If they pass the course, and get a job, they will fail the job, get
fired, and realize that you cant go successfully thru life cheating.
________________________________
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
Of Bob
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:13 PM
To: m...
Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see
scroll by for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing, but
I did have nearly two decades experience as a successful systems
engineer. I assumed it was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as
possible, all of which I believe facilitates the learning process.
Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held back until I'd done my own
homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity on the part of these
students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are the
exception...
Bob
--- In m... , Hugo
Brunert wrote: >
> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works,
> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
> modifications.
>
> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL grade. >
> ________________________________
>
> From: m... [mailto:m... ] On
Behalf > Of old_cow_yellow
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>
> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>
> --- In m... , paul > Johnston wrote:
> >
> > Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> > That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
> medical or robotics application?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
>
(for the newbies: promotion to the level of incompetency)
________________________________
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
Of Onestone
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:30 PM
To: m...
Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
Not always. I've met plenty who somehow get into a job, fudge their way
through, and somehow keep good engineers down while they get away with
murder. Of course most of them end up being relegated to sales :-P .
trouble is in this ass backwards world they usually make more money than
indentured slaves sorry, engineers do.
Al
On 27/07/2011 3:46 AM, Hugo Brunert wrote: > If they pass the course, and get a job, they will
fail the job, get
> fired, and realize that you cant go successfully thru life cheating.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: m... [mailto:m... ] On
Behalf > Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:13 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
> As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see
> scroll by for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing, but > I did have nearly two decades experience as a
successful systems
> engineer. I assumed it was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as
> possible, all of which I believe facilitates the learning process.
> Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held back until I'd done my own > homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity on
the part of these
> students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are the
> exception...
>
> Bob
>
> --- In m... , Hugo > Brunert wrote:
>> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works, >> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted
AS IS without any
>> modifications.
>>
>> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL
> grade.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: m...
> [mailto:m... ] On > Behalf
>> Of old_cow_yellow
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
>> To: m...
>> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in
msp430fg4618.
>>
>> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
>> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>>
>> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>>
>> --- In m...
> , paul
>> Johnston wrote:
>>> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
>>> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
>> medical or robotics application?
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Reply by Onestone●July 26, 20112011-07-26
Not always. I've met plenty who somehow get into a job, fudge their way
through, and somehow keep good engineers down while they get away with
murder. Of course most of them end up being relegated to sales :-P .
trouble is in this ass backwards world they usually make more money than
indentured slaves sorry, engineers do.
Al
On 27/07/2011 3:46 AM, Hugo Brunert wrote: > If they pass the course, and get a job, they will
fail the job, get
> fired, and realize that you cant go successfully thru life cheating.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
> Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:13 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
> As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see
> scroll by for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing, but
> I did have nearly two decades experience as a successful systems
> engineer. I assumed it was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as
> possible, all of which I believe facilitates the learning process.
> Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held back until I'd done my
own
> homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity on the part of these
> students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are the
> exception...
>
> Bob
>
> --- In m... , Hugo
> Brunert wrote:
>> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works,
>> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
>> modifications.
>>
>> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL
> grade.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: m...
> [mailto:m... ] On
> Behalf
>> Of old_cow_yellow
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
>> To: m...
>> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>>
>> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
>> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>>
>> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>>
>> --- In m...
> , paul
>> Johnston wrote:
>>> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
>>> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
>> medical or robotics application?
>>> Have a great day!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Reply by paul Johnston●July 26, 20112011-07-26
Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some medical or
robotics application?
Have a great day!
Reply by Bob●July 26, 20112011-07-26
As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see scroll by
for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing, but I did have
nearly two decades experience as a successful systems engineer. I assumed it
was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as possible, all of which I believe
facilitates the learning process. Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held
back until I'd done my own homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity
on the part of these students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are
the exception...
Bob
--- In m..., Hugo Brunert wrote: >
> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works,
> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
> modifications.
>
> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL grade.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
> Of old_cow_yellow
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
>
>
>
>
> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>
> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>
> --- In m... , paul
> Johnston wrote:
> >
> > Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> > That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
> medical or robotics application?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
>
Reply by "Jake G."●July 26, 20112011-07-26
Every message group needs its trolls, and to tell you the truth these
are some of the easiest to deal with!
Jake G.
On 7/26/2011 11:42 AM, Hugo Brunert wrote: >
> Also the Peter principle applies.
>
> (for the newbies: promotion to the level of incompetency)
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: m...
> [mailto:m... ] On
> Behalf
> Of Onestone
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:30 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
> Not always. I've met plenty who somehow get into a job, fudge their
way
> through, and somehow keep good engineers down while they get away with
> murder. Of course most of them end up being relegated to sales :-P .
> trouble is in this ass backwards world they usually make more money than
>
> indentured slaves sorry, engineers do.
>
> Al
>
> On 27/07/2011 3:46 AM, Hugo Brunert wrote:
> > If they pass the course, and get a job, they will fail the job, get
> > fired, and realize that you cant go successfully thru life cheating.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: m...
>
> [mailto:m...
> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Bob
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:13 PM
> > To: m...
>
> > Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see
> > scroll by for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing,
> but
> > I did have nearly two decades experience as a successful systems
> > engineer. I assumed it was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as
> > possible, all of which I believe facilitates the learning process.
> > Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held back until I'd done my
> own
> > homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity on the part of these
> > students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are the
> > exception...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In m...
>
> , Hugo
> > Brunert wrote:
> >> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that
> works,
> >> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
> >> modifications.
> >>
> >> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL
> > grade.
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: m...
>
>
> > [mailto:m...
>
> ] On
> > Behalf
> >> Of old_cow_yellow
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
> >> To: m...
>
>
> >> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
> >> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
> >>
> >> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
> >>
> >> --- In m...
>
>
> > , paul
> >> Johnston wrote:
> >>> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> >>> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
> >> medical or robotics application?
> >>> Have a great day!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
Reply by Onestone●July 26, 20112011-07-26
That's easy. Every program I ship has my name, DoB, army number and
British National Insurance number embedded into it, but encrypted, and
it is real working code. Better than copyright declarations in the
source. I've been doing that for years.
Al
On 27/07/2011 2:57 AM, Hugo Brunert wrote: > The professors should put on the internet a sample
program that works,
> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
> modifications.
>
> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL grade.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
> Of old_cow_yellow
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
>
> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>
> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>
> --- In m... , paul
> Johnston wrote:
>> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
>> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
> medical or robotics application?
>> Have a great day!
>>
>
>
>
Reply by Hugo Brunert●July 26, 20112011-07-26
And they will become used car salesmen, or politicians.
________________________________
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
Of Hugo Brunert
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:16 PM
To: m...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
If they pass the course, and get a job, they will fail the job, get
fired, and realize that you cant go successfully thru life cheating.
________________________________
From: m...
[mailto:m... ] On
Behalf
Of Bob
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:13 PM
To: m...
Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
As a newbie here myself, I have to marvel at all the requests I see
scroll by for "do my work." At this point, my profession is Nursing, but
I did have nearly two decades experience as a successful systems
engineer. I assumed it was my job to read, lurk, experiment as much as
possible, all of which I believe facilitates the learning process.
Questions were, hopefully, succinct, and held back until I'd done my own
homework/research. I find the lack of curiosity on the part of these
students somewhat distressing. I certainly hope they are the
exception...
Bob
--- In m...
, Hugo
Brunert wrote: >
> The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works,
> but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
> modifications.
>
> If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL grade. >
> ________________________________
>
> From: m...
[mailto:m...
] On
Behalf > Of old_cow_yellow
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in
msp430fg4618.
>
> The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
> Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
>
> It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
>
> --- In m...
, paul > Johnston wrote:
> >
> > Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> > That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some
> medical or robotics application?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
>
Reply by Hugo Brunert●July 26, 20112011-07-26
The professors should put on the internet a sample program that works,
but has some "hidden" indication that it was lifted AS IS without any
modifications.
If the students turn in the AS IS version, they should get a FAIL grade.
________________________________
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
Of old_cow_yellow
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:36 PM
To: m...
Subject: [msp430] Re: newbie here. help needed in msp430fg4618.
The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase
Energy Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
--- In m... , paul
Johnston wrote: >
> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some medical or robotics application? >
> Have a great day!
>
Reply by old_cow_yellow●July 26, 20112011-07-26
The assignment can be "light a LED". It can also be "Make a 3-phase Energy
Meter" (or "Pulsoximeter").
It does not matter. The solution is the same: "Send me the code"
--- In m..., paul Johnston wrote: >
> Your final year project isn't just to light the LED, is it?
> That must be to test the waters - what is the ultimate goal, some medical or
robotics application?
>
> Have a great day!
>
