Hello Boki,

>>
>>>>That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let user
>>>>can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
>>>>
>>>>Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live
>>>dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to
>>>play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that
>>>comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then
>>>jumps to the application.
>>>
>>>Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone
>>>has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or
>>>whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
>>>
>>
>>Or look at the respective MSP430 app note from TI about the boot loader
>>to study how it's done and what kinds of safety interlocks are there.
>>The MSP430 comes with a boot loader.
>>
> 
> Thanks, MSP430 seems a very good MCU, I went the MSP430 product seminar
> on 2004/09, but never go to detail.
> 

Check out the new EZ430 kit. Very nice, cheap and it comes with the 
F2013, IMHO the best deal among the new F2xx family chips. You can pry 
open the USB stick, detach the target board and use the stick as a SBW 
programmer.


> Until last two week, a relative came and asked me to help about his
> graduate project.
> 
> I saw that MCU can do sigma-delta AD, wow... my thesis is 1-V
> sigma-delta AD, three years ago.
> 

Well, that kind of gives your age away ;-)

The F2013 contains a 16bit converter. Slow but has differential inputs, 
muxing and all. Nice. I hope the prices come down a little more so I can 
use them in designs that I am doing analog/mixed right now. The really 
good news is you can get them in DIP packages. This is essential for 
extremely low cost devices where you have to use a single-sided phenolic 
board.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

David L. Jones =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Boki wrote:
> > Tim Wescott =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> >
> > > Boki wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let =
user
> > > > can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
> > > >
> > > > Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Boki.
> > > >
> > > Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live
> > > dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to
> > > play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that
> > > comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then
> > > jumps to the application.
> > >
> > > Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that some=
one
> > > has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or
> > > whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Tim Wescott
> > > Wescott Design Services
> > > http://www.wescottdesign.com
> > >
> > > Posting from Google?  See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
> > >
> > > "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
> > > See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
> >
> > Ya, I know this way ( boot loader concept ), and I have implemented one
> > called DFU - device firmware upgrade for a famous brand product. (
> > don't need any CSR *.DLL support so, it can use for most embedded
> > systems ; )    )
> >
> > Back to question, I wonder that freescale HC08 MCU supports boot loader
> > also ? and what kind of interface..
>
> Google is your friend, first hit with "hc08 bootloader":
> http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/app_note/AN2295.pdf
>
> Dave :)


Thank you very much! I think that is what I need. : D

Best regards,
Boki.

Joerg =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Hello Tim,
>
> >>
> >> That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let user
> >> can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
> >>
> >> Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
> >>
> > Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live
> > dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to
> > play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that
> > comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then
> > jumps to the application.
> >
> > Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone
> > has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or
> > whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
> >
>
> Or look at the respective MSP430 app note from TI about the boot loader
> to study how it's done and what kinds of safety interlocks are there.
> The MSP430 comes with a boot loader.
>
> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com

Thanks, MSP430 seems a very good MCU, I went the MSP430 product seminar
on 2004/09, but never go to detail.

Until last two week, a relative came and asked me to help about his
graduate project.

I saw that MCU can do sigma-delta AD, wow... my thesis is 1-V
sigma-delta AD, three years ago.

Best regards,
Boki.

Boki wrote:
> Tim Wescott =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>
> > Boki wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let us=
er
> > > can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
> > >
> > > Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Boki.
> > >
> > Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live
> > dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to
> > play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that
> > comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then
> > jumps to the application.
> >
> > Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone
> > has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or
> > whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Tim Wescott
> > Wescott Design Services
> > http://www.wescottdesign.com
> >
> > Posting from Google?  See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
> >
> > "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
> > See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
>
> Ya, I know this way ( boot loader concept ), and I have implemented one
> called DFU - device firmware upgrade for a famous brand product. (
> don't need any CSR *.DLL support so, it can use for most embedded
> systems ; )    )
>
> Back to question, I wonder that freescale HC08 MCU supports boot loader
> also ? and what kind of interface..

Google is your friend, first hit with "hc08 bootloader":
http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/app_note/AN2295.pdf

Dave :)

Tim Wescott =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Boki wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let user
> > can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
> >
> > Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Boki.
> >
> Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live
> dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to
> play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that
> comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then
> jumps to the application.
>
> Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone
> has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or
> whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
>
> --
>
> Tim Wescott
> Wescott Design Services
> http://www.wescottdesign.com
>
> Posting from Google?  See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
>
> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
> See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Ya, I know this way ( boot loader concept ), and I have implemented one
called DFU - device firmware upgrade for a famous brand product. (
don't need any CSR *.DLL support so, it can use for most embedded
systems ; )    )

Back to question, I wonder that freescale HC08 MCU supports boot loader
also ? and what kind of interface..

Best regards,
Boki.

Hello Tim,

>>
>> That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let user
>> can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
>>
>> Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
>>
> Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live 
> dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to 
> play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that 
> comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then 
> jumps to the application.
> 
> Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone 
> has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or 
> whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.
> 

Or look at the respective MSP430 app note from TI about the boot loader 
to study how it's done and what kinds of safety interlocks are there. 
The MSP430 comes with a boot loader.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Boki wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> That MCU in my circuit, after product housing, I still want to let user
> can upgrade the MCU firmware through USB...
> 
> Any commnet? My main chip is a Bluetooth chip.
> 
> Best regards,
> Boki.
> 
Normally this is done through a boot loader.  If you like to live 
dangerously you build one into your application code.  If you want to 
play it _really_ safe you have an entirely separate application that 
comes up first, checks to see if it's supposed to load anything, then 
jumps to the application.

Google for 'boot load' or 'application download'.  I'm sure that someone 
has written an article for this in Embedded Systems Programming or 
whatever they call themselves now.  http://www.embedded.com.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google?  See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html