found that its only available
> as an SMD (32 LQFP).   How do hobbiest people typically deal with that?  WW
> sockets?
>
> Is there a source for LQFP-to-wirewrap sockets?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> ...The Bit Eimer     NAR 84054
> "My goal in life is to be the kind of person my cat thinks he is"
> [remove keinewurst and reverse letters in domain to email me]
> --------------------------------------------------------------

Look at http://www.dlpdesign.com/
They have the chip and USB connector on a board.
About $30 I think.  You can also get it from Mouser.

"Neil Kurzman" <nsk@mail.asb.com> wrote in message 
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>
>
> tony wrote:
>
>> Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
>> PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
>> USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
>> RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
>> -Tony
>
> The simplest way is the get an FDTI chip.
>
>


Thanks for this tip.  When I looked it up, I found that its only available 
as an SMD (32 LQFP).   How do hobbiest people typically deal with that?  WW 
sockets?

Is there a source for LQFP-to-wirewrap sockets?

TIA,

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:21:35 +0100, "Ulf Samuelsson"
<ulf@atmel.nospam.com> wrote:
>http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB/IgorPlug-USB%20(AVR)_eng.htm
>
>Not 100% USB compatible, but it is pure S/W and appears to work
>It uses an AVR though!

Wow, that is pretty awesome. His site is not too clear, but he claims
100% compatibility with Low speed usb. What is not compatible?

It has got to be pretty tough running at 12 Mips to bit bang 1.5Mbit
per second USB, which requires differential signaling AND bit
stuffing. The processor would have 8 instructions per bit. The maximum
packet size is 8, so the max number of bits is 8 (sync) 8 (data0/1)
and 8*8 data bytes plus 16 bits crc. So worst case it is 96 bits of
transfer plus bitstuffing which could worst case add 16 bits to a
total of 112 bits. This has to be sent without gaps in 75
microseconds.

I haven't looked at his code, and I don't know the avr, but maybe an
inline chunk of code could do that? I bet he does have some problems
in meeting spec for the ACK packet which has to follow reception of a
data packet in a few bit times. Especially if he checks the crc. When
I get some time I'll look at his code, but it still is an achievement
with that slow a processor.

Regards, Steve

>
> tony wrote:
> > hamilton <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote in message
news:<419562ef$1_2@omega.dimensional.com>...
> >
> >>There are NO pins on the F877 that would be compatible with USB.
> >>There is NO software solution for this hardware problem.
> >>
> >>( where do these people come from ??? )
> >>
> >>tony wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
> >>>PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
> >>>USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
> >>>RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
> >>>-Tony
> >
> >
> > hamilton: OK, thats what i was wondering...thats why i asked.  No need
> > to be all pissy about it.


"hamilton" <hamilton@deminsional.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:4196b41f$1_3@omega.dimensional.com...
> Hi Tony,
>
> In groups like these, it is good netiquette to at least look on the
> manuals before just asking question that would have been obvious if you
> spent any time at all.
>
> It is obvious that you never even tried.
>
> I enjoy helping a student or fellow engineer with simple and difficult
> problems. But this was just dumb.
>
> I hope something was learned.
>
> I could have just said "dumb a**" and just let you figure it out yourself.
>
> hamilton




http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB/IgorPlug-USB%20(AVR)_eng.htm

Not 100% USB compatible, but it is pure S/W and appears to work
It uses an AVR though!


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Hi Tony,

	In groups like these, it is good netiquette to at least look on the 
manuals before just asking question that would have been obvious if you 
spent any time at all.

It is obvious that you never even tried.

I enjoy helping a student or fellow engineer with simple and difficult 
problems. But this was just dumb.

I hope something was learned.

I could have just said "dumb a**" and just let you figure it out yourself.

hamilton

tony wrote:
> hamilton <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote in message news:<419562ef$1_2@omega.dimensional.com>...
> 
>>There are NO pins on the F877 that would be compatible with USB.
>>There is NO software solution for this hardware problem.
>>
>>( where do these people come from ??? )
>>
>>tony wrote:
>>
>>>Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
>>>PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
>>>USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
>>>RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
>>>-Tony
> 
> 
> hamilton: OK, thats what i was wondering...thats why i asked.  No need
> to be all pissy about it.

hamilton <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote in message news:<419562ef$1_2@omega.dimensional.com>...
> There are NO pins on the F877 that would be compatible with USB.
> There is NO software solution for this hardware problem.
> 
> ( where do these people come from ??? )
> 
> tony wrote:
> > Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
> > PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
> > USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
> > RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
> > -Tony

hamilton: OK, thats what i was wondering...thats why i asked.  No need
to be all pissy about it.

hamilton <hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote :

> ( where do these people come from ??? )

From USA ? No wonder USA outsource every little bit to India.

Pozdrawiam.
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"tony" <tdusek@engineering.uiowa.edu> wrote in message 
news:6a901086.0411121339.c52b185@posting.google.com...
> Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
> PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
> USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
> RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
> -Tony


Do you mean how to communicate with a pc ?

You could use the pics usart via rs232 and use a usb to rs232 adaptor
to talk to the pc or as someone else suggested ftdi usb to rs232 chip

You could talk with usb via a bit banging routine but
would be very slow and not really worth the effort.
Better to use a usb pic like 16c745 or 16c765
or
18f4550 / 4455/2550/2455
pics supposedly available in december
http://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=111&mid=10&lang=en&pageId=74

Alex 

tony wrote:

> Hello embedded systems gurus ;)  I have a general question about the
> PICF877.  I was wondering if there is a way  to interface it with mini
> USB through software, meaning i dont wanna have to buy a mini-USB to
> RS232 adapter.  Thanks in advance
> -Tony

The simplest way is the get an FDTI chip.