"Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote in message
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>
> No need to wait, the parts are sampling and there is a development board
as
> well..

Well, if they're sampled right now, who will guarantee I can run production
in 4 weeks (we have very short development times in our small company :-)) ?

Meindert

> After my post I remembered an e-mail I recently received from our
> local distributor: 3.16 euro for the AT91SAM7S32 and 4.57 euro for the
> AT91SAM7S64, both in 100 units. So that's a good and cheap solution.
>
> > If you can fit the latch in your design, why complain?
>
> Well, I can fit it in, but the routing requires as much extra board space
as
> required by the latch and SRAM. And it leaves me no room for expansion of
> the design.

So having it integrated is worth some money then :-)

> But these new ARM mcu's are just the solution I was looking for.
> The moment they're available here in the Netherlands, I'll design them in.
>

No need to wait, the parts are sampling and there is a development board as
well..

> Regards,
> Meindert

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"Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@atmel.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> 3,20 Euro * 1,3 = = $4,16.
> Might work for the AT91SAM7S64 w 16 kB.

I know. After my post I remembered an e-mail I recently received from our
local distributor: 3.16 euro for the AT91SAM7S32 and 4.57 euro for the
AT91SAM7S64, both in 100 units. So that's a good and cheap solution.

> If you can fit the latch in your design, why complain?

Well, I can fit it in, but the routing requires as much extra board space as
required by the latch and SRAM. And it leaves me no room for expansion of
the design. But these new ARM mcu's are just the solution I was looking for.
The moment they're available here in the Netherlands, I'll design them in.

Regards,
Meindert

> > It is not longer a good idea to use "Many mainstream  microcontrollers"
> in
> > applications requiring
> > medium sized SRAMs, since the 0,18u and lower embedded flash processes
> > allows
> > you to cost effectively integrate 32-64 kB of SRAM.
> > The AT91SAM7S series will be available in
> > 32kF+8kR,64kF+16kR, 128kF+�32kR, 256kF+64kR etc.
> > Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to
be
> > fixed to 128kB in most parts.
>
> Let me see: my application requires appr. 6000-8000 units/year.
> The Mega162 costs me 2.35 euro, the latch appr. 0.10 euro and the SRAM
0,75
> euro. That adds up to 3.20 euro. I haven't had an offer for an ARM type
> controller for that price yet.
>
> Meindert
>


3,20 Euro * 1,3 = = $4,16.
Might work for the AT91SAM7S64 w 16 kB.
If you can fit the latch in your design, why complain?

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This is a personal view which may or may not be
share by my Employer Atmel Nordic AB

Hi Ulf,

> The AT91SAM7S series will be available in
> 32kF+8kR,64kF+16kR, 128kF+�32kR, 256kF+64kR etc.

Just so you know, we are looking very hard at these parts in our
migration away from horrible legacy 8-bit micros. I'm trying to get
managerial permission to port one or two simple projects to ARM in
order to pave the way for other projects.

> Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to be

We hate Philips :)

> With low cost ARM toolsets around the corner it is maybe time to to move on

Is there something new coming out soon? If you want to forward me any
info, you know my email address...

"R Adsett" <radsett@junk.aeolusdevelopment.cm> wrote in message
news:etudndHdM7NplAfcRVn-uA@rogers.com...
> In article <10pjbr7dnuh3pbc@corp.supernews.com>,
> mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl says...
> > "Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote in message
> > news:2vsp89F2pqsrqU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to
be
> > > fixed to 128kB in most parts.
> >
> > I read the datasheet briefly and I vaguely rember a post in this ng
about
> > it: does the LPC have no form of code protection?
> >
> Yes and no.  The 2104, 2105 and 2106 variants to not.  AFAIK the rest do.

I wonder how Philips is going to get some market share with this.....

Meindert

In article <10pjbr7dnuh3pbc@corp.supernews.com>, 
mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl says...
> "Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote in message
> news:2vsp89F2pqsrqU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to be
> > fixed to 128kB in most parts.
> 
> I read the datasheet briefly and I vaguely rember a post in this ng about
> it: does the LPC have no form of code protection?
> 
Yes and no.  The 2104, 2105 and 2106 variants to not.  AFAIK the rest do.

Robert

"Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote in message
news:2vsp89F2pqsrqU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to be
> fixed to 128kB in most parts.

I read the datasheet briefly and I vaguely rember a post in this ng about
it: does the LPC have no form of code protection?

Meindert

"Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@NOSPAMatmel.com> wrote in message
news:2vsp89F2pqsrqU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> It is not longer a good idea to use "Many mainstream  microcontrollers"
in
> applications requiring
> medium sized SRAMs, since the 0,18u and lower embedded flash processes
> allows
> you to cost effectively integrate 32-64 kB of SRAM.
> The AT91SAM7S series will be available in
> 32kF+8kR,64kF+16kR, 128kF+&#4294967295;32kR, 256kF+64kR etc.
> Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to be
> fixed to 128kB in most parts.

Let me see: my application requires appr. 6000-8000 units/year.
The Mega162 costs me 2.35 euro, the latch appr. 0.10 euro and the SRAM 0,75
euro. That adds up to 3.20 euro. I haven't had an offer for an ARM type
controller for that price yet.

Meindert

"Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> skrev i meddelandet
news:10p97p7j06kbf68@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi all,
>
> Many mainstream microcontrollers have an external multiplexed memory bus.
> They all require a latch to connect an SRAM chip. One would expect there
> would be a manufacturer who sells SRAMs in 8k or 32kbyte size with a bus
> that connects glueless to these micro's but I cannot find such a device.
Do
> they exist?
>
> Meindert
>

It is not longer a good idea to use "Many mainstream  microcontrollers"  in
applications requiring
medium sized SRAMs, since the 0,18u and lower embedded flash processes
allows
you to cost effectively integrate 32-64 kB of SRAM.
The AT91SAM7S series will be available in
32kF+8kR,64kF+16kR, 128kF+&#4294967295;32kR, 256kF+64kR etc.
Philips LPC has similar combinations, although the flash size seems to be
fixed to 128kB in most parts.

With low cost ARM toolsets around the corner it is maybe time to to move on
guys :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Ulf at atmel dot com
These comments are intended to be my own opinion and they
may, or may not be shared by my employer, Atmel Sweden.