> Roman wrote:
>> PIC16 - Get PIC16F876 (DIP28 0.3") or PIC16F877 (DIP40)
>
> I agree with Neil, get the A revisions of the chips, i.e. PIC16F876A /
> PIC16F877A.
>
> Roman
>
You may want to check-out also new micros 16F886 and 16F887. They just
released them last month and are supposed to be successors to above
chips. Have all resources that 16F876A and 16F877A have and are cheaper too.
Reply by James Beck●December 19, 20062006-12-19
In article <uh8fo2p41o659cebnef7lqd4cqumv9uhh3@4ax.com>,
will_get_back_to_you_on_This@b.c says...
> On 18 Dec 2006 07:26:19 -0800, "me47@dipmicro.com" <me47@dipmicro.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Roman wrote:
> >> PIC16 - Get PIC16F876 (DIP28 0.3") or PIC16F877 (DIP40)
> >
> >I agree with Neil, get the A revisions of the chips, i.e. PIC16F876A /
> >PIC16F877A.
> >
> >Roman
>
> Isn't the A revision of the 876/877 just a die shrunk version?
>
No.
I know they added some comparitors.
Reply by The Real Andy●December 19, 20062006-12-19
On 18 Dec 2006 07:26:19 -0800, "me47@dipmicro.com" <me47@dipmicro.com>
wrote:
>
>Roman wrote:
>> PIC16 - Get PIC16F876 (DIP28 0.3") or PIC16F877 (DIP40)
>
>I agree with Neil, get the A revisions of the chips, i.e. PIC16F876A /
>PIC16F877A.
>
>Roman
Isn't the A revision of the 876/877 just a die shrunk version?
Reply by me47...@dipmicro.com●December 18, 20062006-12-18
Roman wrote:
> PIC16 - Get PIC16F876 (DIP28 0.3") or PIC16F877 (DIP40)
I agree with Neil, get the A revisions of the chips, i.e. PIC16F876A /
PIC16F877A.
Roman
Reply by Neil●December 18, 20062006-12-18
Kyle wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been a programmer for many years (mostly higher level languages)
> but I do have some experience with 16-bit x86 assembly and the M68HC11
> microcontroller. I've decided to learn how to program PICs and I'm
> looking to sample a few from the microchip website but there are so
> many to choose from. What chip would you recommend to a beginner? I'd
> ideally like to have a few ADC inputs and DAC outputs for use
> eventually. I am trying to decide which PIC programmer to buy, and I
> want to make sure I buy something that will support my later needs.
> Will I likely use the 18F series? If you were to buy a PIC programmer
> today what is the highest chip it would need to support? Thanks for
> your time! Happy Holidays!
>
> Kyle
>
For PIC16 the PIC16F876A (28pin) or PIC16F877A The Hi-Tech PIC LITE
(Free) Version supports these. Others may disagree , But C Helps hide
the poor architecture. It is an 8 bit cpu if you "int" and "float" all
your variables it will not go well.
the PIC18F4520 (Improved PIC18F452) would be a good starting point.
The ICD2 is a great start. It programs and emulates.
Do not be confused by the selection. PIC is low end. The choice is the
same parts minus some features. Many PIC project care about a few cents
(or 1 cent) a part.
Reply by Roman●December 18, 20062006-12-18
Kyle wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been a programmer for many years (mostly higher level languages)
> but I do have some experience with 16-bit x86 assembly and the M68HC11
> microcontroller. I've decided to learn how to program PICs and I'm
> looking to sample a few from the microchip website but there are so
> many to choose from. What chip would you recommend to a beginner? I'd
> ideally like to have a few ADC inputs and DAC outputs for use
> eventually. I am trying to decide which PIC programmer to buy, and I
> want to make sure I buy something that will support my later needs.
> Will I likely use the 18F series? If you were to buy a PIC programmer
> today what is the highest chip it would need to support? Thanks for
> your time! Happy Holidays!
>
> Kyle
>
If you want to stay in HLL realm, stay away from PICs. There is few
off-shelf toolchains, but I still have to see a good conforming stable one.
Now that I warned you and you still keep reading, I am going to answer
your questions.
ADC - many Microchip micros have it. Usually 10-bit, PIC24 has 12-bit.
DAC - Microchip does not have micros with DAC. They have separate SPI
circuit(s).
Programmer - inexpensive ICD2 works with all Microchip families. PICkit2
has potential but debugger works for one model only right now.
PIC10, PIC12 - stay away for learning.
PIC16 - Get PIC16F876 (DIP28 0.3") or PIC16F877 (DIP40)
PIC18 - Best 8-bit for learning. Check parametric product selector.
PIC24 - good 16-bit micro. Coming to DIP version in 2007/Q1. I think
there is free download of C30 compiler.
Roman
--
Check-out my online store for well priced PICs and ICD2 clone.
www.dipmicro.com
Reply by Al●December 17, 20062006-12-17
In article <1166295865.460387.44880@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Kyle" <hexadecimal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been a programmer for many years (mostly higher level languages)
> but I do have some experience with 16-bit x86 assembly and the M68HC11
> microcontroller. I've decided to learn how to program PICs and I'm
> looking to sample a few from the microchip website but there are so
> many to choose from. What chip would you recommend to a beginner? I'd
> ideally like to have a few ADC inputs and DAC outputs for use
> eventually. I am trying to decide which PIC programmer to buy, and I
> want to make sure I buy something that will support my later needs.
> Will I likely use the 18F series? If you were to buy a PIC programmer
> today what is the highest chip it would need to support? Thanks for
> your time! Happy Holidays!
>
> Kyle
>
I use the IDE made by CCS, Inc. It cost about $300 and was well worth it.
http://www.ccsinfo.com/
I use it to make all kinds of gadgets. Since I am not a professional
programmer, I don't see the "limitations" that professions see. It works
for me and the PICs are inexpensive. I use 12C508A's and 12C509A' like
jelly beans. Buy a stick of then and have fun. Then move up to the more
demanding projects. I am now using 16F877A's and the like
My programmer is a PICall. It does all I need and the price is less than
$100 for a kit.
http://www.picallw.com/
Al
Reply by Fred*●December 17, 20062006-12-17
"larwe" <zwsdotcom@gmail.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
1166320887.277808.112360@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> I agree with Yuriy that PIC is a bad learning platform, although my
> recommendation would be MSP430. However note that you're not going to
> find terribly many parts with on-chip DACs; mostly this functionality
> is achieved through PWM.
>
some MSP430 have ADC and DAC..
to come back to PIC, I will begin with PIC24 soon and apart the docs still
not complete, they look good. but you also probably could begin with PIC18..
for me, I'll never go under PIC18.
and to program/debug, I think that ICD2 is the better way, but maybe buying
a clone on ebay could be an option..
the IDE is free and the C compiler is free for 60 days and transform to a
"student" version after - optimisation are disabled - but you can use it
forever..
Fred.
Reply by Don McKenzie●December 17, 20062006-12-17
Kyle wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been a programmer for many years (mostly higher level languages)
> but I do have some experience with 16-bit x86 assembly and the M68HC11
> microcontroller. I've decided to learn how to program PICs and I'm
> looking to sample a few from the microchip website but there are so
> many to choose from. What chip would you recommend to a beginner? I'd
> ideally like to have a few ADC inputs and DAC outputs for use
> eventually. I am trying to decide which PIC programmer to buy, and I
> want to make sure I buy something that will support my later needs.
> Will I likely use the 18F series? If you were to buy a PIC programmer
> today what is the highest chip it would need to support? Thanks for
> your time! Happy Holidays!
>
> Kyle
> Hello all,
>
> I've been a programmer for many years (mostly higher level languages)
> but I do have some experience with 16-bit x86 assembly and the M68HC11
> microcontroller. I've decided to learn how to program PICs and I'm
> looking to sample a few from the microchip website but there are so
> many to choose from. What chip would you recommend to a beginner? I'd
> ideally like to have a few ADC inputs and DAC outputs for use
> eventually. I am trying to decide which PIC programmer to buy, and I
> want to make sure I buy something that will support my later needs.
> Will I likely use the 18F series? If you were to buy a PIC programmer
> today what is the highest chip it would need to support? Thanks for
> your time! Happy Holidays!
>
> Kyle
Hi Kyle,
I would recommend using the ICD2 programmer from Microchip. It will
program most of their chips.
The 18 series is probably the easiest to use.
The DAC you would use PWM or a resistor network. If using PWM watch out
for phase modulation induced distortion.
Rocky