Reply by Grant Edwards June 9, 20062006-06-09
On 2006-06-09, Eric <englere.geo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, gmane still can't eliminate the general suckage >> of yahoo groups. :/ > > Try the adblock plugin for FireFox.
I'm using slrn to read the list/group via an NNTP server. The suckage I'm referring to is the constant thread breakage and thread hijacking combined with a lot of very clueless posters asking stunningly vague, off-topic questions. Many of the people posting to the group appear to have absolutely no software or microprocessor-related background and need help with very basic C language features and things as simple as how to edit a text file.
> Once you train it about which URLs > to block it works quite well to remove the ads from Yahoo and most > other sites. TIP: use wildcards off the root URL: > http://ads.garbage.com/* > > Adblock is like TiVo in that regard - I can't live without either one >:-)
Tivo? Bah. MythTV rules! -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hand me a pair of at leather pants and a CASIO visi.com keyboard -- I'm living for today!
Reply by Eric June 8, 20062006-06-08
> Unfortunately, gmane still can't eliminate the general suckage > of yahoo groups. :/
Try the adblock plugin for FireFox. Once you train it about which URLs to block it works quite well to remove the ads from Yahoo and most other sites. TIP: use wildcards off the root URL: http://ads.garbage.com/* Adblock is like TiVo in that regard - I can't live without either one :-) Eric
Reply by CBFalconer June 8, 20062006-06-08
Matthew Kendall wrote:
> "Eric" <englere.geo@yahoo.com> wrote... > >> There's a yahoo group that's quite active: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msp430/ > > You can also find this group mirrored on the NNTP server news.gmane.org > as gmane.comp.hardware.texas-instruments.msp430.discuss if you prefer > reading with a newsreader rather than a web interface.
Yes, that is much more convenient. Thanks. -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- G. W. Bush. "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." --Hermann Goering.
Reply by Grant Edwards June 8, 20062006-06-08
On 2006-06-08, Matthew Kendall <mdkendall@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> There's a yahoo group that's quite active: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msp430/
There's also an mspgcc mailing list.
> You can also find this group mirrored on the NNTP server > news.gmane.org
Which is also available via gmane (which, IMO, is the only acceptible way to do participate in mailing lists).
> as gmane.comp.hardware.texas-instruments.msp430.discuss if you > prefer reading with a newsreader rather than a web interface.
Unfortunately, gmane still can't eliminate the general suckage of yahoo groups. :/ -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Did you move a lot at of KOREAN STEAK KNIVES this visi.com trip, Dingy?
Reply by Matthew Kendall June 7, 20062006-06-07
"Eric" <englere.geo@yahoo.com> wrote...
> There's a yahoo group that's quite active: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msp430/
You can also find this group mirrored on the NNTP server news.gmane.org as gmane.comp.hardware.texas-instruments.msp430.discuss if you prefer reading with a newsreader rather than a web interface.
Reply by CBFalconer June 7, 20062006-06-07
Eric wrote:
> CBFalconer wrote: > >> that will work with it? Even better would be functionality on >> Linux. > > The people who made mspgcc are working on a linux driver to support the > USB JTAG devices used by TI. This is a closed proprietary interface, > but TI lets them write confined closed source code for the driver > portion, and the rest can be open. They already have a driver like this > for Windows and it lets you use gdb. > > There's a yahoo group that's quite active: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msp430/ >
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> > My favorite msp430 is the msp430f1611, with 48K of flash and 10K of > RAM. They have some more advanced chips coming soon with even more > memory.
Now that is more like it. One can do an awful lot with such a component, and it should also be quite suitable for development of things to run on smaller configurations. It would be nice to have 32k of RAM with the 48k flash, and a register to set the demarcation point, with the total available being a constant 64k. There could even be provision for using the (up to 16k) shadowed flash as initialization for the RAM. -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- G. W. Bush. "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." --Hermann Goering.
Reply by Jonathan Kirwan June 7, 20062006-06-07
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:18:12 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2006-06-07, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> I found the data sheet. It appears to have 2KB + 256B Flash >>> Memory, 128B RAM. Now the question is only whether the software >>> will run on W98FE or possibly W98SE, or Linux. >> >> What you mean by "the software". Are you asking us what's on >> the CD you got? IIRC, it's IAR kickstart and/or TI CCE >> size-limited IDEs+toolchain. They won't run on Linux. >> >> GCC targetted for MSP430 works find on linux. The Linux >> support for that particular USB debugger (it's some 2-wire >> scheme) interface is in progress, but isn't working yet. The >> Linux interfaces to the "normal" MSP430 JTAG interfaces for >> older MSP430 chips work fine. >> >>> I am disappointed it has so little memory, I won't be anywhere >>> near what I had hoped to develop for it. At worst I have >>> wasted $10. But one would think they could include the data >>> sheet on the CDROM. >> >> Are you sure it's not there? I would have sworn the datasheet >> along with complete schematics were on the CD. >> >> Have you looked on the TI website? > >That's where I found the data sheet. I couldn't find it on the CD, >the closest thing is the MSP4302xx family users guide. > >I am in no rush. I can wait for the Linux debuggery to be >available. Since TI make the module in two parts (the processor >and the debug interface) you would also think they would make >larger processor portions available. I also don't see an assembler >yet, but I haven't really looked.
The code for the larger processor probably won't be easily available. It would include the debugging support code that works with the JTAG of the target and that information is currently only available to those TI wants to discuss it with for their own business reasons. Giving it out would, in effect, disclose information they are currently working rather hard to keep controlled. Jon
Reply by Grant Edwards June 7, 20062006-06-07
On 2006-06-07, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am in no rush. I can wait for the Linux debuggery to be > available. Since TI make the module in two parts (the > processor and the debug interface) you would also think they > would make larger processor portions available.
The USB half of the widget will talk to any MSP430 processor that uses the 2-wire "spy-by-wire" pseudo-JTAG interface. I don't know that TI is going to ship anything that plugs directly into the EZ-whatsit, but TI showed video of somebody debugging a different proto board by using clip-leads beatween the proto board and the EZ-whatsit.
> I also don't see an assembler yet, but I haven't really > looked.
I've never used anything except GCC+binutils and the parallel-port to "normal" JTAG interface under Linux, but I've heard a lot of bad things about TI's CodeComposer. I guess IAR is OK if one wants a MS-Windows GUI IDE. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Life is selling at REVOLUTIONARY HAIR visi.com PRODUCTS!
Reply by CBFalconer June 7, 20062006-06-07
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-07, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I found the data sheet. It appears to have 2KB + 256B Flash >> Memory, 128B RAM. Now the question is only whether the software >> will run on W98FE or possibly W98SE, or Linux. > > What you mean by "the software". Are you asking us what's on > the CD you got? IIRC, it's IAR kickstart and/or TI CCE > size-limited IDEs+toolchain. They won't run on Linux. > > GCC targetted for MSP430 works find on linux. The Linux > support for that particular USB debugger (it's some 2-wire > scheme) interface is in progress, but isn't working yet. The > Linux interfaces to the "normal" MSP430 JTAG interfaces for > older MSP430 chips work fine. > >> I am disappointed it has so little memory, I won't be anywhere >> near what I had hoped to develop for it. At worst I have >> wasted $10. But one would think they could include the data >> sheet on the CDROM. > > Are you sure it's not there? I would have sworn the datasheet > along with complete schematics were on the CD. > > Have you looked on the TI website?
That's where I found the data sheet. I couldn't find it on the CD, the closest thing is the MSP4302xx family users guide. I am in no rush. I can wait for the Linux debuggery to be available. Since TI make the module in two parts (the processor and the debug interface) you would also think they would make larger processor portions available. I also don't see an assembler yet, but I haven't really looked. -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- G. W. Bush. "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." --Hermann Goering.
Reply by David Brown June 7, 20062006-06-07
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-07, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I found the data sheet. It appears to have 2KB + 256B Flash >> Memory, 128B RAM. Now the question is only whether the software >> will run on W98FE or possibly W98SE, or Linux. > > What you mean by "the software". Are you asking us what's on > the CD you got? IIRC, it's IAR kickstart and/or TI CCE > size-limited IDEs+toolchain. They won't run on Linux. > > GCC targetted for MSP430 works find on linux. The Linux > support for that particular USB debugger (it's some 2-wire > scheme) interface is in progress, but isn't working yet. The > Linux interfaces to the "normal" MSP430 JTAG interfaces for > older MSP430 chips work fine. >
I think it's only the parallel port JTAG dongle that works fine under Linux at the moment ($10 from Olimex). There are at least two USB JTAG dongles that work under Windows (from TI, and from Olimex), but I don't think they're working under Linux yet. I don't know about the 2-wire debugging at the moment. So for Linux (or Win98), the easiest and cheapest setup is a parallel port JTAG debugger (with gcc and friends).
>> I am disappointed it has so little memory, I won't be anywhere >> near what I had hoped to develop for it. At worst I have >> wasted $10. But one would think they could include the data >> sheet on the CDROM. > > Are you sure it's not there? I would have sworn the datasheet > along with complete schematics were on the CD. > > Have you looked on the TI website? >